Trump Tower on fire.

[Perknose]

What about the country would you consider to be "on fire"?

We all got burnt by the Electoral College.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What does extra fire protection while present in it actually mean...do sprinklers suddenly show up? The building was constructed in the early 80's, well before sprinklers were required. Many buildings had no sprinkler systems back then. But, yeah, chalk this up as another blame Trump thingy. You're too funny. lol

I understand Trump has a lot of flaws, but some of you lot crack me up with your reaches.

Those in the building learned about the fire due to text alerts. There were no alarms. Those have been required since 1963 and must be in working order. NYC has prosecuted for murder because of failure to follow the law.

Next?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Those in the building learned about the fire due to text alerts. There were no alarms. Those have been required since 1963 and must be in working order. NYC has prosecuted for murder because of failure to follow the law.

Next?

Let’s wait until that is confirmed by more than one or two people, NYC is a lot like Boston. I’m sure any fire will trigger an audit. I’ll hold judgement until there is a professional review

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Let’s wait until that is confirmed by more than one or two people, NYC is a lot like Boston. I’m sure any fire will trigger an audit. I’ll hold judgement until there is a professional review

I would like to see that report if is public. With Trumps pull I'm not sure it will be.

 

[K1052]

Guess who fought against requiring new construction to have sprinklers when NYC was moving to it in the late 90s.

Although New York has taller towers and more high-rise residents than any other city in the nation, no sprinklers are required in apartment buildings here. Landlords and developers like Donald J. Trump have lobbied against sprinklers as unnecessary and expensive, costing up to $4 per square foot, or thousands of dollars for each apartment. New York instead has required that new construction be fire resistant.

https://nyti.ms/2HieM0f

I had not realized that NYC was so late in getting to this requirement. Chicago has required them since at least 1975, IIRC, and has even been debating making older buildings retrofit. If the alarms failed at Trump Tower that's going to be a big and possibly very expensive problem.

 

[HomerJS]

What does extra fire protection while present in it actually mean...do sprinklers suddenly show up? The building was constructed in the early 80's, well before sprinklers were required. Many buildings had no sprinkler systems back then. But, yeah, chalk this up as another blame Trump thingy. You're too funny. lol

I understand Trump has a lot of flaws, but some of you lot crack me up with your reaches.

You mean what lack of regulations gets you??

 

[sdifox]

What does extra fire protection while present in it actually mean...do sprinklers suddenly show up? The building was constructed in the early 80's, well before sprinklers were required. Many buildings had no sprinkler systems back then. But, yeah, chalk this up as another blame Trump thingy. You're too funny. lol

I understand Trump has a lot of flaws, but some of you lot crack me up with your reaches.

WTC retrofitted. In 1981. And apparently it was a requirement already then.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/1981/03/...o-get-fire-sprinklers-at-45-million-cost.html

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

WTC retrofitted. In 1981. And apparently it was a requirement already then.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/1981/03/...o-get-fire-sprinklers-at-45-million-cost.html

They weren't required and still arent for buildings of his vintage unless they have "major renovations" as defined by NYC.

Side note- The tower has 58 stories, but the top floor is labeled "68" probably because he likes to live on a higher level than he's actually capable of.

 

[sdifox]

They weren't required and still arent for buildings of his vintage unless they have "major renovations" as defined by NYC.

Side note- The tower has 58 stories, but the top floor is labeled "68" probably because he likes to live on a higher level than he's actually capable of.

Nyt article said anything over ten stories wad supposed to have sprinklers. Of course I am not an expert on these matters.

 

[Brainonska511]

They weren't required and still arent for buildings of his vintage unless they have "major renovations" as defined by NYC.

Side note- The tower has 58 stories, but the top floor is labeled "68" probably because he likes to live on a higher level than he's actually capable of.

Nyt article says anything over ten stories is supposed to have sprinklers. Of course I am not an expert on these matters.

IIRC, there are many holes in the regulations: buildings built on NYS property, Port Authority of NY & NJ property, and diplomatic properties are often exempt from NYC building codes. And then there are buildings over certain ages that were grandfathered in when regulations were finally put into force...

 

[sdifox]

IIRC, there are many holes in the regulations: buildings built on NYS property, Port Authority of NY & NJ property, and diplomatic properties are often exempt from NYC building codes. And then there are buildings over certain ages that were grandfathered in when regulations were finally put into force...

Couldn't care less about whether Trump owns the building. But more than ten floors without sprinklers is just criminal.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Couldn't care less about whether Trump owns the building. But more than ten floors without sprinklers is just criminal.

He could hire some of his favorite prostitutes to provide golden shower fire suppression for his tenants.

 

[Commodus]

This only reinforces the golden rule: if the Trump name is attached to something, there are some fundamentally bad decisions involved. I can't help but feel a bit sorry for the tenants on the upper floors... if there's ever a fire worse than this one, it'd make this most recent tragedy seem modest.

 

[Thebobo]

Guess who fought against requiring new construction to have sprinklers when NYC was moving to it in the late 90s.



https://nyti.ms/2HieM0f

I had not realized that NYC was so late in getting to this requirement. Chicago has required them since at least 1975, IIRC, and has even been debating making older buildings retrofit. If the alarms failed at Trump Tower that's going to be a big and possibly very expensive problem.

Yea same here in the DC area, Full sprinkler systems, fire pumps, pressurized stairways etc.

 

[Thebobo]

A resident died in the fire.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/07/us/trump-tower-fire/index.html

"New York (CNN)A fire broke out at Trump Tower on Saturday, leaving one man dead and six firefighters injured, the New York City Fire Department said.

Police identified the man killed as Todd Brassner, 67, a resident of the building's 50th floor. He was taken to the hospital in critical condition but later died, said spokeswoman Angelica Conroy of the Fire Department.
Brassner was unconscious and unresponsive when firefighters pulled him out, the New York Police Department said. The medical examiner's office will determine the cause of death.
The fire was contained to the 50th floor of the tower, located on Fifth Avenue in New York. It was ruled under control around 9 p.m., two hours after it was originally reported, the FDNY tweeted.


Six firefighters suffered injuries that are not life threatening, Conroy said.
No members of the Trump family were at the tower during the fire, Fire Commissioner Daniel Nigro said.
Before news of the death, President Donald Trump congratulated firefighters and tweeted that the fire was out and "very confined" in the "well built building."

 

[JSt0rm]

A resident died in the fire.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/07/us/trump-tower-fire/index.html

"New York (CNN)A fire broke out at Trump Tower on Saturday, leaving one man dead and six firefighters injured, the New York City Fire Department said.

Police identified the man killed as Todd Brassner, 67, a resident of the building's 50th floor. He was taken to the hospital in critical condition but later died, said spokeswoman Angelica Conroy of the Fire Department.
Brassner was unconscious and unresponsive when firefighters pulled him out, the New York Police Department said. The medical examiner's office will determine the cause of death.
The fire was contained to the 50th floor of the tower, located on Fifth Avenue in New York. It was ruled under control around 9 p.m., two hours after it was originally reported, the FDNY tweeted.


Six firefighters suffered injuries that are not life threatening, Conroy said.
No members of the Trump family were at the tower during the fire, Fire Commissioner Daniel Nigro said.
Before news of the death, President Donald Trump congratulated firefighters and tweeted that the fire was out and "very confined" in the "well built building."

45 million in retrofit or a 67 year old man dies a bit early.

 

[jackstar7]

And Trump says nothing about the person who died.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

45 million in retrofit or a 67 year old man dies a bit early.

Glad to see what the outer bounds of a life is worth to you.

 

[jackstar7]

Glad to see what the outer bounds of a life is worth to you.

I think you're misunderstanding who made that calculation. Hint: Person who owns the building.

 

[JSt0rm]

Glad to see what the outer bounds of a life is worth to you.

yes. I saved 45 million dollars not putting sprinklers in trump tower. AMA

 

[Fanatical Meat]

yes. I saved 45 million dollars not putting sprinklers in trump tower. AMA

#MAGA

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You mean what lack of regulations gets you??

Yes, but just think how those bank accounts grew not having to kowtow to these financially constraining rules and regulations. Jimmy got a yacht with his bonus, and if someone happened to die because of it, well, you can't make an omelet without the occasional 67 year old dying

 

[Greenman]

45 million in retrofit or a 67 year old man dies a bit early.

Where did that 45 million estimate come from?

As far as not having sprinklers goes, it all depends on the building codes in place at the time, or if the city required upgrades at a later date. Lots of old multistory buildings don't have sprinklers.

 

[JSt0rm]

Where did that 45 million estimate come from?

As far as not having sprinklers goes, it all depends on the building codes in place at the time, or if the city required upgrades at a later date. Lots of old multistory buildings don't have sprinklers.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/1981/03/...o-get-fire-sprinklers-at-45-million-cost.html

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

And Trump says nothing about the person who died.

That's his best move because sprinklers or no Trump knew or should have known this was a potential danger and it has been realized. Criminal penalties? Perhaps for the alarms, but not for the sprinklers. But that would not be the main concern. There's a huge lawsuit potential here.