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News Trump: Mar-a-Lago just raided by FBI

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conehead433 said:
"I feel certain that his aides etc packed the boxes." So Trump orders aides to box up documents and move them to his residence so they can be moved to Mar-A-Lago. I say that because they damn sure didn't decide to do it on their own.
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I didn't say that they did.

If you would read my post you would have seen where I stated:

"I do not believe Trump packed any paperwork, I feel certain that his aides etc packed the boxes. That being said Trump is in charge and the buck stops with him. "
 
From what I've read, outside of talking points not backed up with any evidence, it only got to this point because there was trustworthy intel indicating that not all documentation had been returned as requested (which they have apparently confirmed). And honestly, IMO, they are still treating him with kid gloves. If any one of us had done anything remotely similar you can bet the situation would've been handled a LOT differently, and not in a good way.

People need to stop crying about how unfair he was treated and see where the evidence actually leads. I really hope they did everything by the book, and used video recording to the maximum extent to help disprove all of the claims of evidence planting.
 
pcgeek11 said:
There is nothing funny about people killing themselves. The funny part is your feeble attempt to blame it on Fox News.

People with Mental issues are going to do things like this. As far as we know the reasons for the suicide is unknown. Maybe he rammed the barrier in protest of Biden....

I don't know what the second suicide you are alluding to other than possibly being the guy that was killed for attacking the FBI Office with a nail gun. I think he was killed by the FBI or Police and not a suicide.
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It ended up being Suicide by cop. Both likely wanted to take other people with them. Interesting there had been no attacks on the FBI until Fox News started yelling about how corrupt they were. Sure the people started off crazy, but Fox new weaponized that crazy and sent them out with the intent to cause harm.
 
pcgeek11 said:
Also Hog Wash.

I'm a republican and I would like to see All lawbreaker punished IAW the law with due process. I think most republicans feel this way in my experience. Nothing is absolute however.

Politicians are an entirely different subject as they are all out for themselves Dems and Reps.
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Speaking of hog wash! First off, we are talking about politicians and not just your average American. Second, not all politicians are out for themselves and if you want to generalize, there is no way in hell you can claim the democrat party is only for themselves.

Lastly, show me any policy republicans have put forth any effort on that benefits the average American, in the last 20 years.
 
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Pohemi420 said:
@pcgeek11 you can stop pretending to be moralistic and ethical any time. Everyone knows you are full of shit but perhaps yourself. I still can't tell if you've convinced yourself of all your bullshit claims or if you're just dishonest, but you sure as fuck aren't responding intelligently. In fact, you never really do.

You are a shitty creature that needs to stop wasting oxygen.
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If it bothers you so much Maybe you should partake of the Ignore feature. Then you could stop wasting your energy and calling people that disagree with you names because you have nothing else.
 
pcgeek11 said:
I didn't say that they did.

If you would read my post you would have seen where I stated:

"I do not believe Trump packed any paperwork, I feel certain that his aides etc packed the boxes. That being said Trump is in charge and the buck stops with him. "
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The wording in your post suggested that they did the packing, but not that Trump ordered them to do so, and although you say that TFG is in charge and the buck stops with him, you were inferring that they did it without Trump's orders. So go fuck yourself.
 
Zorba said:
It ended up being Suicide by cop. Both likely wanted to take other people with them. Interesting there had been no attacks on the FBI until Fox News started yelling about how corrupt they were. Sure the people started off crazy, but Fox new weaponized that crazy and sent them out with the intent to cause harm.
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I don't think Fox Sent anyone anywhere.

Expand that statement that there had been no attacks on the FBI until Fox News ...

I think there has been many attacks against the FBI before now.
 
pcgeek11 said:
There is nothing funny about people killing themselves. The funny part is your feeble attempt to blame it on Fox News.

People with Mental issues are going to do things like this. As far as we know the reasons for the suicide is unknown. Maybe he rammed the barrier in protest of Biden....

I don't know what the second suicide you are alluding to other than possibly being the guy that was killed for attacking the FBI Office with a nail gun. I think he was killed by the FBI or Police and not a suicide.
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How predictable, another conservative pulling out the victim blaming card.
 
purbeast0 said:
LOL @ "all the drama."

There was no drama. The FBI went in, got their shit without anyone knowing, and got out.

THEN that fat orange fuck had to tweet about it and THAT is how everyone found out about it, and then all of his cult members started getting on his dick as usual and the rest is history.
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@pcgeek11 who created the drama? So far your posts seem to ignore the facts posted above.
 
ivwshane said:
Speaking of hog wash! First off, we are talking about politicians and not just your average American. Second, not all politicians are out for themselves and if you want to generalize, there is no way in hell you can claim the democrat party is only for themselves.

Lastly, show me any policy republicans have forth any effort on that benefits the average American, in the last 20 years.
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HomerJS stated this:

Republicans only want people of color to be punished for law breaking. Whenever white Republicans break the law the law must be repealed or just cry "not fair" and ignore law enforcement.
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Where in that post did he say politicians?

He said republicans.

Just for one example of a Democrate out for themselves:

Nancy Pelosi
 
Meghan54 said:
Examine Trump’s political life as far back as you care to, and you’ll find the “rigged election” shit flowing from his ass each and every time he’s been involved in running for any office. Like just in case he loses, this is why, even tho there’s never a shred of proof.
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Same shit he said when his garbage TV show didn't win, the Emmys were rigged. Trump never takes responsibility for anything, he's a spoiled 12 year-old throwing fits constantly, but right wing radio with shitheads like Limbaugh and Hannity groomed the republican base to think that's what a good candidate should be.
 
conehead433 said:
The wording in your post suggested that they did the packing, but not that Trump ordered them to do so, and although you say that TFG is in charge and the buck stops with him, you were inferring that they did it without Trump's orders. So go fuck yourself.
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No I didn't infer that they packed anything without him telling them too. That is in your own mind. When I say that the buck stops with him is because he is the President and his aides work for him. He is ultimately responsible for whatever they do and what goes on under his administration.

You're just butt hurt because I corrected you and are lashing out with a "go fuck yourself". That is normal for those that have no other answers.
 
ivwshane said:
Speaking of hog wash! First off, we are talking about politicians and not just your average American. Second, not all politicians are out for themselves and if you want to generalize, there is no way in hell you can claim the democrat party is only for themselves.

Lastly, show me any policy republicans have forth any effort on that benefits the average American, in the last 20 years.
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Creation of Medicare Part D was probably the last thing, way back in 2003.
 
They've known for a very long time that they have no need for policies that benefit rural and poor Americans, regardless of color. They've put forward a long cavalcade of boogeymen (gays, trannies, the "educated elite", kneeling football players, illegals, socialists, commies (oldie but goodie), Antifa and on and on) that are the Real Problem (tm) and the supporters buy it up. It's beyond the Onion when a decorated scientist like Dr Fauci is villified during a damn Pandemic, just another example.

It's always some other group's fault why you have problems. And never look at the hand behind the curtain, the ultra-rich benefitting. Case in point, who did "tax reform" under Trump actually help? Just look at the annual incomes of those Congress members and you have your answer.

And of course they've hooked into a really ugly vein of racism and bitterness now that white Christians have to compete for a slice of the pie. That's why Maga is about returning to mythical 1953 when white Christian men ran things, and everyone else knew their proper place.
 
Pohemi420 said:
@pcgeek11 you can stop pretending to be moralistic and ethical any time. Everyone knows you are full of shit but perhaps yourself. I still can't tell if you've convinced yourself of all your bullshit claims or if you're just dishonest, but you sure as fuck aren't responding intelligently. In fact, you never really do.

You are a shitty creature that needs to stop wasting oxygen.
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I guess you don't know the origin of contempt. Stockholm Syndrome. You dump on others to get even for being dumped on yourself and made to feel like what you hope you can make others feel. If you want to talk morality try not to make the people you want to be moral feel like you were made to feel. That isn't what morality would tell you to do. Don't let Trump unearth the pain within you and make you react like he would. You are not the only one who hurts.
 
pcgeek11 said:
In this current fiasco I feel like the Raid was over the top and it could have been handled better (the documents could have been retrieved without all the drama). The rest has been proper as far as I can tell. The documents received needs to be sorted out as to what is what. All we have so far is rumors and hearsay. I do believe at a minimum he is guilty of improper handling of classified documents. I do not believe Trump packed any paperwork, I feel certain that his aides etc packed the boxes. That being said Trump is in charge and the buck stops with him.

In this forum some are ready to hang him on the White House lawn for Treason or violations of the Espionage Act. Which is asinine based on the little factual information we as the public knows at this point.
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They tried that with a subpoena and Trump lied about returning all the documents.

What were they do absent the search warrant.
 
Zorba said:
It ended up being Suicide by cop. Both likely wanted to take other people with them. Interesting there had been no attacks on the FBI until Fox News started yelling about how corrupt they were. Sure the people started off crazy, but Fox new weaponized that crazy and sent them out with the intent to cause harm.
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It's like where does he think Nazis came from, or brown shirts? The propaganda spouted by politicians and amplified by media had nothing to do with it? They have no responsibility?

How can you have a discussion with people that don't understand simple concepts
 
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