Trump Hat Causes University Spat

[Vic]

People are innocent until proven guilty.

People say trump is a raciest, prove it.

People say trump is opposed to immigration, prove it. All I hear trump talk about is securing our borders and enforcing current laws.

The lady in the video was spouting hate comments, nothing more.

Cognitive dissonance, thy name is Texashiker.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

drumpf is the truthiest and the raceist!

 

[Ackmed]

Of course not as there is not actually any evidence that such a thing happened, it's just one guy's claim. Surely you aren't trying to compare the ranting of one guy to a case brought against the Trump organization, which was in fact backed by loads of evidence.

Ok, so go back to the 90's and Hillary calling certain blacks super predators. Obviously racist, and she's since said she shouldn't have used that term. Still doesn't mean she doesn't think it's true today. People can change, or are least appear to change. She can't always admit when blatantly lying though, but neither can Trump. They both share that bad quality which is not a good thing.

 

[fskimospy]

Ok, so go back to the 90's and Hillary calling certain blacks super predators. Obviously racist, and she's since said she shouldn't have used that term. Still doesn't mean she doesn't think it's true today. People can change, or are least appear to change. She can't always admit when blatantly lying though, but neither can Trump. They both share that bad quality which is not a good thing.

She has actually explicitly said that the 'super predator' label was wrong. Trump literally never says that he was wrong in the past, just look at the whole birther nonsense. Even when blatantly confronted with the fact that he was wrong he tried to blame someone else instead of own up to his own failures.

This is actually an excellent example of how different they are.

 

[disappoint]

She has actually explicitly said that the 'super predator' label was wrong. Trump literally never says that he was wrong in the past, just look at the whole birther nonsense. Even when blatantly confronted with the fact that he was wrong he tried to blame someone else instead of own up to his own failures.

This is actually an excellent example of how different they are.

Trump did recently make a statement that Barack Obama was born in the United States. So he did change his mind about it.

 

[fskimospy]

Trump did recently make a statement that Barack Obama was born in the United States. So he did change his mind about it.

Nope, he never actually said during the birther nonsense that Obama wasn't born in the US, he was simply 'asking questions'. At the press conference he simultaneously tried to brag about closing the issue and then tried to blame his birtherism on someone else. No apology, no admission of error.

I'm not sure why you keep trying to apologize for this sociopath.

 

[agent00f]

It's at the very least undeniable that Trump appeals to racists. It's pretty hard to deny that the white nationalist option in the gop field won their primary and seems to appeal to the same voters as the gop always does. Trump's unique appeal to folks who harbor deep racial resentment is simply a matter of fact: https://thewpsa.wordpress.com/2016/03/27/racial-resentment-and-the-rise-of-donald-trump/, http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/09/daily-chart-8

 

[Ackmed]

You can make the argument that Hillary appeals to racists too. Racism isn't only white to other races. It most certainly is also from other races against white. Or the same race against each other. Obama just called for all blacks to vote Hillary, there are plenty of black racist. Trying to act like it's a one sided problem is ignorant and false.

She has actually explicitly said that the 'super predator' label was wrong. Trump literally never says that he was wrong in the past, just look at the whole birther nonsense. Even when blatantly confronted with the fact that he was wrong he tried to blame someone else instead of own up to his own failures.

This is actually an excellent example of how different they are.

I said she stated she shouldn't have used it, but good job repeating what I said? She did said it, then said she shouldn't have said it. Could still believe it.

Has she ever "explicitly said" she was never under 'sniper fire'? Nope, just denied and lied.

Fact is, both have a bad habit of it. I'd say Trump is worse, he usually just doubles down. Just don't try to claim he's the only one who does it, but like most things here I'm sure it'll keep happening.

 

[fskimospy]

You can make the argument that Hillary appeals to racists too. Racism isn't only white to other races. It most certainly is also from other races against white. Or the same race against each other. Obama just called for all blacks to vote Hillary, there are plenty of black racist. Trying to act like it's a one sided problem is ignorant and false.



I said she stated she shouldn't have used it, but good job repeating what I said? She did said it, then said she shouldn't have said it. Could still believe it.

Has she ever "explicitly said" she was never under 'sniper fire'? Nope, just denied and lied.

Fact is, both have a bad habit of it. I'd say Trump is worse, he usually just doubles down. Just don't try to claim he's the only one who does it, but like most things here I'm sure it'll keep happening.

Uhmm, she most certainly did retract her statement about sniper fire. I'm pretty sure you have been corrected on that in the past.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...nald-trump/trump-clinton-bosnia-sniper-story/

All politicians lie sometimes, but the two politicians in question aren't even in the same ballpark. Hell, no politician has ever been in the same league as Trump when it comes to the character or frequency of his dishonesty.

Similarly, I'm sure there are racists on both sides but no campaign in a long time has been as explicitly racial as Trump's. Equating the two is dangerous because it lets racists off the hook.

 

[JockoJohnson]

She has actually explicitly said that the 'super predator' label was wrong. Trump literally never says that he was wrong in the past, just look at the whole birther nonsense. Even when blatantly confronted with the fact that he was wrong he tried to blame someone else instead of own up to his own failures.

This is actually an excellent example of how different they are.

So the difference between Trump and Hillary? Trump doesn't admit he is wrong when he gets called on his BS. Hillary apologizes when she gets called on it. It doesn't mean she is really sorry or anything. If anything, it is probably the only time she tells the truth. She admitted that she shouldn't have said it. Like Ackmed said, it doesn't mean she still doesn't think it.

 

[fskimospy]

So the difference between Trump and Hillary? Trump doesn't admit he is wrong when he gets called on his BS. Hillary apologizes when she gets called on it. It doesn't mean she is really sorry or anything. If anything, it is probably the only time she tells the truth. She admitted that she shouldn't have said it. Like Ackmed said, it doesn't mean she still doesn't think it.

So just to be clear, you think the only time Clinton is being honest is when she admits she said something wrong or dishonest. That's both illogical and completely at odds with observable reality.

Again, trying to compare the two is just an exercise in false equivalence. While no politician is completely honest, Trump is an order of magnitude more dishonest than anyone who has come before him. If people don't acknowledge that they are just encouraging him and letting him get away with it. If I were a politician looking to run in 2020 my first takeaway from Trump's candidacy is that there's no need to have your campaign statements even modestly resemble the truth. Just say whatever you want and let false equivalence do the rest.

 

[mizzou]

It's at the very least undeniable that Trump appeals to racists. It's pretty hard to deny that the white nationalist option in the gop field won their primary and seems to appeal to the same voters as the gop always does. Trump's unique appeal to folks who harbor deep racial resentment is simply a matter of fact: https://thewpsa.wordpress.com/2016/03/27/racial-resentment-and-the-rise-of-donald-trump/, http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/09/daily-chart-8

"folks who harbor deep racial resentment"

Same goes for the left bud. This election is polarized on both sides. Vote 3rd party!

 

[JockoJohnson]

So just to be clear, you think the only time Clinton is being honest is when she admits she said something wrong or dishonest. That's both illogical and completely at odds with observable reality.

Again, trying to compare the two is just an exercise in false equivalence. While no politician is completely honest, Trump is an order of magnitude more dishonest than anyone who has come before him. If people don't acknowledge that they are just encouraging him and letting him get away with it. If I were a politician looking to run in 2020 my first takeaway from Trump's candidacy is that there's no need to have your campaign statements even modestly resemble the truth. Just say whatever you want and let false equivalence do the rest.

I wasn't being serious. It is however funny that most of the time, people only apologize when they get caught or called on something. There never appears to be a "proactive apology". And even then, they apologize for pretty much getting caught...not for the actual belief. I am not speaking of just Hillary in this instance.

And I already gave up on the political system. I assume that anything any politician says is a lie. Either that or there is a hidden meaning in what they say. And I don't believe I am the only one who thinks this way. Look at how everyone on these boards interprets what Hillary and Trump say.

 

[Ackmed]

Uhmm, she most certainly did retract her statement about sniper fire. I'm pretty sure you have been corrected on that in the past.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...nald-trump/trump-clinton-bosnia-sniper-story/

Hardly. She said she "misspoke" and "made a mistake", claiming ;'I say a lot of things -- millions of words a day -- so if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement,".

She didn't have a slip of the tongue, she flat out lied. She knew what she said at the time. Then never admitting she lied. There is literally no way to confuse what she did for just misspeaking. To confuse getting shot at coming off the plane to being greeted by children. If you can't see that, then I'm sorry for you.

The whole point of me even bringing it up, it to say what I have before. That both sides are guilty of it, and virtually everything else. Both sides like to point out the errors of the other, while being hypocritical because they've done it too. "Make America Great Again" is racist? Bill Clinton had used that exact phrase multiple times before, yet now campaigning for his wife, it's suddenly racist? That's at hypocritical as you can get.

Both sides have racists, yet the left ties to use it more. You don't think some black people voted for Obama just because he was black and the other was white? Yes it happened. Just as some voted against Obama just because he was black and the other was white. It's wrong doing it either way. Both sides have plenty of racists. Both sides have liars. Both sides have almost all the same problems. People defending one side or the other on topics that their side is guilty of is silly. "But your side does it more!" That's typically what goes on around here. The simple fact that you're defending Clinton about sniper fire shows you're such a person. Scream out loud when one does it, not when yours does it. It's hypocritical, but whatever. Both sides have people on here who do it.

 

[fskimospy]

Hardly. She said she "misspoke" and "made a mistake", claiming ;'I say a lot of things -- millions of words a day -- so if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement,".

She didn't have a slip of the tongue, she flat out lied. She knew what she said at the time. Then never admitting she lied. There is literally no way to confuse what she did for just misspeaking. To confuse getting shot at coming off the plane to being greeted by children. If you can't see that, then I'm sorry for you.

There are not enough eyerolls for the 'she said she was wrong but didn't say she was wrong in this particular way'. You said she 'lied and denied', which she did not, as she didn't deny anything. By your own standard you need to come out and say 'I lied'. Something tells me you won't be doing that.

The whole point of me even bringing it up, it to say what I have before. That both sides are guilty of it, and virtually everything else. Both sides like to point out the errors of the other, while being hypocritical because they've done it too. "Make America Great Again" is racist? Bill Clinton had used that exact phrase multiple times before, yet now campaigning for his wife, it's suddenly racist? That's at hypocritical as you can get.

Both sides have racists, yet the left ties to use it more. You don't think some black people voted for Obama just because he was black and the other was white? Yes it happened. Just as some voted against Obama just because he was black and the other was white. It's wrong doing it either way. Both sides have plenty of racists. Both sides have liars. Both sides have almost all the same problems. People defending one side or the other on topics that their side is guilty of is silly. "But your side does it more!" That's typically what goes on around here. The simple fact that you're defending Clinton about sniper fire shows you're such a person. Scream out loud when one does it, not when yours does it. It's hypocritical, but whatever. Both sides have people on here who do it.

Trying to pretend that both sides are equal is unbelievably silly. People like to try and pretend saying 'a pox on both your houses' is somehow a mark of impartiality or maturity when it comes to politics when it's actually the exact opposite. One of the greatest problems we have with political media today is this bias towards false equivalence. You see it all the time, with climate change reporting, with political reporting, etc. True impartiality requires that you consider not only if someone has ever lied, but the frequency and severity of those lies.

I find it funny that people so often decry political correctness and then do what you're doing here, which is basically the epitome of political correctness. Both sides have liars and racists, but one side has a hell of a lot more racists and their candidate is a hell of a lot more of a liar. You can't be afraid to call a spade a spade.

 

[Jaskalas]

True impartiality requires that you consider not only if someone has ever lied, but the frequency and severity of those lies.

Words are one thing, actions are another. Hillary as Secretary of State pushed for regime change in Libya, and once achieve she used Benghazi to arm terrorists in Syria. Many of whom later became ISIS. The frequency and severity of Hillary Clinton's Neocon policy is disgusting, and disqualifying.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Words are one thing, actions are another. Hillary as Secretary of State pushed for regime change in Libya, and once achieve she used Benghazi to arm terrorists in Syria. Many of whom later became ISIS. The frequency and severity of Hillary Clinton's Neocon policy is disgusting, and disqualifying.

Yes, we should have someone in the whitehouse who said
"I’m good at war,” he said. “I’ve had a lot of wars of my own. I’m really good at war. I love war in a certain way, but only when we win.”

That's coming from a draft-dodging asshat who has zero military experience, let alone ever experience the horrors of actual war. And I do agree that hillary is far too hawkish, I don't think she's ever lauded war or stated she's 'good at war'

 

[HamburgerBoy]

And I do agree that hillary is far too hawkish, I don't think she's ever lauded war or stated she's 'good at war'

"We came, we saw, he died. "

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

"We came, we saw, he died. "

Close, but that was about a specific action. Did she say she 'loves war' or is 'really good at war'

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Probably not, she's not an idiot. It's enough to tell me that she gets off on "democracy building" anyways.

 

[fskimospy]

Words are one thing, actions are another. Hillary as Secretary of State pushed for regime change in Libya, and once achieve she used Benghazi to arm terrorists in Syria. Many of whom later became ISIS. The frequency and severity of Hillary Clinton's Neocon policy is disgusting, and disqualifying.

Trump supported regime change in Libya and wants to invade Syria with 30,000 troops. His neocon policy is VASTLY worse than anything Clinton has done.

Do you believe this is disqualifying for Trump? If not, why?

 

[agent00f]

"folks who harbor deep racial resentment"

Same goes for the left bud. This election is polarized on both sides. Vote 3rd party!

Not sure if you have trouble reading or just don't care about facts, but those studies show different.

 

[Zstream]

Are you guys seriously going on and on and on about this stuff? The chick is clearly in the wrong, no matter what political viewpoint you're from, a flipping hat with no logo or bad language is not wrong! No wonder this country is going crazy..

 

[agent00f]

Hardly. She said she "misspoke" and "made a mistake", claiming ;'I say a lot of things -- millions of words a day -- so if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement,".

She didn't have a slip of the tongue, she flat out lied. She knew what she said at the time. Then never admitting she lied. There is literally no way to confuse what she did for just misspeaking. To confuse getting shot at coming off the plane to being greeted by children. If you can't see that, then I'm sorry for you.

The whole point of me even bringing it up, it to say what I have before. That both sides are guilty of it, and virtually everything else. Both sides like to point out the errors of the other, while being hypocritical because they've done it too. "Make America Great Again" is racist? Bill Clinton had used that exact phrase multiple times before, yet now campaigning for his wife, it's suddenly racist? That's at hypocritical as you can get.

She was clearly selectively emphasizing parts of the story for effect, same as you often might to push a narrative, presumably without accusing yourself of being a liar. For example, when someone you dislike selectively emphasizing parts of the story for effect you evidently accuse them of being a liar on the level of trump.

Both sides have racists, yet the left ties to use it more. You don't think some black people voted for Obama just because he was black and the other was white? Yes it happened. Just as some voted against Obama just because he was black and the other was white. It's wrong doing it either way. Both sides have plenty of racists. Both sides have liars. Both sides have almost all the same problems. People defending one side or the other on topics that their side is guilty of is silly. "But your side does it more!" That's typically what goes on around here. The simple fact that you're defending Clinton about sniper fire shows you're such a person. Scream out loud when one does it, not when yours does it. It's hypocritical, but whatever. Both sides have people on here who do it.

Just a heads up that the same black people and most other minorities are voting for clinton or pretty much any anyone over the GOP. Probably has something to do with the way the latter's fans would choose the white nationalist option for presidency.

 

[Roflmouth]

There are not enough eyerolls for the 'she said she was wrong but didn't say she was wrong in this particular way'. You said she 'lied and denied', which she did not, as she didn't deny anything. By your own standard you need to come out and say 'I lied'. Something tells me you won't be doing that.



Trying to pretend that both sides are equal is unbelievably silly. People like to try and pretend saying 'a pox on both your houses' is somehow a mark of impartiality or maturity when it comes to politics when it's actually the exact opposite. One of the greatest problems we have with political media today is this bias towards false equivalence. You see it all the time, with climate change reporting, with political reporting, etc. True impartiality requires that you consider not only if someone has ever lied, but the frequency and severity of those lies.

I find it funny that people so often decry political correctness and then do what you're doing here, which is basically the epitome of political correctness. Both sides have liars and racists, but one side has a hell of a lot more racists and their candidate is a hell of a lot more of a liar. You can't be afraid to call a spade a spade.

There's no such thing as "false equivalence." It's a shield the idiots on the left wear so they can be giant, throbbing hypocrites. Better luck next time