darkswordsman17
Lifer
I really don't know WTF you were thinking with your initial posts. If you wanted to make an argument about hunting as conservation, you did a monumentally moronically shitty job of it.
You really need to read up on this and not just through hunting magazines and trophy hunter organizations masquerading as conservation groups. I've listened to their side and their arguments. I believe a lot of them really do think they're helping. Fact is, the reality is it isn't. At best, its very marginally doing what they say. At worst, its actually helping poaching.
Oh, and a lot of those old and sick animals are inside fenced in areas. Just so you know, the culling of the old and sick tend to be in "conservation" areas where they pose little actual danger to human populations. Not only that, but the "old" or "sick" can be due to the animals being tranquilized or injured beforehand (meaning they might not actually be old or sick, but hey the people paid and want their kill; of course I'm not sure where the hunting thrill comes when you're shooting animals that might not even be able to try and run, while you sit on a truck protected from any actual danger; in the small town I grew up in the mayor had an article in the newspaper about his 8 year old son getting a zebra skin - and detailed the "thrill" as the boy sat in a parked truck and shot a zebra that I think might have even been laying on the ground, yeah what a sport!).
The "trouble" animals are a different thing. And that's fairly much a sham too, as they need to be taken care of ASAP, and that's not really happening. Even though they sell "tickets" well in advance so there's a queue (so basically, you have a ticket and when you're next in line, when they have a supposed trouble animal, they call you up, and then you are supposed to go and kill it, but it'll often be days, I think sometimes even weeks before the hunter ever gets there; not to mention how "problem animals" are not consistent and sorry but are absolutely not "most" of the elephants killed even just by legit hunting, so even the legitimate aspects of that are not going to be providing what conservation efforts need - which is consistent funding and aid; but that's why they try to presell the rights for the alleged problem animals, and there's growing evidence that they just randomly pick animals to let be killed so as to get the money).
What actually happens is the money goes towards greasing the wheels of corruption. It often doesn't end up helping the locals because they never see it. And that's just the above board payments, which are definitely not the only ones that are occurring.
Oh, and a lot of the figures cited by the conservationists and the people enabling them in Africa are outright fabrications. South Africa claims they make something like $700million a year and the industry employs 70,000 people. Its more like they make like $10million a year and the whole continent employs less than 50,000 people in the industry. Makes you wonder if the South African official isn't citing the illicit part too...
Ultimately, we have these sham "conservation" groups that are just people desperately looking for some way of legitimizing their bloodlust and desire to get trophies (which, incidentally is exactly something that serial killers do...), made up of people with enough money to prop up the facade. Its exactly the same type of shit we see with the offshore accounts, which no doubt also play a big role in this.
You really need to read up on this and not just through hunting magazines and trophy hunter organizations masquerading as conservation groups. I've listened to their side and their arguments. I believe a lot of them really do think they're helping. Fact is, the reality is it isn't. At best, its very marginally doing what they say. At worst, its actually helping poaching.
Oh, and a lot of those old and sick animals are inside fenced in areas. Just so you know, the culling of the old and sick tend to be in "conservation" areas where they pose little actual danger to human populations. Not only that, but the "old" or "sick" can be due to the animals being tranquilized or injured beforehand (meaning they might not actually be old or sick, but hey the people paid and want their kill; of course I'm not sure where the hunting thrill comes when you're shooting animals that might not even be able to try and run, while you sit on a truck protected from any actual danger; in the small town I grew up in the mayor had an article in the newspaper about his 8 year old son getting a zebra skin - and detailed the "thrill" as the boy sat in a parked truck and shot a zebra that I think might have even been laying on the ground, yeah what a sport!).
The "trouble" animals are a different thing. And that's fairly much a sham too, as they need to be taken care of ASAP, and that's not really happening. Even though they sell "tickets" well in advance so there's a queue (so basically, you have a ticket and when you're next in line, when they have a supposed trouble animal, they call you up, and then you are supposed to go and kill it, but it'll often be days, I think sometimes even weeks before the hunter ever gets there; not to mention how "problem animals" are not consistent and sorry but are absolutely not "most" of the elephants killed even just by legit hunting, so even the legitimate aspects of that are not going to be providing what conservation efforts need - which is consistent funding and aid; but that's why they try to presell the rights for the alleged problem animals, and there's growing evidence that they just randomly pick animals to let be killed so as to get the money).
What actually happens is the money goes towards greasing the wheels of corruption. It often doesn't end up helping the locals because they never see it. And that's just the above board payments, which are definitely not the only ones that are occurring.
Oh, and a lot of the figures cited by the conservationists and the people enabling them in Africa are outright fabrications. South Africa claims they make something like $700million a year and the industry employs 70,000 people. Its more like they make like $10million a year and the whole continent employs less than 50,000 people in the industry. Makes you wonder if the South African official isn't citing the illicit part too...
Ultimately, we have these sham "conservation" groups that are just people desperately looking for some way of legitimizing their bloodlust and desire to get trophies (which, incidentally is exactly something that serial killers do...), made up of people with enough money to prop up the facade. Its exactly the same type of shit we see with the offshore accounts, which no doubt also play a big role in this.
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