Trump Supporter Arrested In Alleged Plot To Bomb Muslims

[Subyman]

Making fun of a bathroom break? How low can trump go?

 

[Indus]

He said Clinton got schlonged by Obama.

 

[Subyman]

He said Clinton got schlonged by Obama.

Classy individual. Very presidential.

 

[LegendKiller]

He said Clinton got schlonged by Obama.

How many times has anybody said he "screwed" me, or "I was screwed", or "Obama screwed her".

I mean, really. We used it all of the time. It means the same damn thing.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I think that anyone who'd lived through Ike to the present would remember how things once were. There was a standard of civility, even though history had shown breaches in it going way back.

I thought I noticed it first in the early '90s, when I saw a California Repub lambasting a Colorado Dem in Congress with name-calling.

It just got worse as the political warfare intensified.

What we say on the street, or at home, or at some rave party -- those are the places for that type of talk. And what I've seen in more recent years -- not just from Trump -- sort of pushes the limits.

Personally, I'd think a good measuring stick is as follows. Campaign behavior should be no different than you'd expect from the same person in office. And when you see the disparity, it may be time to reassess your preference or commitment.

 

[LegendKiller]

I think that anyone who'd lived through Ike to the present would remember how things once were. There was a standard of civility, even though history had shown breaches in it going way back.

I thought I noticed it first in the early '90s, when I saw a California Repub lambasting a Colorado Dem in Congress with name-calling.

It just got worse as the political warfare intensified.

What we say on the street, or at home, or at some rave party -- those are the places for that type of talk. And what I've seen in more recent years -- not just from Trump -- sort of pushes the limits.

Personally, I'd think a good measuring stick is as follows. Campaign behavior should be no different than you'd expect from the same person in office. And when you see the disparity, it may be time to reassess your preference or commitment.

That we were so much more civilized "back then", or at any point in our political process, is false.

http://www.britannica.com/biography/Rachel-Jackson

Our political process was never civilized. It has only been made to appear so by celebrity politicians. Those being every single politician we have at this point. Those forked tongue, two faced, asssholes.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

That we were so much more civilized "back then", or at any point in our political process, is false.

http://www.britannica.com/biography/Rachel-Jackson

Our political process was never civilized. It has only been made to appear so by celebrity politicians. Those being every single politician we have at this point. Those forked tongue, two faced, asssholes.

I think I acknowledged that, but I've watched media transform from three or four networks to cable. And what I remember from all those past decades was conformance to a higher degree of civility.

While one man's education is another man's propaganda, there actually is something called the Truth. And politics, with its factions and their goals and objectives, is always running through the minefield. "Who can I please, without offending somebody else?"

So what some people these days call "Lies," I have to dispute, given the context and circumstances. Or -- what some people say is "True" may not be born out by simple fact-checking.

Let me drop this bomb. I believe that seeking the Truth is more important than America itself. And I say that, because what good is America, if it isn't built on a foundation of the Truth? And I think, after some reexaminations, I've found a few bricks in the historical foundation that are simply rotten.

But that's not the issue. The issue is simply whose Lies are the biggest lies? Whose lies were simply conceived in the heat of the moment searching for some explanation? And whose Lies seem designed to support pillars of the greatest concentration of power and money?

I had one friend who said back in 2001 -- supporting W. Bush: "That Clinton -- he lied." Meaning that Clinton got his knob polished in the Oral Office by some Valley Girl who told her friends about "Presidential knee-pads" before she ever left LA. Technically, according to statute in the District of Columbia, he didn't lie. Fundamentally, from your Jerry Falwell perspective, he did.

But I don't know a man alive, engaging in some indiscretion, who wouldn't lie to his wife about it until there are no other options.

Lying about getting your knob polished in the Oral Office is pretty much the sort of lying everyone does. We're all Grand Masters of the Lie, according to Mark Twain. So the question remains: "Can I trust someone, despite their lies?"

You're never, ever going to find a candidate who fulfills the Jesus Christ standard of perfection. But after several months of watching the celebrity Liars proliferate their lies with abandon, I can also say they don't even meet the Bill Clinton standard of integrity. And frankly, the stain on Monica's dress was a pretty small stain on the integrity.

 

[Subyman]

How many times has anybody said he "screwed" me, or "I was screwed", or "Obama screwed her".

I mean, really. We used it all of the time. It means the same damn thing.

Kids also do the helicopter with their penises in the high school locker room, but I wouldn't want the presidential candidate to do the same.

 

[Darwin333]

Kids also do the helicopter with their penises in the high school locker room, but I wouldn't want the presidential candidate to do the same.

Is somebody jealous that their penis isn't long enough to do the helicopter with?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Is somebody jealous that their penis isn't long enough to do the helicopter with?

Mine has a little voice like Mr. Hanky-Poo in South Park. Lately, it's been saying "Ah jus' can't chew the leather anymore. I'm dyin'. . . . "

I need to find an illegal Mexican carpenter who can build a little pine box about 8" long.

Then, we'll need to have the "viewing" before Willie is finally put to rest.

Maybe re-animation with Viagra would help. But I'd like a visit from the Brit model in the commercial with the dimples . . . I don't even think I have the stamina at this stage to drive up to Reno and visit the Bunny Ranch . . .

 

[Subyman]

Is somebody jealous that their penis isn't long enough to do the helicopter with?

 

[MongGrel]

How many times has anybody said he "screwed" me, or "I was screwed", or "Obama screwed her".

I mean, really. We used it all of the time. It means the same damn thing.

Not something you would commonly hear from a politician in the past, but of course up until a few years ago you didn't have morons screaming "Liar" like an idiot in congress either like a 12 year old on a playground.

That we were so much more civilized "back then", or at any point in our political process, is false.

http://www.britannica.com/biography/Rachel-Jackson

Our political process was never civilized. It has only been made to appear so by celebrity politicians. Those being every single politician we have at this point. Those forked tongue, two faced, asssholes.

I guess loud mouthed "Reality TV" celebrity politicians can do that.

Maybe he can get Paris Hilton for a running mate later.

Just what I want for a POTUS.

 

[buckshot24]

I think I acknowledged that, but I've watched media transform from three or four networks to cable. And what I remember from all those past decades was conformance to a higher degree of civility.

While one man's education is another man's propaganda, there actually is something called the Truth. And politics, with its factions and their goals and objectives, is always running through the minefield. "Who can I please, without offending somebody else?"

So what some people these days call "Lies," I have to dispute, given the context and circumstances. Or -- what some people say is "True" may not be born out by simple fact-checking.

Let me drop this bomb. I believe that seeking the Truth is more important than America itself. And I say that, because what good is America, if it isn't built on a foundation of the Truth? And I think, after some reexaminations, I've found a few bricks in the historical foundation that are simply rotten.

But that's not the issue. The issue is simply whose Lies are the biggest lies? Whose lies were simply conceived in the heat of the moment searching for some explanation? And whose Lies seem designed to support pillars of the greatest concentration of power and money?

I had one friend who said back in 2001 -- supporting W. Bush: "That Clinton -- he lied." Meaning that Clinton got his knob polished in the Oral Office by some Valley Girl who told her friends about "Presidential knee-pads" before she ever left LA. Technically, according to statute in the District of Columbia, he didn't lie. Fundamentally, from your Jerry Falwell perspective, he did.

But I don't know a man alive, engaging in some indiscretion, who wouldn't lie to his wife about it until there are no other options.

Lying about getting your knob polished in the Oral Office is pretty much the sort of lying everyone does. We're all Grand Masters of the Lie, according to Mark Twain. So the question remains: "Can I trust someone, despite their lies?"

You're never, ever going to find a candidate who fulfills the Jesus Christ standard of perfection. But after several months of watching the celebrity Liars proliferate their lies with abandon, I can also say they don't even meet the Bill Clinton standard of integrity. And frankly, the stain on Monica's dress was a pretty small stain on the integrity.

Somebody likes to write.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Somebody likes to write.

I want to know who originated those school e-mail hoaxes.

It's one thing to just go over the edge, get your chemicals and detonators, and build a bomb to blow up a mosque. That's the kind of threat candidate-Clinton tried to explain: inflammatory statements inspiring nutcases.

It's another thing to perpetrate a terror-hoax directed at parents of school-children -- the "target audience," with an intention of scaring someone into changing their votes.

Interesting, don't you think? The thread about the LAUSD scare had a lot of posts, but died quickly.

 

[jackstar7]

How many times has anybody said he "screwed" me, or "I was screwed", or "Obama screwed her".

I mean, really. We used it all of the time. It means the same damn thing.

You're defending him on this?

Can he do no wrong in your eyes?

 

[jackstar7]

Interesting, don't you think?

You just asked Buckshot if he thinks... c'mon, man.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Am I the only one uncomfortable about imputing any motivation in the absence of further information? "Dinging" a candidate for the actions of their supporters somehow doesn't seem right - unless and until more information is to hand about exactly why he did this. Of course - Trump's demagogue-ish way he is running this is bringing this this sort of whacko out of the woodwork. However - the mere fact that he is a Trump supporter, without further info, seems kinda...I dunno, wrong, to make the jump that appears to have been made in the OP.. (i.e that it's Trump's fault or that the guy took encouragement from Trump).

his statement regarding Hillary Clinton taking a restroom break...

" I know where she went. It's disgusting. I don't want to talk about it, it's disgusting".

Obviously She was taking a leak, or a dump. Psst, Donald...whatever disgusting thing that Hillary did during that break? Your trophy immigrant wife Melania does it, too, on a regular basis. More red meat for the rubes.

According to Urban Dictionary

schlonged: To be cockslapped by a man with a large penis. Does he mean beaten like the bitch she is, and beaten by a black man, no less?. At the beginning of that primary process, everyone thought HRC was a shoe-in. As they do today. Or...is he trying to say that Big Bad Black Obama literally whacked Clinton with his black man cock, which is why she lost? Or is he going for an alternate meaning of "beaten badly"?

 

[Jebeelzabub]

That we were so much more civilized "back then", or at any point in our political process, is false.

http://www.britannica.com/biography/Rachel-Jackson

Our political process was never civilized. It has only been made to appear so by celebrity politicians. Those being every single politician we have at this point. Those forked tongue, two faced, asssholes.

As you can see from my post count, I'm a lurker. I've been reading this particular forum pretty much every day for close to ten years. I know all the usuals in this place, and have a decent idea of where everyone sits on the political spectrum.

I used to really enjoy your posts. You struck me as a Republican who made sense. You're obviously a well educated guy, and from what I've seen, you know your shit regarding finance and economic issues. Many of your posts were thought-provoking, and you didn't hesitate to call out Republicans when you disagreed with them.

With all that said, I have to ask the question that numerous long time posters already have: What happened to you????

I remember being puzzled, starting a year or two ago, that your tone had changed. You started supporting positions that seemed so radically different from your previous posting history that I initially thought that someone must have taken over your account.

Seriously, what happened to you? I've never seen someone so completely change their posts, in both style and content.

 

[ivwshane]

He's not alone, other posters have made the same change, take fern for example, he used to be pretty level headed, his posts were factual, and then within the last year he made a similar change in posting style and in positions as has lk. Bobberfet is another one.

I've also seen a similar change on another board I used to frequent. All with the same MO, older, white, male, and they all just kind of snapped. I know one of them used to do a lot of drugs when they were young (heavier type stuff), I wonder if that's the same with the others.

As you can see from my post count, I'm a lurker. I've been reading this particular forum pretty much every day for close to ten years. I know all the usuals in this place, and have a decent idea of where everyone sits on the political spectrum.

I used to really enjoy your posts. You struck me as a Republican who made sense. You're obviously a well educated guy, and from what I've seen, you know your shit regarding finance and economic issues. Many of your posts were thought-provoking, and you didn't hesitate to call out Republicans when you disagreed with them.

With all that said, I have to ask the question that numerous long time posters already have: What happened to you????

I remember being puzzled, starting a year or two ago, that your tone had changed. You started supporting positions that seemed so radically different from your previous posting history that I initially thought that someone must have taken over your account.

Seriously, what happened to you? I've never seen someone so completely change their posts, in both style and content.

 

[LegendKiller]

As you can see from my post count, I'm a lurker. I've been reading this particular forum pretty much every day for close to ten years. I know all the usuals in this place, and have a decent idea of where everyone sits on the political spectrum.

I used to really enjoy your posts. You struck me as a Republican who made sense. You're obviously a well educated guy, and from what I've seen, you know your shit regarding finance and economic issues. Many of your posts were thought-provoking, and you didn't hesitate to call out Republicans when you disagreed with them.

With all that said, I have to ask the question that numerous long time posters already have: What happened to you????

I remember being puzzled, starting a year or two ago, that your tone had changed. You started supporting positions that seemed so radically different from your previous posting history that I initially thought that someone must have taken over your account.

Seriously, what happened to you? I've never seen someone so completely change their posts, in both style and content.

Dunno, probably just your perception of what I was since i seemed to champion left leaning causes but never opined on some of the other ones.

I am still for higher taxes to the ultra wealthy, not to collect them, but to discourage ridiculous pay from public companies

Still for protectionist policies regarding labor, especially with regards to countries that have their currency pegged to the USD at a low rate to create arbitrage

Still against H1B abuse

Still for breaking up all of the big banks

Still for abortion and gay rights, as long as it isn't thrown into my (or my kids) face

Still for single payer healthcare

Still for keeping the military at its current size or even shrinking it a bit

I haven't changed my ideas on illegal immigration, close up the border and ship them home, whether freely or forcefully. Do this by imposing a $50k/worker/day fine. Verify through existing IRS systems and other existing modes.

I haven't changed my ideas on refugee resettlement. People can come in, as long as we can vet them properly and reject anybody who even has a hint of radicalism.

I haven't changed on my thoughts that this system is ridiculous as it currently stands (free speech as money). It is why I voted Ventura when I was in college.

I have never liked Hitlery and never understood the infatuation with Billy Bob. He wrought plenty of damage, especially on the financial regulation side.

Massively against Super PACs, mainly because it brings us politicians that are bought and paid for by the .01%.

On the flip side, massively against somebody like Bern because he'll just give everything to everybody.

What has changed?

I voted for Obama twice, hoping that he would be a breath of fresh air. However, what has happened is nothing but race baiting, continuation of shitty Bush policies, poor negotiation of treaties (Iran, TPP), supporting ridiculous "regime change" all over the ME, to disastrous ends, not supporting the Ukraine more (not because the Ukraine needs it, but because we had a treaty obligation and we must support allies or those who would act against us feel emboldened and our other allies weakened by our inaction - see China / Japan, and the whole South China Sea). His economy isn't that great and now he is deriding blue collar workers more.

As far as this Trump thing, I don't really care. We have covered reality up with a thin veneer of nicety that hides the ugly truth. That we are all vulgarians. We always have been. However, some people want to hide it more than others, merely to curry favor. People give Hillary a free pass on her vulgarian past, mainly because it suits their political agenda.

 

[ivwshane]

How many of the things you support do you think trump supports? Can you point to written policy statements by trump to back it up?

Dunno, probably just your perception of what I was since i seemed to champion left leaning causes but never opined on some of the other ones.

I am still for higher taxes to the ultra wealthy, not to collect them, but to discourage ridiculous pay from public companies

Still for protectionist policies regarding labor, especially with regards to countries that have their currency pegged to the USD at a low rate to create arbitrage

Still against H1B abuse

Still for breaking up all of the big banks

Still for abortion and gay rights, as long as it isn't thrown into my (or my kids) face

Still for single payer healthcare

Still for keeping the military at its current size or even shrinking it a bit

I haven't changed my ideas on illegal immigration, close up the border and ship them home, whether freely or forcefully. Do this by imposing a $50k/worker/day fine. Verify through existing IRS systems and other existing modes.

I haven't changed my ideas on refugee resettlement. People can come in, as long as we can vet them properly and reject anybody who even has a hint of radicalism.

I haven't changed on my thoughts that this system is ridiculous as it currently stands (free speech as money). It is why I voted Ventura when I was in college.

I have never liked Hitlery and never understood the infatuation with Billy Bob. He wrought plenty of damage, especially on the financial regulation side.

Massively against Super PACs, mainly because it brings us politicians that are bought and paid for by the .01%.

On the flip side, massively against somebody like Bern because he'll just give everything to everybody.

What has changed?

I voted for Obama twice, hoping that he would be a breath of fresh air. However, what has happened is nothing but race baiting, continuation of shitty Bush policies, poor negotiation of treaties (Iran, TPP), supporting ridiculous "regime change" all over the ME, to disastrous ends, not supporting the Ukraine more (not because the Ukraine needs it, but because we had a treaty obligation and we must support allies or those who would act against us feel emboldened and our other allies weakened by our inaction - see China / Japan, and the whole South China Sea). His economy isn't that great and now he is deriding blue collar workers more.

As far as this Trump thing, I don't really care. We have covered reality up with a thin veneer of nicety that hides the ugly truth. That we are all vulgarians. We always have been. However, some people want to hide it more than others, merely to curry favor. People give Hillary a free pass on her vulgarian past, mainly because it suits their political agenda.

 

[LegendKiller]

He's not alone, other posters have made the same change, take fern for example, he used to be pretty level headed, his posts were factual, and then within the last year he made a similar change in posting style and in positions as has lk. Bobberfet is another one.

I've also seen a similar change on another board I used to frequent. All with the same MO, older, white, male, and they all just kind of snapped. I know one of them used to do a lot of drugs when they were young (heavier type stuff), I wonder if that's the same with the others.

lol - yeah, it's drugs...

I've never even smoked a cigarette in my life. Let alone "drugs".

Older? I have 3 kids under 5. Hardly "older".

No, what has happened is that your party is a joke, just like the R party is a joke. Look at CISA, clearly a uber-shitty piece of legislation, but yet both parties slammed it in. Why? Because they don't give a fuck about you.

But hey, keep rooting for "your team". It's getting you really far.

 

[LegendKiller]

How many of the things you support do you think trump supports? Can you point to written policy statements by trump to back it up?

How many of them do any candidates support?

 

[Indus]

But hey, keep rooting for "your team". It's getting you really far.

There's a reason why after each Democratic and Republican Debate the person who gets the most twitter followers and donations is Bernie Sanders.

Maybe just maybe the country sees the "team" is not really playing for the country but the elites. However I'd much rather have Bernie giving something to all Americans vs the team giving something to everyone overseas and not to us.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

He's not alone, other posters have made the same change, take fern for example, he used to be pretty level headed, his posts were factual, and then within the last year he made a similar change in posting style and positions as has lk. Bobberfet is another one.

I've also seen a similar change on another board I used to frequent. All with the same MO, older, white, male, and they all just kind of snapped. I know one of them used to do a lot of drugs when they were young (heavier type stuff), I wonder if that's the same with the others.

Some people need to step back and look at both themselves and their sources of information. And -- furchrissake -- read some scholarly texts on propaganda and psy-war.

We're awash in a sea of propaganda. Propaganda can perpetuate a myth through repetition: for instance, using a cliché like "Liberal Media" or "Lamestream media."

Jacques Ellul had noted that the reason "it works" lies in some fundamentals.

"I'm a smart person."
"I'm an individual -- not part of some average."
"I can tell when I'm being lied to, and I don't let media influence my perceptions or beliefs."
"There can't be propaganda in a pluralistic media."

I had read that book "Propaganda" some 13 years ago. Then just a few years back, Glenn Beck gets on FOX to provide lectures about propaganda.

What was the basis of his argument? He completely turned it all around. His viewers were "smart." They were "individuals and not part of some average." etc. So he concludes that they "can't be deceived by Liberal Media."

If his deception was real or effective, it says something about his audience.

I could see all this coming back in '08. December of that year, somebody wrote to my newspaper noting that the stock market took a big dive on one particular day -- therefore, Obama caused it. I heard from another guy that he lost his job -- in the summer of '08 -- because of Obama. Then two months or so into the presidency, Boehner stands up and says "Where are the jobs? Where are the jobs?" After that, Breitbart-ACORN, Breitbart-Sherrod, and eventually all that followed.

So two more principles:

Josef Goebbels: The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it.

And -- repeat something often enough, and people will believe it.

My spirits were bolstered the other day when I went into the 99-cent store and spoke with the cashier as I was going through the line -- a 20-ish-something Latino gal. I was talking about the possible origins of the school-terror-hoaxes. She had it all figured out, anyway. I hardly had to say a word.

As I left, I thought "If I were still teaching, she'd get an A for the day."