Trump might not run, and here is why I think he would not run.

[Muse]

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I think if you asked them, they wouldn't believe you that the woman above it not as white as them. Fake News!!!

Trump has shown that to gather assent you need a dozen American flags shown behind you, taking up the entire background. Yes, fake news.

 

[Greenman]

You forget, and it's quite the blunder, you can spread the truth, cripple the purveyors of lies, if you care, and I most certainly do!

So no financial support?

 

[DaaQ]

So no financial support?

How about constitutional amendment to repeal "Citizens United" ?? Would that not be an ideal solution??

Your thoughts?

 

[Ken g6]

Hey, where's Mitt Romney? The only Republican senator who can say he voted to convict Trump, twice. That's the kind of honest leadership I might be able to get behind.

 

[Greenman]

How about constitutional amendment to repeal "Citizens United" ?? Would that not be an ideal solution??

Your thoughts?

It's an entirely different subject than I was discussing with Muse, but I'll bite.
All the money needs to be taken out of politics, no PAC's, no huge donners, no lobbyists tossing around millions. Every single cent needs to have an individuals name attached to it, and that amount needs to be capped at a hundred bucks. All of it needs to go through a central clearing house then be dispersed to the candidates from there.
Breaking the money chain is an absolute necessity.

 

[Commodus]

Hey, where's Mitt Romney? The only Republican senator who can say he voted to convict Trump, twice. That's the kind of honest leadership I might be able to get behind.

I wouldn't elevate Romney too much given that he has voted for some other scummy things. With that said, he's one of the few modern Republicans who's thinking about more than short-term power grabs, and that makes him much better than many of his contemporaries.

 

[HumblePie]

If Jo went repub, she might get a lot more backing than what she currently gets. Ted Cruz I think was overshadowed before, but looks to be getting a stronger political backing. He may be one of the biggest contenders for the repubs in the next election if he decides to run again. I am not sure who else would be considering running and would get enough support at this point.

 

[Commodus]

If Jo went repub, she might get a lot more backing than what she currently gets. Ted Cruz I think was overshadowed before, but looks to be getting a stronger political backing. He may be one of the biggest contenders for the repubs in the next election if he decides to run again. I am not sure who else would be considering running and would get enough support at this point.

Mind you, that's a pretty rousing condemnation of the current GOP if its 2024 frontrunner is "Ted Cruz, I guess." Aside from not being all that charismatic, it'd be pretty easy to take him down in debates: just remind everyone that he was on the side of the Capitol rioters. He either doubles down and is rejected as the traitor he is, or recants and alienates people still clinging to Trump's lies.

 

[manly]

Is that a list of people likely to run? I have not heard of Katherine Schwarzenegger even considering it. She would barely be 35 years old (by one month) when taking office. I don't even know her politics except that she endorsed Joe Biden this time.

Why aren't Nikki Haley, Josh Hawley or Ted Cruz in there? All are considered likely. I also wouldn't be surprised if Rubio tried again.

If I had to guess, barring legal problems, DJT will run again and would be considered the favorite. I know this seems a little weird since he totally tanked his "brand" with the Capitol riots, but 30% of voters will choose him again in a heartbeat. The reason I think he's a favorite is because the crowd of next-up candidates all suck. Seriously, Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio? Who the fuck wants to vote for those two cretins?

I think if you asked them, they wouldn't believe you that the woman above it not as white as them. Fake News!!!

What kind of immigrant name is Nikki Haley anyway? /s

Hey, where's Mitt Romney? The only Republican senator who can say he voted to convict Trump, twice. That's the kind of honest leadership I might be able to get behind.

Have you seen the modern Republican party and its voters?
Policies aside, the reasonable old guard have no chance anymore. You can forget about guys like Mitt Romney or John Kasich. They aren't nearly crazy enough to unlock the base voter.

 

[soundforbjt]

If Joe doesn’t run in 2024 and it’s Harris as the Dem candidate, the repubs will go with Haley. Their hope would be the first with a woman President over the Dems. Think of how they’d milk that accomplishment...

 

[Meghan54]

What kind of immigrant name is Nikki Haley anyway? /s

She was born Nimrata Nikki Randhawa. Immigrant sounding enough?

 

[manly]

She was born Nimrata Nikki Randhawa. Immigrant sounding enough?

You missed the sarcasm tag.

 

[DaaQ]

As far as jihads go, I guess that's as good as any. The only issue is you have but two weapons to use in that fight, money and your vote. We know where you're vote is going, so how much money do you plan on investing in this endeavor?

You forget, and it's quite the blunder, you can spread the truth, cripple the purveyors of lies, if you care, and I most certainly do!

So no financial support?

OK I added those for context.

To the last BOLD, how is any individual person even capable of such a thing when their Vote is up against the FOLLOWING text I took the time to put together?

It's an entirely different subject than I was discussing with Muse, but I'll bite.
All the money needs to be taken out of politics, no PAC's, no huge donners, no lobbyists tossing around millions. Every single cent needs to have an individuals name attached to it, and that amount needs to be capped at a hundred bucks. All of it needs to go through a central clearing house then be dispersed to the candidates from there.
Breaking the money chain is an absolute necessity.

Let me try and format this a little better this time ok. So my apologies if any quotes break in advance.

I am asking in good faith, for you to answer "how to get there"

All the money needs to be taken out of politics, no PAC's, no huge donners, no lobbyists tossing around millions.

How would you propose to accomplish this? I will provide some links on Citizens United, ok?

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-205.pdf
https://www.fec.gov/updates/citizens-united-v-fecsupreme-court/

https://www.majorityleader.gov/cont...rats-call-senate-take-house-passed-government
Quote from this above link:

THE IMPACT OF THE CITIZENS UNITED DECISION

In Citizens United v. FEC, the Supreme Court asserted that corporations are people and removed reasonable campaign contribution limits, allowing a small group of wealthy donors and special interests to use dark money to influence elections. This has led to policies that benefit special interests, not policies that enjoy support from the majority of Americans. According to an analysis by End Citizens United:
Outside groups have spent over $4.4 billion in federal elections since the Citizens United decision.
Of the $4.4 billion, nearly $1 billion has been spent in federal elections as untraceable, “dark money” expenditures since the decision.
Eighty-six percent of all outside spending in federal elections in the past 30 years has come in the ten years since the decision.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Citizens-United-v-Federal-Election-Commission

And a quote from this article:

In SpeechNOW.org v. Federal Election Commission (2010), the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, citing the Supreme Court’s decision in Citizens United, struck down FECA-imposed limits on the amounts that individuals could give to organizations that engage in independent expenditures for the purpose of express advocacy but upheld FECA’s disclosure-and-identification requirements as applied to individual contributors to such groups. Although SpeechNOW appealed the disclosure-and-identification portion of the appeals court’s ruling, the Supreme Court declined to hear the case. One significant result of the SpeechNOW decision was the emergence of large ideologically driven “Super PACs” to which wealthy individuals could contribute without limit. The amount of spending by such groups during elections between 2010 and 2016 increased from $62 million to more than $1.1 billion.

In its endorsement of the BCRA’s disclosure-and-identification requirements, the Citizens United court expressed its faith that “with the advent of the Internet” those provisions would forestall the possiblity that corporate-funded political advertising would disempower shareholders or mislead or improperly influence the public. Citing Scalia’s opinion in McConnell, the court declared that, armed with such information,

shareholders can determine whether their corporation’s political speech advances the corporation’s interest in making profits, and citizens can see whether elected officials are “ ‘in the pocket’ of so-called moneyed interests.’ ”

Unfortunately, those envisioned protections were partly evaded, as some political nonprofit corporations that had been engaged in independent expenditures reregistered themselves with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) as tax-exempt “social welfare” organizations, which were not required to disclose the identities of their donors. Another common strategy of such corporations was to retain their status under the tax code but to accept large donations from essentially sham social welfare organizations that had been created for the purpose of collecting and distributing anonymously donated money. More than $240 million of such “dark money” was spent in the 2012 election cycle, though the amount declined in subsequent years.

Ok here is another of your quotes @Greenman

Every single cent needs to have an individuals name attached to it, and that amount needs to be capped at a hundred bucks. All of it needs to go through a central clearing house then be dispersed to the candidates from there.

How do you propose to accomplish this?
Under current Supreme Court overturn will never happen.
The only option available, which is an IMMENSE uphill battle is Constitutional Amendment to remove that Corporations ARE people and that money is NOT speech.
Along with other overhauls that are needed, this one ruling broke other rulings where protections WERE in place.

Also note who brought the suit: McConnel vs The FEC.

Would you read through, I'll be generous and say maybe a couple? of the links? And have an honest discussion?

 

[Greenman]

OK I added those for context.

To the last BOLD, how is any individual person even capable of such a thing when their Vote is up against the FOLLOWING text I took the time to put together?



Let me try and format this a little better this time ok. So my apologies if any quotes break in advance.

I am asking in good faith, for you to answer "how to get there"


How would you propose to accomplish this? I will provide some links on Citizens United, ok?

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-205.pdf
https://www.fec.gov/updates/citizens-united-v-fecsupreme-court/

https://www.majorityleader.gov/cont...rats-call-senate-take-house-passed-government
Quote from this above link:


https://www.britannica.com/event/Citizens-United-v-Federal-Election-Commission

And a quote from this article:



Ok here is another of your quotes @Greenman



How do you propose to accomplish this?
Under current Supreme Court overturn will never happen.
The only option available, which is an IMMENSE uphill battle is Constitutional Amendment to remove that Corporations ARE people and that money is NOT speech.
Along with other overhauls that are needed, this one ruling broke other rulings where protections WERE in place.

Also note who brought the suit: McConnel vs The FEC.

Would you read through, I'll be generous and say maybe a couple? of the links? And have an honest discussion?

At this point, I don't believe it can be accomplished. The reason is simply that no one in politics want's it to happen, none of the big donners want it to happen because that's their control over the system.
I don't have the answers, I just see the problem. It's obvious that money corrupts the system, just as large voting blocks do as well. The unions are just as guilty as the wealthy donors, but in their case it was born out of self preservation, not a desire to steer the nation. Tragically, it's now a power block that can be manipulated.
The degradation were seeing wasn't anticipated by the framers, and the CU ruling was simply one more nail in that coffin. I don't know how it gets reset. I don't know how we take it apart when no one wants to give up the advantage of having an enormous war chest.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I would, I like Nikki Haley. I think she did a great job as the Governor of SC.

I know a lot of republicans that would.

I’ll give her some credit. She only did a little sucking on Trumps balls, she got out before she had to do more.

 

[zinfamous]

She was born Nimrata Nikki Randhawa. Immigrant sounding enough?

Born in America though? Hmm, wonder if the repubs are willing to challenge that, right?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

If Joe doesn’t run in 2024 and it’s Harris as the Dem candidate, the repubs will go with Haley. Their hope would be the first with a woman President over the Dems. Think of how they’d milk that accomplishment...

Pretty much what I’m thinking. They really want that title but they also want it to happen as late as possible.

 

[soundforbjt]

I’ll give her some credit. She only did a little sucking on Trumps balls, she got out before she had to do more.

But she was willing to take the job while knowing full well Trump was corrupt.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

But she was willing to take the job while knowing full well Trump was corrupt.

She’s knows you & I would never vote for her.

 

[DaaQ]

At this point, I don't believe it can be accomplished. The reason is simply that no one in politics want's it to happen, none of the big donners want it to happen because that's their control over the system.
I don't have the answers, I just see the problem. It's obvious that money corrupts the system, just as large voting blocks do as well. The unions are just as guilty as the wealthy donors, but in their case it was born out of self preservation, not a desire to steer the nation. Tragically, it's now a power block that can be manipulated.
The degradation were seeing wasn't anticipated by the framers, and the CU ruling was simply one more nail in that coffin. I don't know how it gets reset. I don't know how we take it apart when no one wants to give up the advantage of having an enormous war chest.

I appreciate the insight. I think you thought about your answer.

Did you peruse any of the links? To see how far back this has been brewing?

I used to work for a Labor Union between 94-06. During that time several things happened. On the Labor side, we had some ups and downs, concessions given, a little profits shared.
I think Unions largest fault was to tie health benefits to employment. Granted back in the very early days, it was to improve the safety and health of the employees. ( I cannot comment on Public Unions)
During that time you also has the rise of the "right wing echo chamber" ie Rush, Fox News, and all the others back in the mid 90's.
My time there, with a population of approx 3000-3500k workers. Most all were pro Union, Democratic leaning. After all a Union is a democratic process with leadership voted by the membership to represent them. I would say it wasn't until after the year 2000-2001 where the moral and ideological shift occurred within this particular plant, to what seems to be now a majority Republican Ideology amongst workers.
These workers decided to take hard line stances against management, refusing to compromise ect. What happened to that plant??
It was the largest automotive metal stamping plant in the US from 1968 (my guess would be around 2006/7) It used to employ over 5k workers 3k when I worked there, down to about 1-1100 when I left. It ran 3 full times shifts. It now has 1 shift, with less than 100 workers maintaining the whole thing.
The front of the building is not visible from the entrance road, The company sold off the frontage/acreage that used to be employee parking lots. It is now covered with store fronts. Strip mall ect.

The document was written to be changed ie a Living Document, I think it is time to start changing things. The edges do not control the whole, it's time they learned that. Compromise cannot be made at the ends. It starts from the middle out.

Also people need to start voting for their self interests. Not their Pastor's, Radio show host's, TV opinionator's interests. Need educational reform, OTA broadcast reform, and address the misinformation campaigns running rampant in our societies. .

Thank you for the time.

 

[pmv]

I can't see Trump running. He's just not built for it. Too fat and too lazy, and with that strange centeaur-with-his-rear-legs-missing stance of his. He doesn't even like to walk.

 

[pmv]

He might _stand_ for President, though, I guess. Though he'd probably need to sit down after a short time.

 

[pcgeek11]

She was born Nimrata Nikki Randhawa. Immigrant sounding enough?

She isn't an immigrant.
She was born in Bamberg South Carolina.

 

[Amol S.]

I can't see Trump running. He's just not built for it. Too fat and too lazy, and with that strange centeaur-with-his-rear-legs-missing stance of his. He doesn't even like to walk.

Only Pence can run....

 

[brycejones]

She isn't an immigrant.
She was born in Bamberg South Carolina.

Have we seen her triplicate long form certified created the day she was born birth certificate? Not a copy because that is too easy too fake.