News Trump: Mar-a-Lago just raided by FBI

[fskimospy]

It still becomes a straight up political appointment controlled by whoever has the majority. We need a way to get the court beyond that. I don't care who is running the show this year or next, I want the court to rule based on the constitution. That's their job and I want them to do it. They tossed Roe back to the states which was a crappy decision, but it was a constitutional decision, so it was the right decision.
If the constitution needs to change there are mechanisms for doing that, the supreme court isn't one of them.

That’s literally what is happening now, and what we need to fix. The Supreme Court is rewriting the constitution and any laws they don’t personally agree with.

For example the EPA ruling. The law was clear the EPA had the authority to issue the regulation. The Supreme Court didn’t like the regulation though so they invented the ‘major questions’ doctrine out of thin air with no basis in the constitution.

So if you want judges to rule based on the constitution the best answer is to take their individual power away so they can’t legislate.

 

[fskimospy]

The constitution has a solution for a judicial branch that is no longer ruling based on the constitution. It is to expand the court.

 

[Fenixgoon]

gotta agree, packing the courts is the way to go.
"but repubs will pack back" sure, and then you keep going back and forth until the replacement of any 1 judge, or even a few, is meaningless.

Back on topic, trump has been experiencing a multitude of court losses in the past week. Seems like the walls are slowly closing in.

Also if I'm not mistaken, incitement of the overthrow of the government is enough to prevent one from being a federal employee....

 

[SMOGZINN]

It still becomes a straight up political appointment controlled by whoever has the majority. We need a way to get the court beyond that. I don't care who is running the show this year or next, I want the court to rule based on the constitution. That's their job and I want them to do it. They tossed Roe back to the states which was a crappy decision, but it was a constitutional decision, so it was the right decision.
If the constitution needs to change there are mechanisms for doing that, the supreme court isn't one of them.

This is what we would all like, but no one has come up with a way to accomplish it. It is basically impossible to amend the constitution in the current political climate. So If you have a solution that can actually work the world would be most interested in hearing it.

Failing any solution that can directly address the issue we have to find a solution that can indirectly address the issue, and the only one that I have heard that seems to have a chance at working is packing the court so that the political affiliation of any given justice is not so impactful.

 

[fskimospy]

This is what we would all like, but no one has come up with a way to accomplish it. It is basically impossible to amend the constitution in the current political climate. So If you have a solution that can actually work the world would be most interested in hearing it.

Failing any solution that can directly address the issue we have to find a solution that can indirectly address the issue, and the only one that I have heard that seems to have a chance at working is packing the court so that the political affiliation of any given justice is not so impactful.

It is also rarely mentioned that the constitution provides checks and balances - one of the primary checks on the judiciary is that Congress controls the number of judges and their jurisdiction.

People love to talk about judicial review as a check on the power of the political branches in case they get out of control. Well, here’s the check on the power of the judicial branch and we should use it.

What is the point to a constitutional amendment that would merely reaffirm powers congress already has?

 

[Greenman]

This is what we would all like, but no one has come up with a way to accomplish it. It is basically impossible to amend the constitution in the current political climate. So If you have a solution that can actually work the world would be most interested in hearing it.

Failing any solution that can directly address the issue we have to find a solution that can indirectly address the issue, and the only one that I have heard that seems to have a chance at working is packing the court so that the political affiliation of any given justice is not so impactful.

All very good points. My one and only issue is that packing the court is a short term solution. Every four or eight years we'd add enough members to swing the political agenda the other direction. That doesn't produce consistent government. Soon enough the courts agenda would devolve into overturning prior decisions. We need better judges, but I have no idea where to get them.

 

[JD50]

All very good points. My one and only issue is that packing the court is a short term solution. Every four or eight years we'd add enough members to swing the political agenda the other direction. That doesn't produce consistent government. Soon enough the courts agenda would devolve into overturning prior decisions. We need better judges, but I have no idea where to get them.

That is literally what is happening right now. The court is already political. I'd rather have the agenda swing to the party in power each time than permanent minority rule which is basically what we have. At least then the decisions of the court would reflect the will of the people.

 

[brycejones]

Soon enough the courts agenda would devolve into overturning prior decisions.

Dude, we're way past that point.

 

[SMOGZINN]

All very good points. My one and only issue is that packing the court is a short term solution. Every four or eight years we'd add enough members to swing the political agenda the other direction. That doesn't produce consistent government. Soon enough the courts agenda would devolve into overturning prior decisions. We need better judges, but I have no idea where to get them.

You are absolutely right, but as others have pointed out that is where we are right now. Only now it takes decades for the court to change. Just a couple of bad judges and our court can be broken. It is currently making decisions that are both politically motivated and largely unpopular. Either one of those on it's own would probably be okay (not ideal, but acceptable), both of them together will create anarchy. The courts work on the faith of the people, and they are losing that.

There is no problem finding better judges then those sitting on the high bench, there a plenty of them. The problem is that the politicians that appoint the judges are not looking for good judges, they are looking for political judges. It is but a symptom of a larger problem, namely that Congress is broken. But like many a sickness it is often the symptoms that kill you.

 

[JD50]

So Greenman tells us what he doesn't want the court to become, when in fact it has already become that and he's been voting for the people that have made it that way. lol

 

[fskimospy]

So Greenman tells us what he doesn't want the court to become, when in fact it has already become that and he's been voting for the people that have made it that way. lol

And as you imply, the people he's voting for not only have no incentive to fix it, they actively want to make it worse.

As I've said before the advantages to packing the court are:
1) Checks and balances. The judicial branch is currently usurping the power of the executive and legislative branches. It's time to return balance to the government.
2) Rule of law. The current court is often logically incoherent even within its own opinions, much less across opinions. It's outcomes based judging.
3) Lower the stakes of judicial confirmations. If a justice retires it means a lot less if there are 100 of them.
4) Negotiating leverage and the best chance to actually fix this. Tell Republicans that we can have a deal to fix the court on balanced terms for both parties (fixed term limits, every president appoints 2 or whatever, etc.) If they reject this deal Democrats will pack it big time and fill it up with Democratic partisans. Republicans may very well reject this deal but it's the best shot we have.

 

[ch33zw1z]

So Greenman tells us what he doesn't want the court to become, when in fact it has already become that and he's been voting for the people that have made it that way. lol

It's his tribe doing it, so he approves.

 

[brycejones]

It's his tribe doing it, so he approves.

Approval implies awareness, not so sure that applies to greenman.

 

[eelw]

Lol doh. Watching on tv, no link. But orange monkey lawyers hired outside group to search 4 other properties. They found classified material.

 

[allisolm]

Here's an article. It says 2 classified docs were found in a sealed box in a storage facility.

Classified Documents Found in Trump Search of Storage Site (Published 2022)

The discovery came as series of searches were conducted by a team hired by the former president, after a federal judge directed his lawyers to look for any materials still in his possession.

www.nytimes.com

 

[MrSquished]

Packing the court is a great idea, intellectually. And I actually think some progressives believe it can happen.

Therein lies the problem. It's not happening anytime soon, it's not realistic, and it shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the political environment we are actually in.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Here's an article. It says 2 classified docs were found in a sealed box in a storage facility.

Classified Documents Found in Trump Search of Storage Site (Published 2022)

The discovery came as series of searches were conducted by a team hired by the former president, after a federal judge directed his lawyers to look for any materials still in his possession.

www.nytimes.com

So what you're telling me is that "all the material was returned" was not actually "all the material was returned"
(Classified records or not, presidential records are property of the USG)

 

[fskimospy]

Packing the court is a great idea, intellectually. And I actually think some progressives believe it can happen.

Therein lies the problem. It's not happening anytime soon, it's not realistic, and it shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the political environment we are actually in.

Whether or not it's realistic isn't relevant IMO as it's the only answer. So even if the political situation now doesn't permit it you keep pushing until it does.

There is no other answer other than Congress and the president just refusing to abide by their rulings. It will eventually come to that unless we pack the court too.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Here's an article. It says 2 classified docs were found in a sealed box in a storage facility.

Classified Documents Found in Trump Search of Storage Site (Published 2022)

The discovery came as series of searches were conducted by a team hired by the former president, after a federal judge directed his lawyers to look for any materials still in his possession.

www.nytimes.com

Another fucked up aspect of all of this, that's just the physical documents. Even if Turmp was into physical documents themselves, I guarantee you others in that sphere were not and there's someone with likely phone full of pictures of classified documents. And it could be multiple people since he was so wanton with them.

 

[Dave_5k]

In completely unrelated news, Andreii Derkach was indicted in federal court for fraud and money laundering in the US, after previously being sanctioned by the Trump administration for his work as a Russian intelligence asset over the past decade. Amongst other activities, attempting to corruptly influence the 2020 US presidential election. Andreii worked directly with Mr. Guiliani, amongst others in Trump's orbit, providing false conspiracy theories about Hunter Biden's involvement with Burisma in Ukraine, which ultimately ended up contributing to one of Trump's impeachments.

Russian Intelligence Agent Charged with Fraud and Money Laundering in Connection with Purchase and Use of Luxury Beverly Hills Real Estate

“The conduct of this Kremlin asset, who was sanctioned for trying to poison our democracy, has shown he is ready, willing, and capable of exploiting our banking system in order to advance his illicit goals. The U.S. will not be a safe haven where criminals, oligarchs or sanctioned entities can...

www.justice.gov

 

[rommelrommel]

So what you're telling me is that "all the material was returned" was not actually "all the material was returned"
(Classified records or not, presidential records are property of the USG)

Also, all kept at Mar-a-lago means not all kept at Mar-a-lago.

 

[Puffnstuff]

If you don't like to read here's the latest document find.

 

[sportage]

This is really weird. We know Trump wouldn't care about any documents for historical purposes, and he's definitely not going to frame them and nail them to his bedroom wall as a keepsake, so why take the documents..... Donald?

I think it's clear, Trump had a much more sinister plot in mind. Probably concocted by Rudy or Flynn or very possibly by Steve Bannon. I don't think Trump is smart enough to care about documents especially documents Trump has never read, but someone close to Trump does care very much and is putting ideas into Trump's head.
Could it have to do with their usefulness in future blackmail schemes? Or, to bribe foreign interest? I'm sure Putin would gladly give Trump and his family safe haven in Russia for such documents, especially the documents pertaining to America nukes.

People really have not a clue as to whom they are dealing with here in this former president. And we thought Trump's orchestrated insurrection was as bad as it could get. We're not even close to what this traitor is capable of doing against America. The America where Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin share one thing in common, they both have no respect for American democracy what so ever. None!

 

[fskimospy]

This is really weird. We know Trump wouldn't care about any documents for historical purposes, and he's definitely not going to frame them and nail them to his bedroom wall as a keepsake, so why take the documents..... Donald?

I think it's clear, Trump had a much more sinister plot in mind. Probably concocted by Rudy or Flynn or very possibly by Steve Bannon. I don't think Trump is smart enough to care about documents especially documents Trump has never read, but someone close to Trump does care very much and is putting ideas into Trump's head.
Could it have to do with their usefulness in future blackmail schemes? Or, to bribe foreign interest? I'm sure Putin would gladly give Trump and his family safe haven in Russia for such documents, especially the documents pertaining to America nukes.

People really have not a clue as to whom they are dealing with here in this former president. And we thought Trump's orchestrated insurrection was as bad as it could get. We're not even close to what this traitor is capable of doing against America. The America where Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin share one thing in common, they both have no respect for American democracy what so ever. None!

I think he’s a narcissistic idiot who took things because it made him feel special.

 

[rommelrommel]

Toddler level obstinance and wilfulness is probably sufficient, although I still suspect the Saudis got something for the money they invested with Jared.