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Trump reportedly off the hook with Mueller

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Far from off the hook. This strikes me as more of a play by Mueller to further embolden Dump to undertake his own defense. And it will probably work.

Please crow all you can about this Dump, use that bigly best brain of yours and set the record straight. Show these lawyers you have the best words. 🙂
 
fskimospy said:
That’s not what was said at all. Misleading thread title should be changed. There is nothing in the article that says Trump was a criminal target at one point but no longer is, just that he is not currently. From your own article this could be for many reasons, from that Mueller is attempting to bait Trump into giving an interview to the idea that Mueller thinks Trump has committed a number of crimes but a sitting president can’t be indicted.
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Well Mueller did nail several people already. I would assume that if Mueller had a smoking gun on Trump, Trump would be indicted already. I think you may be setting yourself up for disappointment.
 
brycejones said:
Do they have to special order straps to fit Trump?
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Their are no straps on a lie detector; perhaps you were thinking of the electric chair?

Or was it the electric pens?

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bshole said:
Well Mueller did nail several people already. I would assume that if Mueller had a smoking gun on Trump, Trump would be indicted already. I think you may be setting yourself up for disappointment.
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Almost certainly not. If he was going to indict Trump he would be absolutely the LAST person indicted as he's likely connected to everything and Mueller would want the case against him to be as strong as humanly possible.

Trump will likely never be indicted regardless of how many crimes Mueller uncovers because it's quite likely that the president can't be indicted. In the end the most likely answer is that Mueller will submit a report detailing criminal behavior to the DOJ/Congress and let them decide what to do with it.
 
Mueller is tying to position himself to minimize the fallout of the Dem's attempt to remove Trump from office. Those top DOJ Obama era officials are going to start turning on CYA mode once the investigations into the DOJ and FBI begins.
 
bshole said:
Well Mueller did nail several people already. I would assume that if Mueller had a smoking gun on Trump, Trump would be indicted already. I think you may be setting yourself up for disappointment.
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I think if you were to say that to Mueller, his reply would involve something about how when you assume, it makes an ass of u and me.

Congressional republican respect for the law and duty of office is currently extremely subjective. Give Mueller some credit, he has to be strategic in what he does. When you aim for the king, you don't hurry and you don't miss.
 
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There is a microscopic line between Subject and Target. One that involves an impending indictment usually. Since DoJ official policy is a sitting POTUS can't be indicted (as of now), this distinction means nothing in the context of this investigation. There is no real comfort to be had here for tRUmp. He and his supporters will likely see it as a "See, no collusion" moment, when it reality it's likely Mueller and his team baiting him to interview.

The big news is that a report is coming. One that will not be well received by MAGA bots.
 
brandonbull said:
Mueller is tying to position himself to minimize the fallout of the Dem's attempt to remove Trump from office. Those top DOJ Obama era officials are going to start turning on CYA mode once the investigations into the DOJ and FBI begins.
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Interesting how the Democrats' attempt to remove Trump from office was implemented by a bunch of lifelong Republicans. Let me guess, they are SECRET DEMOCRATS.
 
brandonbull said:
Mueller is tying to position himself to minimize the fallout of the Dem's attempt to remove Trump from office. Those top DOJ Obama era officials are going to start turning on CYA mode once the investigations into the DOJ and FBI begins.
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In case you can't count, Dems don't have the power to remove Trump from office.
 
brandonbull said:
Mueller is tying to position himself to minimize the fallout of the Dem's attempt to remove Trump from office. Those top DOJ Obama era officials are going to start turning on CYA mode once the investigations into the DOJ and FBI begins.
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This is your brain on bath salts.
 
fskimospy said:
Interesting how the Democrats' attempt to remove Trump from office was implemented by a bunch of lifelong Republicans. Let me guess, they are SECRET DEMOCRATS.
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Yeah..I've never understood that argument.....The Dems are doing this!!!

The Democrats, a party in Congress with no current real power, cannot nominate nor appoint anyone to any post, start or do anything-such as an investigation or bring a Bill to the floor-in Congress, those same powerless Dems somehow got a special counsel appointed, got Sessions to recuse himself, got a host of Cabinet officials fired.

My, those Dems must be using magic. Only explanation for this!!!
 
VRAMdemon said:
Mueller told Trump's attorneys that Trump was continuing to be a "subject of investigation" but was not a "target".

Mueller also is reported as wanting to file a report on the obstruction topic, with separate reports on other topics, with Rosenstein soon, but must interview Trump first as a "last step". Reports to Rosenstein are confidential but this article says Meuller wants the report to "answer the public's questions.
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I'm interested to see if Rosenstein will permit it. Unlikely.
 
Meghan54 said:
Yeah..I've never understood that argument.....The Dems are doing this!!!

The Democrats, a party in Congress with no current real power, cannot nominate nor appoint anyone to any post, start or do anything-such as an investigation or bring a Bill to the floor-in Congress, those same powerless Dems somehow got a special counsel appointed, got Sessions to recuse himself, got a host of Cabinet officials fired.

My, those Dems must be using magic. Only explanation for this!!!
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The alternative is accepting that the investigation is real and that Trump and his associates have likely engaged in significant criminal activity. They aren't psychologically capable of that so they rely on ever more fanciful arguments as to why that can't be true. Even if Mueller comes back with ironclad evidence of guilt they likely won't believe it.
 
Younigue said:
I'm interested to see if Rosenstein will permit it. Unlikely.
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I am certain that Rosenstein will issue some sort of report at the end of all this, assuming he hasn't been fired by that point. Burying the report would be politically impossible. The real question is how redacted it is.
 
bshole said:
Well Mueller did nail several people already. I would assume that if Mueller had a smoking gun on Trump, Trump would be indicted already. I think you may be setting yourself up for disappointment.
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I don't think so. I think Mueller is thinking 50 steps ahead and using proven strategies to not just get Trump but to nail him against the wall. I believe Mueller is timing his every move with precision and calculated strategy.
 
This information has to be coming from Trump's attorneys. Not to say that the reporting is inaccurate, but I'd take his attorneys characterization of the Mueller discussions with a grain of salt.
 
Meghan54 said:
Yeah..I've never understood that argument.....The Dems are doing this!!!

The Democrats, a party in Congress with no current real power, cannot nominate nor appoint anyone to any post, start or do anything-such as an investigation or bring a Bill to the floor-in Congress, those same powerless Dems somehow got a special counsel appointed, got Sessions to recuse himself, got a host of Cabinet officials fired.

My, those Dems must be using magic. Only explanation for this!!!
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wait... Witches hunting witches?
 
It's going to be up to the Democrats to get Trump out of office once Mueller's report hits their desks because as we've all been witness to ever since Mueller got involved, the Repubs have been using every dirty scheme, scam and trick they can come up with to get Mueller, his team and the FBI discredited into the dirt and then stomped on for good effect.

The Repub's efforts in this regard aren't going to stop when Mueller issues their report to them. If anything, their efforts are going to increase to the level commensurate with and probably more than Trump's own notorious habit of conjuring unbelievablly silly crisis after crisis out of thin air.

For the simple fact that Trump, his family and their surrogates have been caught lying time after time after time in their efforts to hide their connections with the Russians is more than enough proof that there is dirt on their palms that can't ever be washed off. It's just common logic that this dirt is going to be exposed one way or another from Mueller's dogged search efforts in this regard.

It seems to me the infamous Trump style of ignorantly applied hubris in such large doses infected everyone they hired into their inner circle and it's now coming back around to haunt their every waking moment. That they are being pursued by an expert investigator and his team is to me, pure justice being meted out equal to the arrogance the Trump team have operated under since starting their efforts to "build that wall" and "drain that swamp" and "bringing jobs back" and "defeating the deep state" and "jailing Hillary" ad nauseum.
 
Younigue said:
I don't think so. I think Mueller is thinking 50 steps ahead and using proven strategies to not just get Trump but to nail him against the wall. I believe Mueller is timing his every move with precision and calculated strategy.
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When you do you think he will nail Trump? 3-6 months? 1-2 years? I would assume that it has to be done within the next 2.5 years which is when his term ends.
 
To me, the Mueller investigation was never about "nailing Trump" - if that happened to be the end game, so be it. To me it was about investigating the affects of outside involvement on our elections and who on the inside was involved/aware in ANY capacity. I think thus far, in regards to those goals, the investigation has been a success and I have a feeling we will see more of this success with more people being indicted/accused of wrong doings.

I've never been into the gas lighting of "Trump is colluding!" I certainly think there has been wrong doings by many individuals in regards to how the Russians have been handled and dealt with, but I don't believe that Trump and company have done some official "collusion" with Russian to get him the election. I do think there was virtually no attempt to stop Russian involvement and lots of people looked the other way with a wink and a nod as to better their collective and individual outcomes.

Edit: just re-read this. It's rambling and stupid. I was interrupted like 10 times so it's sort of all over the place - but you get what I'm trying to say 😛
 
Homerboy said:
To me, the Mueller investigation was never about "nailing Trump" - if that happened to be the end game, so be it. To me it was about investigating the affects of outside involvement on our elections and who on the inside was involved/aware in ANY capacity. I think thus far, in regards to those goals, the investigation has been a success and I have a feeling we will see more of this success with more people being indicted/accused of wrong doings.

I've never been into the gas lighting of "Trump is colluding!" I certainly think there has been wrong doings by many individuals in regards to how the Russians have been handled and dealt with, but I don't believe that Trump and company have done some official "collusion" with Russian to get him the election. I do think there was virtually no attempt to stop Russian involvement and lots of people looked the other way with a wink and a nod as to better their collective and individual outcomes.

Edit: just re-read this. It's rambling and stupid. I was interrupted like 10 times so it's sort of all over the place - but you get what I'm trying to say 😛
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Not stupid at all and I agree with much of your reasoning.
 
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