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Trump is losing the opiate war... aka MAGA!

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thraashman said:
Anyone wanna go in on a business venture with me in Trump country? I see some websites listed in the OP that we could use!
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Nice markup on Fentanyl. $1500/lb from the supplier. It's way cheaper than heroin. Round that to 500g. At 500 very strong doses per gram, that's 250K dime bags, $2.5M.

The markup on other synthetic opioids is nearly as good & they're perfectly legal, too, if you know how to play the game & feign innocence. Your pill mill dealers have the cover of a medical license, too.
 
bshole said:
That is kind of horseshit. A shit ton of middle class kids are getting killed due to this. Teen brains are still in development, they have not developed proper risk assessment and they are in follow the herd mode.

What is needed is an ad campaign on a federal level along with much more education in schools about opiates. I have gone on and on about opiates with my kids. So far they haven't done them (as far as I know).

This is certainly not Trump's or China's fault. That is just silly.
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Exactly. We need FLOTUS to do ads proclaiming "Just Say No" and tour the country spreading that message.

On a personal note, Im glad your kids arent messed up in this. Its a terrible addiction.
 
Trump holds people down and makes them take illegal drugs. Next Please.

Drug addicts are always killing themselves. Nothing new. I say dont treat the drug addicts and let them all die. More Social Security $$$ for the rest of us. It is not a crisis for me. The sad fact is that the longer we live the more pain we have. Do you really want to live longer? I am age 60.

Maybe what we really need is euthanasia! One last dose of happy juice coming up.
 
Alpha One Seven said:
It's the police that are losing the battles.
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If you mean Customs Police than I agree with you. Nothing needs to be snuck across the southern border when it can be shipped to your door via China Post. However hick town sheriffs with 3 total officers don't need to be dealing with a town full of drug zombies. I watched a Narcan documentary and these country cops are responding to an OD every day in some places. To drop a bomb on a village and then say oh well they were too weak to take care of themselves is not fair to the villagers. Plus every day there's another arrest of a drug addict cop.

I also know it's not Trump's fault that the problem exists, but he's well past the one year mark and if you'll recall Trump repeatedly likes to say how the last 4 administrations just sat on their asses; well WTF is he doing. He owns this shit now.
 
piasabird said:
Trump holds people down and makes them take illegal drugs. Next Please.

Drug addicts are always killing themselves. Nothing new. I say dont treat the drug addicts and let them all die. More Social Security $$$ for the rest of us. It is not a crisis for me. The sad fact is that the longer we live the more pain we have. Do you really want to live longer? I am age 60.

Maybe what we really need is euthanasia! One last dose of happy juice coming up.
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Is that dog years?
 
bshole said:
That is kind of horseshit. A shit ton of middle class kids are getting killed due to this. Teen brains are still in development, they have not developed proper risk assessment and they are in follow the herd mode.

What is needed is an ad campaign on a federal level along with much more education in schools about opiates. I have gone on and on about opiates with my kids. So far they haven't done them (as far as I know).

This is certainly not Trump's or China's fault. That is just silly.
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Nope not Trump's fault. Trump's responsibility.
 
KB said:
Fake news! Trump during his inauguration speech said the drug problem "ends right here and right now". 😉

Congress doesn't really seem to care. Opiodes are killing more people than guns, yet liberals just want to focus on banning guns and conservatives just want to ban abortions and strip people of their healthcare.
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I certainly agree with this. I know that states are going after the drug companies but the Feds have their heads up their asses and the states cannot do anything to stop the shipments. That needs to come from the Feds.
 
IronWing said:
I lost a relative to opioids and I assign responsibility as follows:

My relative
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his doctor (all drugs he took were legally prescribed)
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no one else
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If the doctor could not hide behind the law he could not kill so many people. Trump can change the laws but won't. His responsibility.
Also, of course we all have personal responsibility. No argument there.
 
1sikbITCH said:
America is at war on several different fronts. The Russians are directing our politics and the Chinese are destroying us in not only trade as Trump is so fixated on but also they are killing our population, draining our resources, and distracting us. Distracting us from what? Who knows what else they are up to, we are not even paying attention.

Today's article, from what is evidently a right wing news source by that survey Doc posted:
http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/377414-new-data-shows-opioid-crisis-is-just-getting-worse

Ironically, it seems like Trump country is most affected:

Rust Belt states have been hardest hit, with emergency room visits rising 108 percent in Wisconsin, 80 percent in Pennsylvania and 65 percent in Illinois. Indiana and Ohio also experienced substantial growth in overdose treatments. And Trump does nothing.

You can hop on the internet right now and find many sources in China that will ship you a pound or a kilo or a C-30 full of China White on a daily basis if you so desire, so that you can supply your trailer park or village and that is what folks are doing. And Trump does nothing.

Buying opioids from China, despite legal prohibitions, remains as easy as providing money and a shipping address. A drug bazaar thrives on Chinese websites, providing one-stop shopping for users around the world.

On Weiku.com, a website based in the eastern city of Hangzhou, close to 100 Chinese companies say they sell fentanyl, a powerful synthetic opioid. Vendors on one Beijing-based website, Mfrbee.com, sell chicken nuggets, basketball jerseys and carfentanil, the elephant tranquilizer that is 10,000 times as potent as morphine. A Shanghai-based chemical company, Shanghai Kaiwodun Biochemical, says it offers the designer drug U-47700 for $1,450 a pound.

Trump admitted that China is flooding the population with Fentanyl but has chosen to ignore the problem. And yet, Trump does nothing.

This is only a few degrees of magnitude different than when Ronald Reagan traded cash and guns to the Contras in order to ship cocaine into black population centers.

Trump is not shipping drugs like Reagan did but he is certainly turning the other cheek, presumably because he believes it benefits him to allow it to continue. Or is he just stupid? Not sure.

Anyone think Trump will EVER do something about this? China is dumping tons and tons of Fentanyl into America and Trump ignores it to go fight with Canada over border taxes. This is bullshit.

China 1
USA nothingburger

We need leadership not lies.
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This is a misreading of the situation. China is only at fault for providing enterprising american entrepreneurs on opportunity to make a profit. They are not at fault for the Opioid Crisis itself. The demand for the drugs is there regardless of who provides the supply. If not for China, it would be cartels and clandestine laboratories. At least this way, with China selling to anyone, Americans can make a buck by selling to their disease afflicted countrymen. They also usually get a higher quality product than they would from mexican cartels.


The opioid crisis has been decades in the making and is largely the fault of the DEA and US drug companies conspiring to make millions of americans into addicts.


The real solution would be to decriminalize drug use and offer free treatment and work programs to addicts but here in America we like to punish sick people so that will never happen.


Realistically, the best we can hope for is we pass laws that allow addicts to buy narcan and that somehow the addicts learn to use it.
 
He came on strong talking about the problem, but as of this article hadn't actually spent any money on the issue.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/us/politics/trump-opioid-crisis.html

"We are going to overcome addiction in this country." When you come out and spout simplistic horseshit about how the problem will go away, you deserve criticism when it magically doesn't. But that's Trump in a nutshell. For instance, when the market is high, it's to his credit. When it's low...crickets. Or it's Obama's fault somehow....

Meanwhile, Sessions is going on about reefer madness like it's 1940.
 
There is exactly one nation in the world who has implemented a winning solution to drug addiction: Portugal. They didn't accomplish it by giving more money to cops or by making punishment more harsh. They came up with a novel idea: give medical help to the addicts. It worked.

Drug addiction rates: down
Drug abuse rates: down
Underage drug usage rates: down
HIV rates: down
Overdose rates: down
Drug death rates: down
Drug related violence rates: down
Money spent fighting drugs: down

It doesn't matter where you lie on the political spectrum: Portugal won and they won huge. Our model of trying to prison-rape the addiction out of addicts benefits only the prison guards, cops, lawyers, judges, etc. They KNOW this model isn't working and they don't give any shits as long as they get their paychecks.
 
bshole said:
That is kind of horseshit. A shit ton of middle class kids are getting killed due to this. Teen brains are still in development, they have not developed proper risk assessment and they are in follow the herd mode.

What is needed is an ad campaign on a federal level along with much more education in schools about opiates. I have gone on and on about opiates with my kids. So far they haven't done them (as far as I know).

This is certainly not Trump's or China's fault. That is just silly.
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Stupid enough to take deadly risks is stupid enough to die. Stupidity knows no financial, racial or social boundaries.
 
Pipeline 1010 said:
There is exactly one nation in the world who has implemented a winning solution to drug addiction: Portugal. They didn't accomplish it by giving more money to cops or by making punishment more harsh. They came up with a novel idea: give medical help to the addicts. It worked.

Drug addiction rates: down
Drug abuse rates: down
Underage drug usage rates: down
HIV rates: down
Overdose rates: down
Drug death rates: down
Drug related violence rates: down
Money spent fighting drugs: down

It doesn't matter where you lie on the political spectrum: Portugal won and they won huge. Our model of trying to prison-rape the addiction out of addicts benefits only the prison guards, cops, lawyers, judges, etc. They KNOW this model isn't working and they don't give any shits as long as they get their paychecks.
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Agree to all of that, but there is one thing here at play that wasn't in Portugal: a large, firmly entrenched for-profit prison industry that lobbies as much as any other major interest group. I disagree it's all about money though. Many states consider our current failed approach to be more in line with their social authoritarian, christian mindset. I don't see them changing their minds anytime soon either, doesn't seem like counter-productive and/or wasteful policies concern them much these days.
 
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kage69 said:
Agree to all of that, but there is one thing here at play that wasn't in Portugal: a large, firmly entrenched for-profit prison industry that lobbies as much as any other major interest group.
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I am told that the prison guard union is the most powerful union in the state of California. This is difficult to believe, but does explain some things. For profit or not, the prison union wants prisoners.

kage69 said:
I disagree it's all about money though.
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It is ALWAYS about money. Yes, the useful idiots line up for their various reasons, but in the end, it is always about money.

kage69 said:
Many states consider our current failed approach to be more in line with their social authoritarian, christian mindset.
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This social authoritarianism is very disappointing. Yes, Jesus in the bible tells people how to live, but he never demanded it by force.

kage69 said:
I don't see them changing their minds anytime soon either, doesn't seem like counter-productive and/or wasteful policies concern them much these days.
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I kind of hope the whole "spend less tax dollars" and "reduce drug addiction" parts might be especially attractive.
 
I think the Trumpcare are that covers everyone with affordable Care and so many choices will help with this. There's still time, it's gonna happen. Oh, and buttery malez.
 
Pipeline 1010 said:
There is exactly one nation in the world who has implemented a winning solution to drug addiction: Portugal. They didn't accomplish it by giving more money to cops or by making punishment more harsh. They came up with a novel idea: give medical help to the addicts. It worked.

Drug addiction rates: down
Drug abuse rates: down
Underage drug usage rates: down
HIV rates: down
Overdose rates: down
Drug death rates: down
Drug related violence rates: down
Money spent fighting drugs: down

It doesn't matter where you lie on the political spectrum: Portugal won and they won huge. Our model of trying to prison-rape the addiction out of addicts benefits only the prison guards, cops, lawyers, judges, etc. They KNOW this model isn't working and they don't give any shits as long as they get their paychecks.
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That isn't how wars are won. Wars are won with death and destruction. The US are no quitters /s
 
You order it on the internet and it gets shipped direct. There is so much coming through the mail these days you really have to be super unlucky to get caught.

Heroin was bad enough but America has been dealing with heroin for decades. Fentanyl is dropping bodies left and right. Kills the addicts, kills cops conducting searches, and kills paramedics responding. Fentanyl is shipped out of China for pennies straight to your door. You mix it with the heroin to make the much more expensive heroin stretch farther. Now that the addicts understand that it's the F that makes it stronger, they don't want straight heroin. The more people it kills, the more the other addicts want it. Everyone thinks they are stronger than that guy who couldn't handle it. They are wrong.

Kind of weird you haven't seen this in the news.
 
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