Trump seems to be getting ever-more fascistic

[nakedfrog]

Is OP even American?

Feels like a huge disconnect between what the electorate really cares about and whatever this guy is obsessed with.

OP on this thread was actually pmv, who isn't American, but you're talking about GettyRoad I'm pretty sure

 

[Moonbeam]

Which of Uncle Sam's global regime change worked out?

Well there was the Marshall Plan and Deming with Japan.

 

[pmv]

Trump is as racist as the day is long. His entire history shows it. His current rhetoric and policies show it. Anyone saying otherwise is either a moron or a troll or both, and not worth engaging with.

Trump's racism seems infinitely simpler and more obvious than that of our lot. He's always been pretty clear that he thinks white Europeans are a superior race. He's just a very straightforward racist. Nice and simple, at least.

With Sunak and Braverman and Pritti Patel and the rest of our multi-ethnic-yet-ferociously-xenophobic leadership it seems it's a complicated mix of racism and plutocracy - it's only _poor_ foreigners, and persons of colour, that they appear to dislike.

My tentative theory is that they feel personally _embarrassed_ by the existence of _poor_ non-white people, as if they fear being associated with them. The insanely high £40k threshold for bringing a spouse into the country seems to exemplify that - seems to make it clear they want the country to be exclusively for the rich.

Plus there's something complicated going on, particularly with South Asian migrants who came here via Africa, as the British Empire used them all over the empire as a useful administrator and business class (as actual white Englishmen tended to swiftly keel over with malaria).

It seems partly like the revenge of the British Empire (the Empire strikes back!), in that the same colonial bourgeois class who helped keep the natives down on behalf of the Imperial elites, are now employed to perform the same role with respect to domestic UK politics (including having authority over even white people, if they aren't rich) as they used to have overseas.

The US right seems to have gone for a much simpler model - just put an openly white supremacist white guy in charge.

As far as Ukraine goes...yeah, why should America get involved when a dictator starts invading neighbors in the name of sovereign security....we never should have gone over to Europe in WWII for instance. We should mind our own business! /s All the old school Conservatives are rolling in their graves at the thought of letting Putin's Russia getting a free hand by the USA, and specifically by the GOP, when once the USSR was the big enemy. Guess what Putin would like back... My how things change.

Though the US was far from of one mind in 1939-1940 also. There is that alleged Churchill quote "Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing…after they have exhausted all other possibilities.". The US sometimes finds itself on the right side by accident.

(Typically, when I look into it, it seems it's unclear who really said it, and it probably wasn't actually Churchill - seems as if that's _always_ how it turns out with clever quotes)

 

[sdifox]

Well there was the Marshall Plan and Deming with Japan.

Japan still has an emperor... Marshall plan didn't change any regime. Do you even know your own argument?

 

[Moonbeam]

Japan still has an emperor... Marshall plan didn't change any regime. Do you even know your own argument?

I just reread what I posted and noticed that somehow a part of my original post is missing and must have somehow got deleted. I had meant to say, instead of, "I would favor, instead, overthrowing governments south of the border that", I had originally added:

I would favor, instead, overthrowing governments south of the border that do not serve the needs of their people.

Implicit in the notion that the needs of the people include such things as liberty equality and universal human rights being real and actual values in contradistinction to what is happening all over the world that is also driving mass migrations of people trying to escape misery. All of these problems are solvable, in my opinion, with the right kind of government. Having destroyed in a world war the nations of Germany and Japan, the US was instrumental in establishing better government in each. Nations that produce mass migration to escape misery they create are in my opinion, in violation of human rights and should be forcefully replaced. While I share your skepticism regarding the wisdom our nation possesses today and the dangers of a military industrial complex, I believe the spirit of enlightenment reflected in our founding documents still have applicability and resonance for modern time. We suffer a crisis of will, apathy and indifference, even a sense of futility and hopelessness, all the result of self hate.

 

[APU_Fusion]

It doesn't matter to them but it does matter to me because in the logical practical world I live in, even one of Trump's blatant racist remarks, or the numerous charges levied against him, or his WTF? admissions of malfeasance etc. would have ruined his chances of his once again seeking the shelter from prosecution via retaking the White House if the Republicans were honest and able to own up to the actual realities of how Trump is, as you say, all about himself. It's as if every one of Trump's minions see themselves through him and take every reaction to his criminal behavior on a deeply personal level. He is they and they are him. Thus they can't blame him for his crimes because in their addled minds they'd be blaming themselves and no simp hooked on his "telling things it like it is" would do that.

His narcissism and his ability to constantly lie without remorse in order to make up for the many crippling personality disorders that's gotten him into so much legal trouble and yet have his cult following of millions remain perplexingly loyal to him is literally a lifetime's worth of work for any psychoanalyst willing to take on that task.

I once was puzzled why the average German bought into Hitler and was willing to perform atrocities. Now, I know. Today’s average Republican is a wannabe Brownshirt.

 

[APU_Fusion]

Japan still has an emperor... Marshall plan didn't change any regime. Do you even know your own argument?

He doesn’t. He spews illiterate pseudo-intellectual and philosophical mumbo jumbo than spanks the money fantastic fantasizing about his great genius.

 

[woolfe9998]

Japan still has an emperor... Marshall plan didn't change any regime. Do you even know your own argument?

Japan's emperor is a figurehead. Japan adopted a democratic Constitution in 1947.

 

[sdifox]

Japan's emperor is a figurehead. Japan adopted a democratic Constitution in 1947.

Yeah, but moonie's argument was not about WWII type scenario. Japanese emperor had no power in feudal times either. It was the shoguns that had the power. Even during Imperial Japan time, it was the army that had the power.

 

[sdifox]

I just reread what I posted and noticed that somehow a part of my original post is missing and must have somehow got deleted. I had meant to say, instead of, "I would favor, instead, overthrowing governments south of the border that", I had originally added:

I would favor, instead, overthrowing governments south of the border that do not serve the needs of their people.

Implicit in the notion that the needs of the people include such things as liberty equality and universal human rights being real and actual values in contradistinction to what is happening all over the world that is also driving mass migrations of people trying to escape misery. All of these problems are solvable, in my opinion, with the right kind of government. Having destroyed in a world war the nations of Germany and Japan, the US was instrumental in establishing better government in each. Nations that produce mass migration to escape misery they create are in my opinion, in violation of human rights and should be forcefully replaced. While I share your skepticism regarding the wisdom our nation possesses today and the dangers of a military industrial complex, I believe the spirit of enlightenment reflected in our founding documents still have applicability and resonance for modern time. We suffer a crisis of will, apathy and indifference, even a sense of futility and hopelessness, all the result of self hate.

Afghanis would like a word with you.

 

[Moonbeam]

He doesn’t. He spews illiterate pseudo-intellectual and philosophical mumbo jumbo than spanks the money fantastic fantasizing about his great genius.

Right, and what once puzzled you has been obvious to me since probably before you were born. The tendency to lean into authoritarianism is evident in how you try to demonize me. When it comes to self awareness of the arrogant asshole that speaks through your posts, you are no different at all than the average German you also don’t understand. The Nazi within you is obvious to anyone with the eyes to see.

Try not to feel so inferior. Any need you project on me that I could gain some ego gratification from being superior to you would be worth absolutely nothing. Most people could do that in their sleep.

 

[APU_Fusion]

Japan's emperor is a figurehead. Japan adopted a democratic Constitution in 1947.

I would argue the emperor was really a figurehead long before that at least where the Japanese military leadership was concerned.

edit, ninja’d by sdifox 😁

 

[Moonbeam]

Afghanis would like a word with you.

I covered that point. You are a sloppy thinker and probably because rather than reading charitably what I post, you are looking for an argument.

 

[Moonbeam]

I would argue the emperor was really a figurehead long before that at least where the Japanese military leadership was concerned.

edit, ninja’d by sdifox 😁

And if not before the war, then certainly after it.

 

[woolfe9998]

Yeah, but moonie's argument was not about WWII type scenario. Japanese emperor had no power in feudal times either. It was the shoguns that had the power. Even during Imperial Japan time, it was the army that had the power.

It's more accurate to say that the Japanese government was divided into a civilian and military wing. They had a dotted line relationship, with neither having formal power over the other. The emperor had no formal political power, but was worshipped by the Japanese people. When the military and civilian branches disagreed, they went to the emperor as mediator.

The attack on Pearl Harbor was the military's idea, and they convinced the emperor and some of the civilian government to go along. Later, after we dropped the atomic bombs, the military did not want to surrender and was willing to see the total destruction of Japan. The civilian government wanted to surrender. Hirohito sided with the civilians, and hence the war came to an end. The military had to comply, because Hirohito could at any time go on the radio and address the nation. They knew he would have total support from the people so they had no choice. Hence, he had real power that the modern British monarchs don't have. He just chose to rarely exercise it.

 

[BoomerD]

The American voter supports aid to Ukraine, and rightly so. The US benefits from peace in Europe and unfortunately the only way to get it is through the destruction of the Russian army as Russia won’t stop with just Ukraine.

You agree that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is wrong and Russia (and especially Putin) should be held accountable, right?

I disagree on the part where you say

The American voter supports aid to Ukraine

There are a shit-ton of people who do NOT agree with this...at least not this long-term. Helping them out when the invasion first happened...sure, but after a year, people are seeing Ukraine as a stinking money pit where Russia is attacking what's more or less a Russian state. (former USSR republic) Not only the right-wing is against sending billions and billions to Ukraine...a lot of Democrats are against it as well. Also, there are a shit-ton of people who are against supporting EITHER side in the Israel/Hamas/Gaza war. Fuck it...let them fight it out. (to me, the only possible issue is Iraq or even Russia getting involved. THAT could be disastrous.)

I'm fckn tired of propping up other countries with US tax dollars.

 

[fskimospy]

I disagree on the part where you say


There are a shit-ton of people who do NOT agree with this...at least not this long-term. Helping them out when the invasion first happened...sure, but after a year, people are seeing Ukraine as a stinking money pit where Russia is attacking what's more or less a Russian state. (former USSR republic) Not only the right-wing is against sending billions and billions to Ukraine...a lot of Democrats are against it as well. Also, there are a shit-ton of people who are against supporting EITHER side in the Israel/Hamas/Gaza war. Fuck it...let them fight it out. (to me, the only possible issue is Iraq or even Russia getting involved. THAT could be disastrous.)

I'm fckn tired of propping up other countries with US tax dollars.

It’s about 60-40 in favor so you’re on the losing side there.

Also a very large portion of the money is either tag value of equipment we were going to scrap anyway or it’s money spent within the US.

Ukraine is not a Russian state and even during the USSR was recognized by Russia as its own state. We are also demolishing Russia’s army for a pittance and with no US lives at risk. It’s just a huge win for the US in all respects.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Miss Linsey says why care about words?

Graham on Trump's migrant remarks: "I could care less"​

Axios|2 days ago
"The president has a way of talking sometimes I disagree with," he said of Trump. "But he actually delivered on the border. People are looking for results. If the only thing you want to talk about on immigration is the way Donald Trump talks, you're missing a lot."


Yo, Bub, who's the President today?

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Bama Tommy says The Donf didn't go far enough.

Tuberville on Trump's 'poisoning the blood of our ... - The Hill​

TodaySen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) said he was "mad" former President Trump "wasn't tougher" in recent comments he made about migrants "poisoning the blood of our country." "I'm mad he wasn't tougher...

 

[feralkid]

It’s about 60-40 in favor so you’re on the losing side there.

Also a very large portion of the money is either tag value of equipment we were going to scrap anyway or it’s money spent within the US.

Ukraine is not a Russian state and even during the USSR was recognized by Russia as its own state. We are also demolishing Russia’s army for a pittance and with no US lives at risk. It’s just a huge win for the US in all respects.

Thank you!

I don't know how many times some people need to hear this before it penetrates their thick skulls, but keep on, and Godspeed!

 

[brycejones]

I disagree on the part where you say


There are a shit-ton of people who do NOT agree with this...at least not this long-term. Helping them out when the invasion first happened...sure, but after a year, people are seeing Ukraine as a stinking money pit where Russia is attacking what's more or less a Russian state. (former USSR republic) Not only the right-wing is against sending billions and billions to Ukraine...a lot of Democrats are against it as well. Also, there are a shit-ton of people who are against supporting EITHER side in the Israel/Hamas/Gaza war. Fuck it...let them fight it out. (to me, the only possible issue is Iraq or even Russia getting involved. THAT could be disastrous.)

I'm fckn tired of propping up other countries with US tax dollars.

Good news! We're shipping Ukraine stuff our military would be scrapping! The US taxpayer is getting value for it's investment in weapons decades ago instead of spending yet more money to dispose of old weapons.

Surely with this new info your position is changed?

 

[sdifox]

I covered that point. You are a sloppy thinker and probably because rather than reading charitably what I post, you are looking for an argument.

US citizens don't even get equal democracy. Stop trying to bring democracy to other places until you fix your own issues.

In case you were not aware, USA screwed over a few democracies.

United States involvement in regime change - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[GettyRoad]

To be honest....... if Getty Road is from NYC, then things are a whole lot different here. Majority of people on reddit regardless if they are Democrats, Republicans, or Independents actually hate Adams's ineptness in this immigration crisis. In fact, there have been news articles left and right stating Adams's poor performance, plus the Biden's response to the war in Gaza, plus Biden's age could actually make Biden perform more worst than Clinton did in NY back in 2016. We all know how Hochul performed in 2022, she barely won.

Trump or whoever the GOP nominee is will get more than 40% of the vote in NY for the first time since Bush 2004.....41%-43%.........

 

[fskimospy]

Trump or whoever the GOP nominee is will get more than 40% of the vote in NY for the first time since Bush 2004.....41%-43%.........

Who cares?

 

[alien42]

Trump or whoever the GOP nominee is will get more than 40% of the vote in NY for the first time since Bush 2004.....41%-43%.........

Quioted for the future.

 

[fskimospy]

Quioted for the future.

‘Trump will only lose by 20 points’ is such a stupid thing to talk about.