News Trump: Mar-a-Lago just raided by FBI

[JD50]

I'm confused with the repeated Biden can reclassify. Like he never said he was clairvoyant and can reclassify something he can't identify.

Trump can't identify all the document he has either, so just use the same logic. If Trump can declassify all documents in his position, Biden can classify all documents in his possession.

 

[BoomerD]

Do. You. Believe. Trump. Should. Be. Indicted?

Fuck guilt. Innocent until proven guilty is for judges and juries. The prosecutor has NO SUCH presumption.

With what information we all have now. Do you believe a criminal charge and trial is validated here?

I asked you this before and you ignored me. Someone please copy pasta this in case he has me on ignore.

Greenman is right. Trump hasn't been convicted of anything...hell, he hasn't even been charged with anything...therefore, the media HAS to refer to what the rest of us "know" he's guilty of as "alleged." Anything else and they open themselves up to civil charges of slander or libel...and King Donnie the Twice Impeached LOVES to sue...

 

[fskimospy]

Greenman is right. Trump hasn't been convicted of anything...hell, he hasn't even been charged with anything...therefore, the media HAS to refer to what the rest of us "know" he's guilty of as "alleged." Anything else and they open themselves up to civil charges of slander or libel...and King Donnie the Twice Impeached LOVES to sue...

This is not accurate. While it's true that the press can't say Trump has been found guilty of anything as he hasn't yet, they are perfectly free to publish articles that say they or others believe Trump has fulfilled all the necessary elements of a crime and should be indicted.

 

[outriding]

Greenman is right. Trump hasn't been convicted of anything...hell, he hasn't even been charged with anything...therefore, the media HAS to refer to what the rest of us "know" he's guilty of as "alleged." Anything else and they open themselves up to civil charges of slander or libel...and King Donnie the Twice Impeached LOVES to sue...

TrumpU?

 

[eelw]

BOOM!!! REJECTED!!!

Supreme Court rejects Trump's request in dispute over Mar-a-Lago documents

The decision means a special master reviewing documents seized from Mar-a-Lago cannot access classified papers as part of the litigation.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[hal2kilo]

BOOM!!! REJECTED!!!

Supreme Court rejects Trump's request in dispute over Mar-a-Lago documents

The decision means a special master reviewing documents seized from Mar-a-Lago cannot access classified papers as part of the litigation.

www.nbcnews.com

Let the investigation, that will surely land Trump in an orange jump suit, proceed onward.

 

[fskimospy]

BOOM!!! REJECTED!!!

Supreme Court rejects Trump's request in dispute over Mar-a-Lago documents

The decision means a special master reviewing documents seized from Mar-a-Lago cannot access classified papers as part of the litigation.

www.nbcnews.com

This is not at all surprising. Even for this SCOTUS this would lead to such a batshit result as to be unworkable.

 

[woolfe9998]

They aren't going to rule in his favor on this. You may even see a one paragraph statement which is a refusal to hear the case. Like we saw with the two election conspiracy cases that went to the SCOTUS in 2020.

Right, like I said...

Supreme Court response in Trump special master case - DocumentCloud

 

[woolfe9998]

So unlike the 1/6 matter, this case is simple enough. DoJ should already be ready to prosecute. So will we see an indictment just shortly after the mid terms? Or will it take a lot longer?

 

[cytg111]

Holy shit, the 10 point conclusion at the end here

https://twitter.com/x/status/1580652928179716096

point 5 : "There appears to have been some sort of effort at the Pentagon aimed at ensuring a several-day delay of the joint session—and a Trump win. "

 

[VRAMdemon]

Good. I believe this was handled on the shadow docket. However, with as much scrutiny and pressure as Thomas has recently been under, I think even he will hide behind the full bench and at least imply he wasn’t prepared to disrupt the rule of law to the extent asked for by Trump. The outcome of this appeal was never really in doubt. But the fact that we even had to wonder if it was demonstrates how shaky the ground is on which the rule of law is currently rested.

Of the three routes this could have gone, this was probably the best result for the rule of law. IMO, the worst route would have been the Court taking up the appeal for consideration. Even if, in the end, they decided not to reverse the stay placed by the 11th Circuit, I think it would have sent a poor message.

The next worst would have been not answering at all, just leaving it hanging there in limbo. Then Trump's team of "lawyers" could have pointed to “waiting to hear what the Supreme Court has to say” any time he wanted to delay and muddle things a little more. (This is honestly where I thought we’d end up.)

But thankfully they quickly and decisively said they weren’t interested in getting involved. Again, good!

 

[eelw]

So unlike the 1/6 matter, this case is simple enough. DoJ should already be ready to prosecute. So will we see an indictment just shortly after the mid terms? Or will it take a lot longer?

November 9 1:01AM. Right when Hawaii voting closes

 

[fskimospy]

So unlike the 1/6 matter, this case is simple enough. DoJ should already be ready to prosecute. So will we see an indictment just shortly after the mid terms? Or will it take a lot longer?

I stand by my previous prediction that Trump will be indicted by the end of the year. Maybe it goes as late as early next year but I would be very surprised if Trump has not been indicted by say, March.

 

[fskimospy]

Good. I believe this was handled on the shadow docket. However, with as much scrutiny and pressure as Thomas has recently been under, I think even he will hide behind the full bench and at least imply he wasn’t prepared to disrupt the rule of law to the extent asked for by Trump. The outcome of this appeal was never really in doubt. But the fact that we even had to wonder if it was demonstrates how shaky the ground is on which the rule of law is currently rested.

Of the three routes this could have gone, this was probably the best result for the rule of law. IMO, the worst route would have been the Court taking up the appeal for consideration. Even if, in the end, they decided not to reverse the stay placed by the 11th Circuit, I think it would have sent a poor message.

The next worst would have been not answering at all, just leaving it hanging there in limbo. Then Trump's team of "lawyers" could have pointed to “waiting to hear what the Supreme Court has to say” any time he wanted to delay and muddle things a little more. (This is honestly where I thought we’d end up.)

But thankfully they quickly and decisively said they weren’t interested in getting involved. Again, good!

Fundamentally the question here is if the executive branch is allowed to use its own documents for internal executive branch investigative/counterintelligence purposes.

For SCOTUS to say no would essentially place the courts in charge of criminal investigations, which is a core executive branch function. Then again the courts have already seized control of immigration and foreign policy so maybe this is the logical next step.

 

[Zorba]

In the US a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. A lot people seem to have forgotten this and replaced it with "internet guilt", based on an internet conviction. It leads to a lot of tooth gnashing and outrage, but little else. Your post here is a perfect example. You know Trump is guilty, you know he's a criminal, you know he should be jailed, and you're upset that it hasn't happened. The one thought that you've never considered is that he's not guilty until he's convicted.

So if some dude steals tools/materials from your job site. You have him and his license plate on camera. He then posts online "yeah I have Greenman's stuff, but that is because I actually own them." You would still say "no way to know if he did anything wrong, he hasn't been convicted yet. And the police can't do an investigation because they have to assume he is innocent."

 

[dainthomas]

Good. I believe this was handled on the shadow docket. However, with as much scrutiny and pressure as Thomas has recently been under, I think even he will hide behind the full bench and at least imply he wasn’t prepared to disrupt the rule of law to the extent asked for by Trump. The outcome of this appeal was never really in doubt. But the fact that we even had to wonder if it was demonstrates how shaky the ground is on which the rule of law is currently rested.

Of the three routes this could have gone, this was probably the best result for the rule of law. IMO, the worst route would have been the Court taking up the appeal for consideration. Even if, in the end, they decided not to reverse the stay placed by the 11th Circuit, I think it would have sent a poor message.

The next worst would have been not answering at all, just leaving it hanging there in limbo. Then Trump's team of "lawyers" could have pointed to “waiting to hear what the Supreme Court has to say” any time he wanted to delay and muddle things a little more. (This is honestly where I thought we’d end up.)

But thankfully they quickly and decisively said they weren’t interested in getting involved. Again, good!

Something about a stopped clock...

 

[dainthomas]

Fundamentally the question here is if the executive branch is allowed to use its own documents for internal executive branch investigative/counterintelligence purposes.

For SCOTUS to say no would essentially place the courts in charge of criminal investigations, which is a core executive branch function. Then again the courts have already seized control of immigration and foreign policy so maybe this is the logical next step.

Last year a judge was briefly running the Navy SEALs when some of them refused the covid vax, and the judge made the Navy run all their assignments by him for some ridiculous reason.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Fundamentally the question here is if the executive branch is allowed to use its own documents for internal executive branch investigative/counterintelligence purposes.

For SCOTUS to say no would essentially place the courts in charge of criminal investigations, which is a core executive branch function. Then again the courts have already seized control of immigration and foreign policy so maybe this is the logical next step.

Yeah, The order says Thomas referred the case to the rest of the court. I'm wondering if Thomas could have supported Trump’s appeal and was outvoted? Will we get a round of Trump calling Thomas part of the deep state? Hard to think we won’t. Trump is a master at cutting off his nose to spite his face. Trump was hoping for some kind of delay, but it doesn’t look like he’s going to get any.

I'm assuming Clarence is sleeping on the couch for the rest of the week, at least.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Don't hold your breath...and IF he should somehow get indicted, he'll never be convicted. No possible way to get a jury impartial enough.

A tainted jury would simply result in a mistrial, unless the defense managed to fill every slot on the jury with a logic-impervious Trumpoloon. A not guilty verdict is final; a mistrial isn’t. I do think in this particular case they either nail in one or they may not nail it at all. That’s probably Merrick Garland’s thinking in this case.

 

[Zorba]

Fundamentally the question here is if the executive branch is allowed to use its own documents for internal executive branch investigative/counterintelligence purposes.

For SCOTUS to say no would essentially place the courts in charge of criminal investigations, which is a core executive branch function. Then again the courts have already seized control of immigration and foreign policy so maybe this is the logical next step.

I thought the much bigger risk here was a long delay, they could've delayed it almost 2 years.

 

[eelw]

I thought the much bigger risk here was a long delay, they could've delayed it almost 2 years.

But would a Repugican POTUS offer a pardon as their first presidential act? I’d think DeSantis would be evil enough to let him get convicted and sentenced and serve time before pardoning

 

[fskimospy]

I thought the much bigger risk here was a long delay, they could've delayed it almost 2 years.

This was my fear too, same as they did with Trump’s taxes. The tax case was open and shut and they dragged it out forever.

 

[fskimospy]

But would a Repugican POTUS offer a pardon as their first presidential act? I’d think DeSantis would be evil enough to let him get convicted and sentenced and serve time before pardoning

I think it is extremely likely that any future Republican president will order the DOJ to drop the case if he’s not convicted yet or pardon him if he is.

One big problem with this plan is that Trump may also be convicted in Georgia and there’s no easy way to pardon Trump there.

 

[rommelrommel]

Yeah, The order says Thomas referred the case to the rest of the court. I'm wondering if Thomas could have supported Trump’s appeal and was outvoted? Will we get a round of Trump calling Thomas part of the deep state? Hard to think we won’t. Trump is a master at cutting off his nose to spite his face. Trump was hoping for some kind of delay, but it doesn’t look like he’s going to get any.

I'm assuming Clarence is sleeping on the couch for the rest of the week, at least.

If I understand correctly he could have granted cert, but then the whole court would rule. Putting it to the court lets him off the hook for denying himself or allowing it himself and being further exposed as a hack.

 

[Lezunto]

Yeah, yeah. I agree with the High Court. But I still do not see any handcuffs in Trump's future. Would be nice though.

Now, to the other matter. The Jan. 6 Committee subpoenaed Trump to testify. Does anyone think he will actually show up? Will he demand to testify off site?