Trump met with Obama, and so far so good.

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yeah, I was surprised.
Trump didn't crap on the rug and Melania actually wore shoes.
Go figure.....

You might learn a lesson from this. Your wildest fears manifest themselves as you deepest desires. It was plain that you wanted to be vindicated and came up with some pretty outrageous stuff even for Trump. Might want to start shooting after the fact next time.

 

[Blackjack200]

Those two words pretty much sum up most discussions here but I'll try once and then you can say the same all over

She didn't get elected. Deal with it because it turned out in fact that she was unelectable. Who's taking office next? Not her.

You blame me and everyone else but your brain is stuck on election mode apparently. Remember when this process got underway and Bernie was the upstart? He consistently beat most Republicans. Other candidates? I believe that was also true. The one in most trouble matched up against someone you should have trounced? Hillary. Debbie conspired to sabotage campaigns of others. The outcry? Oh, "deal with it".

Please show me where I'm blaming anyone but the rural racist whites who elected trump. In fact, that's what earned my "fuck you". Trying to blame me, or any Clinton voter.

So of course we did, we had no choice. But Hillarites do not command us like dogs. Instead they lost their credibility and their way from what once was a frankly better party and became just like the Republicans as far as ideals went. You put up a corporate mouthpiece and we knew. Even Independent voters, and I don't mean third party supporters knew this.

The bottom line is that election night results reflected the result of Democrat actions in supporting someone so bad that the person you cry about, perhaps with some justification, won.

And you blame me and everyone else and in effect act as if it were your and Hillary's Right of Kings (or Queen) to rule over the rabble. No, you had to earn our trust and you went about it in the most inept way possible.

Sorry, 'Hillary sucked' doesn't do it for me. You elected a vindictive fascist who could very well destroy the institutions that underpin our democracy. I don't think there was anything wrong with Hillary Clinton, in fact, most Americans didn't either as she won the most votes in the Democratic primary, and the most votes in the GE. But even if we accept your argument that she was flawed, are you suggesting that the was an existential threat to American democracy? Are you denying that trump is?

When the next election come about I hope you people will have learned that principles, not skullduggery is, or was, you strength. The corporatist neocon who makes a fortune from her friends she's going to turn on, then bring peace while going to war with Assad?

It takes a special kind of demented thinking to cherry pick 30,000 pilfered emails to find a handful that contain unattractive comments, and conclude that the entire organization is engaging in "skullduggery".

What were you thinking?

Don't bother, I know and it's "fuck you".

No, what I was thinking was, 'man, I like Clinton, but holy shit I REALLY hope she wins and this fascist doesn't'.

'Fuck you' is what I think to anyone with the gall to blame the election results on the people who voted for the other side.

 

[brandonbull]

WH staffers during meeting:

Holy shit, the expressions on their faces. The woman crying in the 2nd pic is just sad.

It's tradition to trash the place when they leave, wonder if they're going to keep up the tradition...

I was wondering what a bunch of elitist, race-baiting, freedom of speech hating, socialist/fascists, anti-American globalist losers looked like. Now I know.

 

[sportage]

Well... if Donald actually does appoint people like Rudy Giuliani and Newt Gingrich to a post, then I could see all hell breaking loose.
Gingrich believes in communities on the moon, and Giuliani believes in spooks and aliens.
This should be fun.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

some fuckwit commentator on fox just called drumpf the, and I am quoting directly, "smartest man in the world"
What the actual fvck.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I was wondering what a bunch of elitist, race-baiting, freedom of speech hating, socialist/fascists, anti-American globalist losers looked like. Now I know.

No, that will be drumpf's cabinet, nice try tho

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Please show me where I'm blaming anyone but the rural racist whites who elected trump. In fact, that's what earned my "fuck you". Trying to blame me, or any Clinton voter.



Sorry, 'Hillary sucked' doesn't do it for me. You elected a vindictive fascist who could very well destroy the institutions that underpin our democracy. I don't think there was anything wrong with Hillary Clinton, in fact, most Americans didn't either as she won the most votes in the Democratic primary, and the most votes in the GE. But even if we accept your argument that she was flawed, are you suggesting that the was an existential threat to American democracy? Are you denying that trump is?



It takes a special kind of demented thinking to cherry pick 30,000 pilfered emails to find a handful that contain unattractive comments, and conclude that the entire organization is engaging in "skullduggery".



No, what I was thinking was, 'man, I like Clinton, but holy shit I REALLY hope she wins and this fascist doesn't'.

'Fuck you' is what I think to anyone with the gall to blame the election results on the people who voted for the other side.

Psst, I neither like nor voted for Trump.

BTW, http://www.wsj.com/articles/one-fac...-of-support-from-some-women-voters-1478865602

In your desire to demonize, you decided that your poor choice didn't have the second highest disapproval rating in history, have no ownership for your lack of vision and that stupid racist rural hicks bested you outright. Women cost you dearly too. Going to play misogynist? Stupid women eh? Try carrying that sign around and see how that goes.

So lets see. One of the most powerful women in the DNC was shown to be saboteur of what should have been an unbiased process. You response, "but look at all the other emails". Ok, next time someone shoots someone there's a great defense. "Your honor, my client is being unfairly punished. The time to pull the trigger until the result is only one part in 9.461e+10 in which he has lived a law abiding citizen. You must not let this injustice against him stand"!

What does that have to do with anything? Wrongdoing has nothing to do with the moments or messages which have nothing to do with it. Instead it is a matter of a single and in this case, meaningful, act.

So blame the hicks. Blame those who didn't get behind your pick, but don't for one moment consider all the facts which weigh against you not being partly responsible for this outcome.

Egads, it looks like the Dems may get crushed next time because of lack of understanding. Just like Romney supporters, it was your fault not theirs. They made all the right decisions for clearly the best candidate. Yeah, right.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Bernie is the best example of how Americans should be handling the outcome of the election. Regardless of where you fall on the political line graph, we need to demand our representatives all get together and start working on solutions. Democrats have rightly brought to task the Republican legislators for failing to do that. Time to show this country their party is above political obstructionism and can compromise to get things done.

 

[Blackjack200]

Psst, I neither like nor voted for Trump.

BTW, http://www.wsj.com/articles/one-fac...-of-support-from-some-women-voters-1478865602

In your desire to demonize, you decided that your poor choice didn't have the second highest disapproval rating in history, have no ownership for your lack of vision and that stupid racist rural hicks bested you outright. Women cost you dearly too. Going to play misogynist? Stupid women eh? Try carrying that sign around and see how that goes.

I don't give a flying fuck who you voted for. I did notice that you were trying to bait me into accusing you of voting for trump, but I only suggested you did when you said "You blame me and everyone else". I have repeatedly only blamed Trump voters and the electorate. So you implied you voted for Trump so you could have a snarky response. Fuck you.

In your desire to sell the narrative that Clinton was so awful that trump was preferred, you simply ignore the clear evidence that Clinton's popularity was the result of relentless demonization by the press and the right.

http://www.salon.com/2016/10/06/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-popularity/

I guess that's what you have to do when the facts don't support your position, fall back on soft stuff like candidate popularity. We know who won the popularity contest, Clinton did, and that's despite months of hyping non-stories like emails and the foundation, Wikileaks hacks and the release of the most embarrassing emails from the campaign.

So lets see. One of the most powerful women in the DNC was shown to be saboteur of what should have been an unbiased process. You response, "but look at all the other emails". Ok, next time someone shoots someone there's a great defense. "Your honor, my client is being unfairly punished. The time to pull the trigger until the result is only one part in 9.461e+10 in which he has lived a law abiding citizen. You must not let this injustice against him stand"!

If you see no issue with one side having it's emails stolen and most embarrassing private communications published and scandalized, you have an awful sense of fairness.

What does that have to do with anything? Wrongdoing has nothing to do with the moments or messages which have nothing to do with it. Instead it is a matter of a single and in this case, meaningful, act.

What "wrongdoing" are you even referring to?

So blame the hicks. Blame those who didn't get behind your pick, but don't for one moment consider all the facts which weigh against you not being partly responsible for this outcome.

Egads, it looks like the Dems may get crushed next time because of lack of understanding. Just like Romney supporters, it was your fault not theirs. They made all the right decisions for clearly the best candidate. Yeah, right.

I didn't blame Romney or his supporters for the re-election of Obama. That would be terribly crass and vindictive. I disagreed with them, and I'm glad they lost, but I respect the fact that they believed in something different than I did, and supported the candidate that they thought represented those beliefs.

 

[MrDudeMan]

snip.

This is a very good post. I wish more people had a level head like you do. Trump, in my opinion, is a consequence of the real problem. I voted for him, but I did not feel good about it and I don't feel good about the potential of what he might do, but I'm hopeful that the constant rhetoric was just for show and he'll try to really do something positive. Time will tell.

With that said, I would have voted for Bernie given the chance. I actually don't have a huge problem with Hillary, but Bernie was a better choice in my opinion. The main reason I didn't vote for Hillary is because she has made it clear she can't be trusted as a leader. Some will say, "but Trump has done the same and maybe worse" and in some capacity that may be true. However, my response is that his type of idiocy and corruption is different and I'm willing to roll the dice because she's a sure thing and he's a question mark. Like I said, I don't feel good about it, but we had really bad options and that means there really wasn't a possibility to make a good decision from my point of view.

 

[Blackjack200]

Bernie is the best example of how Americans should be handling the outcome of the election. Regardless of where you fall on the political line graph, we need to demand our representatives all get together and start working on solutions. Democrats have rightly brought to task the Republican legislators for failing to do that. Time to show this country their party is above political obstructionism and can compromise to get things done.

Bernie said "our job is to reach out to trump voters". But that's what Clinton did, repeatedly. She repeatedly said she would do everything she could to improve the lives of the people that wouldn't vote for her. Trump said he would ban Muslims.

Where were the demands that "our representatives all get together and start working on solutions" during the last 8 years of right wing obstruction? Now that the right controls all branches of government, is the time to come together and sing hymns?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Bernie said "our job is to reach out to trump voters". But that's what Clinton did, repeatedly. She repeatedly said she would do everything she could to improve the lives of the people that wouldn't vote for her. Trump said he would ban Muslims.

Where were the demands that "our representatives all get together and start working on solutions" during the last 8 years of right wing obstruction? Now that the right controls all branches of government, is the time to come together and sing hymns?

I saw this on imgur and thought it was succinct and accurate.

And we are either part of the solution, part of the problem, or out of the equation. Choose wisely, because it is all our collective asses on the line. You may be convinced we failed to choose wisely for POTUS, but what is done cannot be undone. Playing tit for tat now does not help this country, and would be nothing more than political gamesmanship. How about the dems not play games the way the repubs did, and act like our country is more important than their party? Bernie is willing to do that, I hope the rest join him. Bernie also said he would oppose any radicalism vigorously, and that is how this should proceed.

 

[Blackjack200]

And we are either part of the solution, part of the problem, or out of the equation. Choose wisely, because it is all our collective asses on the line. You may be convinced we failed to choose wisely for POTUS, but what is done cannot be undone. Playing tit for tat now does not help this country, and would be nothing more than political gamesmanship. How about the dems not play games the way the repubs did, and act like our country is more important than their party? Bernie is willing to do that, I hope the rest join him. Bernie also said he would oppose any radicalism vigorously, and that is how this should proceed.

So you think that when a dangerous, vindictive man is elected president we should try to cooperate with him? Make sure that his Muslim ban is implemented in the fairest way possible? Try to ensure that not too many legal residents are swept up in his immigration purges? It's not about playing tit for tat, its about protecting the people that are vulnerable to what this psychopath is going to do.

I expect Sanders, Warren, and other Democrats in office to govern for the whole country, as they have always done. But their first concern needs to be for the minorities and immigrants that are facing very real threats, not silly virtue signaling.

Edit: I have no idea what the fuck that gif means. Like, in what way was trump not taken seriously by the left?

 

[sxr7171]

Duh the dems and the media didnt expect him to even be a contender.

They sold it like she already won. Hence a good number of her people failed to vote.

 

[zinfamous]

So you think that when a dangerous, vindictive man is elected president we should try to cooperate with him? Make sure that his Muslim ban is implemented in the fairest way possible? Try to ensure that not too many legal residents are swept up in his immigration purges? It's not about playing tit for tat, its about protecting the people that are vulnerable to what this psychopath is going to do.

I expect Sanders, Warren, and other Democrats in office to govern for the whole country, as they have always done. But their first concern needs to be for the minorities and immigrants that are facing very real threats, not silly virtue signaling.

I don't think anyone should support him in attempts to ban muslims, defund successful and necessary social programs, regress women's rights to Victorian era social norms, fracture NATO so that Putin can reoccupy sovereign nations. I think we should fight him tooth and nail and with any means necessary if any of these policies are, indeed, more than bluster.

But at this point, we can only see if this really is his goal. He has long been on both sides of all of these issues and so I think that his supporters who elected him for the big ? and us liberals that railed against him because of the big ? really can't do much more right now than wait and see what side of that ? he falls on.

 

[Jaskalas]

An unelectable candidate that will probably finish with 2 million more votes than Trump.

Clinton leads the popular vote by 395,595.
Not 2 million.

As for unelectable, look at who she faced. Hint, Trump was also unelectable and unthinkable.

 

[Blackjack200]

Duh the dems and the media didnt expect him to even be a contender.

They sold it like she already won. Hence a good number of her people failed to vote.

This is a great example of ignoring facts to believe in a narrative. In this case, that the Democrats were out of touch with America and thus overconfident.

It's true that Democrats thought they were going to win. It's also true that they thought they could win back the Senate and even an outside chance at the House. They had a substantial GOTV effort as a result. In fact, after the election I heard a lot of people questioning the value of GOTV efforts since trump won with essentially no ground game.

But it doesn't fit you narrative, so just pretend the facts are different.

 

[Blackjack200]

Clinton leads the popular vote by 395,595.
Not 2 million.

As for unelectable, look at who she faced. Hint, Trump was also unelectable and unthinkable.

Try to keep up.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/ess...n-4-million-ballots-1478828215-htmlstory.html

 

[DAPUNISHER]

So you think that when a dangerous, vindictive man is elected president we should try to cooperate with him? Make sure that his Muslim ban is implemented in the fairest way possible? Try to ensure that not too many legal residents are swept up in his immigration purges? It's not about playing tit for tat, its about protecting the people that are vulnerable to what this psychopath is going to do.

I expect Sanders, Warren, and other Democrats in office to govern for the whole country, as they have always done. But their first concern needs to be for the minorities and immigrants that are facing very real threats, not silly virtue signaling.

Edit: I have no idea what the fuck that gif means. Like, in what way was trump not taken seriously by the left?

What did the last line I wrote say? Your entire post ignores that part.

 

[Blackjack200]

What did the last line I wrote say? Your entire post ignores that part.

Sorry, I honestly missed that line. I'm glad he said that. It should be his primary concern.

 

[Jaskalas]

Try to keep up.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/ess...n-4-million-ballots-1478828215-htmlstory.html

You're pretending that news was already presented. I'm simply working with what I know.
Sorry, didn't realize California had become THAT dysfunctional.

 

[Grooveriding]

That meeting looked and was awkward to watch. It was like seeing a five year old sit down at the table with an adult as if they were peers. How far have you degraded when your hopes about your new president is that most of what they promised/said was a lie and they won't actually implement. Alternately if they do go ahead with everything they promised, you're now living in a 3rd world fascist shithole.

 

[Blackjack200]

That meeting looked and was awkward to watch. It was like seeing a five year old sit down at the table with an adult as if they were peers. How far have you degraded when your hopes about your new president is that most of what they promised/said was a lie and they won't actually implement. Alternately if they do go ahead with everything they promised, you're now living in a 3rd world fascist shithole.

Yeah, I mean, we can hope. But I don't see any reason to think he won't do what he said he was going to do. The people he's putting in his cabinet don't look too promising.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I don't think anyone should support him in attempts to ban muslims, defund successful and necessary social programs, regress women's rights to Victorian era social norms, fracture NATO so that Putin can reoccupy sovereign nations. I think we should fight him tooth and nail and with any means necessary if any of these policies are, indeed, more than bluster.

But at this point, we can only see if this really is his goal. He has long been on both sides of all of these issues and so I think that his supporters who elected him for the big ? and us liberals that railed against him because of the big ? really can't do much more right now than wait and see what side of that ? he falls on.

That is a reasonable attitude. And where I think many of us are at on this. He used some scary old school tactics to whip people into a frenzy and get them to vote for him. But is this really a prelude to a radical agenda, or the end of effective campaign PSYOPs?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

How far have you degraded when your hopes about your new president is that most of what they promised/said was a lie and they won't actually implement.

My good man, when have we EVER as a people, been naive enough to think a candidate will follow through on most of their campaign promises? To characterize it that way is nothing more than spin doctoring.