Trump haters shut down road in AZ

[OutHouse]

he cannot ban an entire group of people based upon their religious affiliation.
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why cant a president do this?

 

[swamplizard]

Should we find you a safe space?

The space between his ears? 😀

 

[pcgeek11]

Get over it, things do not work that way in reality.

Get over what? Nothing to get over.

You are the one making false claims that Trump is inciting riots.

You are just butt hurt you were called out for it.

 

[MongGrel]

Get over what? Nothing to get over.

You are the one making false claims that Trump is inciting riots.

You are just butt hurt you were called out for it.

🙄

 

[Brian Stirling]

I might protest trump!


If only to increase his chances of being nominated and to stick it to Cruz and the establishment.

As much as I dislike Trump it's Cruz that really scares me. I've said it before but I really think Cruz is a sociopath and if you think narcissists are bad...


Brian

 

[Fern]

Again, that's applicable to

1. Citizens
2. People on the ground

as far as I can tell.

Show me where non-citizens, who are trying to travel here internationally, have to be admitted through customs.

The Constitution doesn't mention anything about prohibiting immigration on the basis of religion. What the Constitution does say is that Congress has authority over immigration and naturalization. I've never seen any immigration law that addresses the issue. Congress has a number of laws against discrimination on the basis of religion, but those apply to US citizens etc and none mention immigrating.

In any case, sensible people understand that Trump was talking about Arab Muslims, primarily those from Syria, for whom we have no information and who may have forged passports. His remarks were made just after San Bernardino shooting and the revelation of how little we knew of the woman's background. His phrase "until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on,” is a dead give away. Otherwise, Trump has a habit of phrasing things far too "sloppily' thus leading to misunderstanding, both honestly and dishonestly.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

The Constitution doesn't mention anything about prohibiting immigration on the basis of religion. What the Constitution does say is that Congress has authority over immigration and naturalization. I've never seen any immigration law that addresses the issue. Congress has a number of laws against discrimination on the basis of religion, but those apply to US citizens etc and none mention immigrating.

In any case, sensible people understand that Trump was talking about Arab Muslims, primarily those from Syria, for whom we have no information and who may have forged passports. His remarks were made just after San Bernardino shooting and the revelation of how little we knew of the woman's background. His phrase "until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on,” is a dead give away. Otherwise, Trump has a habit of phrasing things far too "sloppily' thus leading to misunderstanding, both honestly and dishonestly.

Fern

I don't think 'sensible people' understand that at all, considering he's never said that he only meant Arab Muslims that I am aware of. Do you have a link to this?

Oddly enough even if he did mean only Arab Muslims then he would be exempting Muslims from Somalia, Pakistan and Afghanistan from this ban, which would be strange considering its supposed justification by terrorist activity. So either you're wrong about his plan or his plan came from a place of such total incompetence that it is failing at even its own (horrible) goals.

I wouldn't be surprised if even Trump doesn't know what he actually means and/or that meaning changes whenever it's convenient. It is odd that you would try to say that other people are misunderstanding him dishonestly though, considering his long, long history of pathological dishonesty.

 

[Fern]

I don't think 'sensible people' understand that at all, considering he's never said that he only meant Arab Muslims that I am aware of. Do you have a link to this?

You failed to read, comprehend or acknowledge this portion of my remarks:

primarily those from Syria, for whom we have no information and who may have forged passports. His remarks were made just after San Bernardino shooting and the revelation of how little we knew of the woman's background. His phrase "until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on,” is a dead give away.

Oddly enough even if he did mean only Arab Muslims then he would be exempting Muslims from Somalia, Pakistan and Afghanistan from this ban, which would be strange considering its supposed justification by terrorist activity. So either you're wrong about his plan or his plan came from a place of such total incompetence that it is failing at even its own (horrible) goals.

Again, the issue was that we don't know who the people applying for visa's are, or really anything about them (including such basic info as their address). That is the issue, so yes, Pakistan may well need be included. (IIRC, the woman in question came from Pakistan, no?)

I wouldn't be surprised if even Trump doesn't know what he actually means and/or that meaning changes whenever it's convenient. It is odd that you would try to say that other people are misunderstanding him dishonestly though, considering his long, long history of pathological dishonesty.

I have already said that Trump speaks 'sloppily'. Still there are many who purposefully misconstrue his remarks. The 'all Mexicans are rapists' junk is another example.

Fern

 

[flexy]

who purposefully misconstrue his remarks. The 'all Mexicans are rapists' junk is another example.

Fern

He said something on the lines of "they are rapists, they are criminals, AND SOME of them, I guess, are good people".

You don't need a degree in rocket science to "decode" this sentence and how it was said and what is implied.

The cynical "and some, I guess, are good people" implies that indeed MOST are criminals and rapists, in this context.

We could debate now the difference between "most" and "all", but this is semantics. Whether he said/implied MOST are criminals/rapists or "ALL" doesn't really matter. One would be as false as the other, one would be as insulting to Mexicans as the other. Most/All....irrelevant semantics, meaning is pretty much the same.

Nothing here is "purposefully misconstrued".

 

[Fern]

He said something on the lines of "they are rapists, they are criminals, AND SOME of them, I guess, are good people".

Of import is that he was speaking of illegal immigrants, not the entire population of Mexico, which you have managed to ignore in your response.

You don't need a degree in rocket science to "decode" this sentence and how it was said and what is implied.

Welp. there you go. "Misconstrue" is now "decode".

The cynical "and some, I guess, are good people" implies that indeed MOST are criminals and rapists.

"Cynical"? How does one arrive at the conclusion that "some are good people" is cynical? No bias there, nope none at all.

We could debate now the difference between "most" and "all", but this is semantics. Whether he said/implied MOST are criminals/rapists or "ALL" doesn't really matter. One would be as false as the other, one would be as insulting to Mexicans as the other. Most/All....irrelevant semantics, meaning is pretty much the same.

Semantics indeed.

Nothing here is "purposefully misconstrued".

I disagree; your entire post is. "Illegal immigrants", who are law breakers by virtue illegally immigrating, actually means everyone in Mexico, cuz, you know, you can decode.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

You failed to read, comprehend or acknowledge this portion of my remarks:

Again, the issue was that we don't know who the people applying for visa's are, or really anything about them (including such basic info as their address). That is the issue, so yes, Pakistan may well need be included. (IIRC, the woman in question came from Pakistan, no?)

No, I understood you perfectly well, I'm just not aware of any evidence for your interpretation. So now instead of Arabs he just meant some nebulous collection of states with Muslims in them? What about Indonesia?

I have already said that Trump speaks 'sloppily'. Still there are many who purposefully misconstrue his remarks. The 'all Mexicans are rapists' junk is another example.

Fern

The 'Mexicans are rapists' wasn't misconstrued either. Sometimes I hear people try to justify it by saying that illegal immigrants are rapists, but that's insanely racist too.

I think you might have to accept that Trump is a racist ignoramus. I sincerely hope you wouldn't actually consider supporting this idiot. He's an embarrassment.

 

[fskimospy]

Of import is that he was speaking of illegal immigrants, not the entire population of Mexico, which you have managed to ignore in your response.



Welp. there you go. "Misconstrue" is now "decode".



"Cynical"? How does one arrive at the conclusion that "some are good people" is cynical? No bias there, nope none at all.



Semantics indeed.



I disagree; your entire post is. "Illegal immigrants", who are law breakers by virtue illegally immigrating, actually means everyone in Mexico, cuz, you know, you can decode.

Fern

Imagine if someone said 'Americans are rapists but some, I assume are good people'.

Now do you understand?

 

[xgsound]

He said something on the lines of "they are rapists, they are criminals, AND SOME of them, I guess, are good people".

You don't need a degree in rocket science to "decode" this sentence and how it was said and what is implied.

The cynical "and some, I guess, are good people" implies that indeed MOST are criminals and rapists, in this context.

We could debate now the difference between "most" and "all", but this is semantics. Whether he said/implied MOST are criminals/rapists or "ALL" doesn't really matter. One would be as false as the other, one would be as insulting to Mexicans as the other. Most/All....irrelevant semantics, meaning is pretty much the same.

Nothing here is "purposefully misconstrued".

Most or all was not said by Trump. That is the fact. Since it was not said including all is akin to mind reading. They tend to call their mind reading dog whistle or code word. If all is unimportant why do against Trump people ALWAYS include all and repeat it 3 times each time it is mentioned?

Jim

 

[nickqt]

Most or all was not said by Trump. That is the fact. Since it was not said including all is akin to mind reading. They tend to call their mind reading dog whistle or code word. If all is unimportant why do against Trump people ALWAYS include all and repeat it 3 times each time it is mentioned?

Jim

No, we just have to read critically and carefully to make sense of the jumble of nouns and verbs that are thrown together, whether it's from Strongman Trump, or you.

 

[thraashman]

why cant a president do this?

Legal scholars would tend to say this is the reason why

 

[sportage]

And Trump just won the state of AZ.
By A LOT !!!! 😀

Sanders supporters should better use their time and energy knocking on doors for.... Bernie.
Bernie just tanked in AZ.
By A LOT!!!
D:

 

[compuwiz1]

And Trump just won the state of AZ.
By A LOT !!!! 😀

Sanders supporters should better use their time and energy knocking on doors for.... Bernie.
Bernie just tanked in AZ.
By A LOT!!!
D:

You don't think he won because of that pesky little illegal immigrant problem they have over there, do you? Big protests in Arizona, then he wins. Big protests in Chicago, then he wins that state. California, here he comes! 😀

 

[soundforbjt]

And Trump just won the state of AZ.
By A LOT !!!! 😀

Sanders supporters should better use their time and energy knocking on doors for.... Bernie.
Bernie just tanked in AZ.
By A LOT!!!
D:

Rubio came in third ahead of Kasich.
Trump's getting hammered so far in Utah, third right now...
Bernie's winning good in Utah so far...

 

[MongGrel]

Get over what? Nothing to get over.

You are the one making false claims that Trump is inciting riots.

You are just butt hurt you were called out for it.

The Say-Anything Campaign

http://reason.com/archives/2016/03/18/the-say-anything-campaign

 

[sportage]

Rubio came in third ahead of Kasich.
Trump's getting hammered so far in Utah, third right now...
Bernie's winning good in Utah so far...

Yeah Utah.... Go figure.
A Mormon state voting for a fundamentalist fanatic.
And Mitt Romney is their God, more or less.

Cruz can win these states, because few there are.

 

[mikeymikec]

nvm

 

[IGBT]

The Democrat Party owns all the street and mob violence..their funding and finger prints are all over it.

 

[IronWing]

The Democrat Party owns all the street and mob violence..their funding and finger prints are all over it.

Welcome back! I've missed your inciteful posts.

 

[nickqt]

The Democrat Party owns all the street and mob violence..their funding and finger prints are all over it.

Hey, look!

It's the guy who thinks gas at $1.84 during an ongoing economic collapse is a good thing, and that gas at $1.84 not during an ongoing economic collapse should just be silently ignored.

"Democrat" party. Everyone playing at home, take a shot!

Keep on keepin on!

 

[BurnItDwn]

Trump will continue to win all the states since his is running in the republican primary, and 100% of the other candidates are 100% out of touch with the world. Ted Cruz, come on, the guy is fucking awful. Marco Rubio, he is more or less a handsome puppet. John Kasich, well, he might be subtle and trick some people into liking him, but, anybody who looks at his record will see that he is anti-education, anti-women, and just generally a sneaky dickish bastard. Shit they even had an Antivaxxer who was also a Doctor running. Carson was so out of touch with reality it's not even funny.

So, Anyhow, Trump is the least awful of the people who are going to try to run against Hillary or Bernie (I admit, Bernie's got very difficult uphill battle.)


Trump is intentionally very divisive and acidic. He intentionally is drawing as much fire as he can. Bad publicity is better than no publicity.

Trump is more or less a lying liar on ever level. He is a fantastic stage performer. He is a rock star. He is a celebrity. He will win a vast majority of the starstruck republican base. He will go on to give a tough run against whomever he runs against on the democratic party.

People are angry, his is capitalizing on the anger, and turning everybody against each other. He is a cult of the personality.