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Trump has been telling Mideast leaders Embassy will move to Jerusalem, recognize it as capital

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fskimospy said:
He's already talked about a 'virtual wall'. I'm confident even if he doesn't add a single foot of fence to it he will simply declare there's a wall there and that he built it.
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So...instead of the emperor's clothes...it will be the emperor's wall?

That would be a LOT cheaper...
 
ElFenix said:
a) Daniel isn't a prophecy, it's an apocalypse

b) the authors of daniel were recounting events that had already happened. daniel 9 has already come and gone.

c) this whole thing about the remnant armies of the world happened in 70 AD when rome leveled the temple. easy for the authors of luke to write about it since it had already happened.
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You are free to believe whatever you want to.
 
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Maybe this is Jared Kushner's Hanukkah present... Interesting thing is that Kushner is said to be particularly tight with the rising power-behind-the-throne #2 guy in Saudi Arabia. You wonder how that's playing out behind the scenes.

There are some Christian radicals that have wanted a war with Islam for years. In past administrations - even conservative ones - they would have been given a seat at the far end of the table and largely ignored. But one of the reasons that Christian radicals are so into Trump is that he doesn't ignore them. They give him the praise that his narcissistic soul seeks, and in return he gives them more influence. What could be more exciting for the American Christian evangelicals than a destructive conflict in the ME between the Jews and the Muslims?

What's ironic is that up until now, Saudi Arabia and a few of the other Arab states in the region were actually quietly warming up to the idea of cooperation with the US (and even Israel) in containing Iran.

Is Trump is trying to provoke an escalation that he can use as a reason to go to war and/or to further his anti-Muslim agenda in the US. Trump seems to be motivated purely by anti-Muslim animus and a childish understanding of "strength" in leadership.

It's possible both the Middle East and the Korean Peninsula go up in flames at the same time. As Trump might say, "I don't know. We'll see. I think you'll see something happening very soon."

Another reason Trump is doing this is obvious: domestic political reasons. American Jews have been strongly associated with the Democratic party for a long time. Trump and other Republicans feel that automatically rubber-stamping the positions of the Israeli government will cause American Jews to switch to the Republican party (compared to the slightly more even-handed approach of the Democrats and previous Republican administrations).
 
ElFenix said:
a) Daniel isn't a prophecy, it's an apocalypse

b) the authors of daniel were recounting events that had already happened. daniel 9 has already come and gone.

c) this whole thing about the remnant armies of the world happened in 70 AD when rome leveled the temple. easy for the authors of luke to write about it since it had already happened.
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Aww, man... what a buzzkill. Fundie whacks are always down for the rapture, firmly believing they'll be among the righteous spared from eternal damnation.
 
Well, I guess since the whole world is now aware of Russian meddling in elections and the havoc their online troll factories can wreak, its time to enlist the Israeli Zionist hacker/troll community for help with the next election. Maybe that’s what Trump gets with this move?

I for one am excited to see what Israeli security researchers and ex-Mossad agents can cook up together. Perhaps a stuxnet for voting machines?
 
Well this should end up going quite well.

Protests broke out in the Gaza Strip in response to US President Donald Trump's decision to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital, as Palestinian leaders called for three days of rage against the move.

Hundreds of Palestinians took to the streets in Gaza City on Wednesday, carrying banners denouncing Trump, hours ahead of his declaration that will also see the US embassy move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

The declaration comes amid global condemnation of the decision.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/live-president-trump-jerusalem-muslim-11650837
 
UNCjigga said:
Well, I guess since the whole world is now aware of Russian meddling in elections and the havoc their online troll factories can wreak, its time to enlist the Israeli Zionist hacker/troll community for help with the next election. Maybe that’s what Trump gets with this move?

I for one am excited to see what Israeli security researchers and ex-Mossad agents can cook up together. Perhaps a stuxnet for voting machines?
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Who says they didn't help in 2016?
 
I don't see any difference between all of the past Presidents ( for decades ) that have promised to do this and Trump.

The only difference is Trump was actually being honest about it. I'm not saying that it is the correct thing to do, but time will tell as what we have done in the past has not worked either.

Isn't there a law on the books that says we will move it to Jerusalem.
 
pcgeek11 said:
I don't see any difference between all of the past Presidents ( for decades ) that have promised to do this and Trump.

The only difference is Trump was actually being honest about it. I'm not saying that it is the correct thing to do, but time will tell as what we have done in the past has not worked either.

Isn't there a law on the books that says we will move it to Jerusalem.
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There is a law with a caveat that it can be waived every six months which has been done for over 20 years since it passed.

I just don't get the reasoning to do this now. Do it as part of a broader peace agreement. Give assurances about east Jerusalem. This just defies logic.
 
waffle brain strikes again... Jared is getting his moneys worth too.
The cynical might think that this move is to motivate some brown people to take to the streets and express their discontent thereby pouring fuel on the anti muslim rethoric.. Get that base all warm and fuzzy again.
 
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MomentsofSanity said:
There is a law with a caveat that it can be waived every six months which has been done for over 20 years since it passed.

I just don't get the reasoning to do this now. Do it as part of a broader peace agreement. Give assurances about east Jerusalem. This just defies logic.
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The short answer: "because screw Muslims, that's why." It's an administration whose policies revolve around spite.
 
Jared, apparently, thinks that anger over this will blow over quickly and they can get negotiation back on track.

He’s dumber than I ever thought possible.
 
K1052 said:
Jared, apparently, thinks that anger over this will blow over quickly and they can get negotiation back on track.

He’s dumber than I ever thought possible.
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Hold on, let's be real. Jared is nothing out of the ordinary for typical American views of Middle East politics. He thinks Israel and US policy are 1 and the same, and he thinks that all the other countries are merely backwards tribes of arabs that need subjugating under the yoke of US hegemony. That seems totally normal to me and it is a view that I have heard shared by both American christians, jews, and even secular people here.
 
tweaker2 said:
That Trump, what a clever guy killing two birds with one stone: He kills world peace and his chances for a second term just from changing the sign at the US Consulate in Jerusalem to US Embassy in Jerusalem.

Gotta hand it to him. When he fvcks things up he don't mess around with the minor details of his decisions like how it's going to create all kinds of turmoil and maybe a small war or two in the Middle East.

Well, whatever it takes to make his base happy I guess.
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Yeah, without Trump, there would never have been any wars in that region, and likely never would be. It's all his fault!! 🙂
 
MomentsofSanity said:
There is a law with a caveat that it can be waived every six months which has been done for over 20 years since it passed.

I just don't get the reasoning to do this now. Do it as part of a broader peace agreement. Give assurances about east Jerusalem. This just defies logic.
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The Israelis intend no peace because they offer no concessions. With perpetual occupation & expansion into the West Bank they get more of what they want, which is all of it. They perfected that deception wrt the American public long ago.
 
Alpha One Seven said:
Sometimes doing the right thing is not a for profit arrangement. It's just the right thing.
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Yes, it’s a really good idea to take a moral stand on what amounts to a naming convention but which will likely lead to violence where people die.

This is just a dumb idea all around. We make people mad and gave up an important bargaining chip and got nothing in return. Good job.
 
Alpha One Seven said:
Yeah, without Trump, there would never have been any wars in that region, and likely never would be. It's all his fault!! 🙂
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The past is the past up to Jan 20, 2017. Now we have Trump, ignoring every piece of advice coming from his own State Dept., Dept of Defense, CIA etc. along with the rest of the world (besides Israel of course) begging him not to upset the very fragile and complex circumstances that have kept the whole of the Middle East from literally blowing itself up in a much more widespread and cataclysmic fashion.

So yes, I agree with you that it really is all his fault if the shit gets real. Hope our troops don't get involved. I have many old timer senior NCO friends of mine and some with children still serving but very close to retiring. I wouldn't want them going over there in harm's way simply because Trump has a irritating Muslim itch to scratch.

I do give him credit (no, not the good kind of credit) though for having the balls (barren as they are) to pull off something like this. 😉
 
MomentsofSanity said:
There is a law with a caveat that it can be waived every six months which has been done for over 20 years since it passed.

I just don't get the reasoning to do this now. Do it as part of a broader peace agreement. Give assurances about east Jerusalem. This just defies logic.
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Retarded is when you keep doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.
 
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