Trump goes on tirade against China, takes several extreme measures

[Ichinisan]

It is clearly Vengeance. I'm surprised the fence around the White House is still intact. Dude is out of control and the News Media is more interested in whether Microsoft is going to Buy it than in whether such demands are even justifiable.

Australia and India were already doing this, by the way. Trump was the last to start talking about it.

Trump is very late to this party and he didn't invent the concern. This is all old news. When someone told me to download TikTok months ago, I begrudgingly registered, already knowing full-well of its notoriety. I did not use my typical password scheme. Instead, my password was: t1kk-CCP-t0kk (hoping if my password is ever readable by staff they'd know I wasn't stupid enough to give them my actual password scheme)

I did not allow the app access to my contacts. I later deleted my TikTok account ON JULY 8 after hearing of TT users getting banned for pointing out Uyghur genocide and other criticism of CCP.

Very old news, I'm afraid.


May 2019 QZ

September 2019 The Guardian

October 2019 Wired

November 2019 Washington Post

December 2019 Vox

January 2020 The Hill

 

[ch33zw1z]

Australia and India were already doing this, by the way. Trump was the last to start talking about it.

Trump is very late to this party and he didn't invent the concern. This is all old news. When someone told me to download TikTok months ago, I begrudgingly registered, already knowing full-well of its notoriety. I did not use my typical password scheme. Instead, my password was: t1kk-CCP-t0kk (hoping if my password is ever readable by staff they'd know I wasn't stupid enough to give them my actual password scheme)

I did not allow the app access to my contacts. I later deleted my TikTok account ON JULY 8 after hearing of TT users getting banned for pointing out Uyghur genocide and other criticism of CCP.

Very old news, I'm afraid.


May 2019 QZ

September 2019 The Guardian

October 2019 Wired

November 2019 Washington Post

December 2019 Vox

January 2020 The Hill

Yea, it is old news. And Trump didn't care until he got trolled at his OK COVID party. I doubt he'd even understand it now. Just "China" bad is his thing. Their treatment of citizens is something he envies tho, so we've got that going for us.

 

[Ichinisan]

Yea, it is old news. And Trump didn't care until he got trolled at his OK COVID party. I doubt he'd even understand it now. Just "China" bad is his thing. Their treatment of citizens is something he envies tho, so we've got that going for us.

Strange you would try to convince yourself it has something to do with those trolls. Kind of a stretch.

People have messed with Trump from practically every platform (and he deserves it). Why would it even cross his mind to target TikTok because some of the users trolled him? In that case he would ban every platform in existence.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Strange you would try to convince yourself it has something to do with those trolls. Kind of a stretch.

People have messed with Trump from practically every platform (and he deserves it). Why would it even cross his mind to target TikTok because some of the users trolled him? In that case he would ban every platform in existence.

Doesn't seem like such a stretch at all. Can you provide Trump wanting to ban TikTok before June 20th?

Why would it be strange to me to draw a conclusion from a person who has a lifelong history of targeting those who attack him.

And if you think it will stop at TikTok, we can disagree. Trump's continually testing the boundaries of POTUS power. Senate R's enable it. Conservatives are fighting for control of private social media companies right now.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Lol people here comparing Social Media data aggregation to Equifax DB leaks of names and addresses. The level of stupidity to not understand the difference is astounding.... Yet unsurprising I guess.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Lol people here comparing Social Media data aggregation to Equifax DB leaks of names and addresses. The level of stupidity to not understand the difference is astounding.... Yet unsurprising I guess.

"Hurr duur, I'm so smart, you're so dumb, hur duuurrrrr"

Both are security problems, one is done with the users consent because that's what you're allowing the app that do, sometimes the software is using privileges you've granted to access other areas of software that the user may not want it to, but it's not explicitly stated in the the permissions list.

Go ahead and tell how big your brain is, and how you have the best words, lol.

 

[theeedude]

Lol people here comparing Social Media data aggregation to Equifax DB leaks of names and addresses. The level of stupidity to not understand the difference is astounding.... Yet unsurprising I guess.

Leaks of names and addresses that can be used to verify identity and open credit accounts in your name and make your life miserable. Already made available to any hacker and thief online. Or "leaks" of some social media nonsense that you post yourself on a social media platform, maybe made available to Chinese intelligence, but not proven that it is. There is a huge difference, you are right about that.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Lol people here comparing Social Media data aggregation to Equifax DB leaks of names and addresses. The level of stupidity to not understand the difference is astounding.... Yet unsurprising I guess.

As @ch33zw1z said. One is a data breach likely due to poor security and a possible attempt to cover it up the other are apps that want an unusual amount of access to your data that people opt in to allow mainly because the terms & conditions are buried and really hard to understand.
BTW I am all for banning tiktok, I am all for banning apps that save data outside the US.
I would like to see EU style data privacy laws declaring what data can be collect, where & how that data is stored, when that data can be shared and how long can that data be retained.
I would also like to see recommend language to simplify terms & conditions like there is a big list of legal talk then prompts like the app wants access to your pictures ye/no
This app wants access to your location yes/no
This app wants access to you call lists and text messages yes/no
This app wants access to you Facebook account yes/no

 

[ch33zw1z]

As @ch33zw1z said. One is a data breach likely due to poor security and a possible attempt to cover it up the other are apps that want an unusual amount of access to your data that people opt in to allow mainly because the terms & conditions are buried and really hard to understand.
BTW I am all for banning tiktok, I am all for banning apps that save data outside the US.

Careful tho, doing something smart in terms of data protection for consumers is treading into commie Europe area. Those damn socialist, wait.... communists, wait, no, ah fuck it MUH FREEDUMB

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Leaks of names and addresses that can be used to verify identity and open credit accounts in your name and make your life miserable. Already made available to any hacker and thief online. Or "leaks" of some social media nonsense that you post yourself on a social media platform, maybe made available to Chinese intelligence, but not proven that it is. There is a huge difference, you are right about that.

You are...grossly misinformed of what data social media collects. But... carry on in blissful ignroance... toodles!

I mean, you guys don't sit there and wonder: Why is an application that is essentially just a web browser going to Facebook.com 200mb+ ? I guess that would require middle-school level thinking....

 

[ch33zw1z]

You are...grossly misinformed of what data social media collects. But... carry on in blissful ignroance... toodles!

And it's not just social media, big data involves all sorts of players, including your ISP, but mobile and landlines. Your data is lucrative, and players are trying to get as much as possible, with or without your consent.

Seasamp understands it just fine, you're just a child.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You are...grossly misinformed of what data social media collects. But... carry on in blissful ignroance... toodles!

I mean, you guys don't sit there and wonder: Why is an application that is essentially just a web browser going to Facebook.com 200mb+ ? I guess that would require middle-school level thinking....

Oh, by all means, educate those stupid 'Muricans on how it works. I'd wager only a handful of P&N users aren't informed, and they're old and tend to be conservative sympathizers

Do you ever think about what you're typing, or is it just a constant stream of barely coherent rabble.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

And it's not just social media, big data involves all sorts of players, including your ISP, but mobile and landlines. Your data is lucrative, and players are trying to get as much as possible, with or without your consent.

Seasamp understands it just fine, you're just a child.

Yeah, big data is getting huge so to speak.
I forgot the name but I tried out a realtor prospecting tool. Thing wasn’t super complicated but it was great at gather data from 12,000 sources (I think it was 12k) and compiling it for viewing.
It would compile all sorts of public records to establish a sell score.
For example:
There is a house, the owners phone numbers and email address were typically available because we all have entered our phone number on some sort of public document and likely email. I think the email came from other non public sources too. We know this is a 4 bedroom house we know there are three children lowest age is 26, we know the owners are 66 & 72, we know there was a recent death record filed for the husband. Here is the info to contact that person
We also know where the kids live and that is all out of state, does the survivor want to move out of state.
Another creepy report flagged people going into nursing homes and the house likely being vacant. Again it is looking for address changes and ages, plus potential occupants. Again you could track backwards to locate the children’s contact info
Creepy ass shit could be learned by compiling all the public info.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yeah, big data is getting huge so to speak.
I forgot the name but I tried out a realtor prospecting tool. Thing wasn’t super complicated but it was great at gather data from 12,000 sources (I think it was 12k) and compiling it for viewing.
It would compile all sorts of public records to establish a sell score.
For example:
There is a house, the owners phone numbers and email address were typically available because we all have entered our phone number on some sort of public document and likely email. I think the email came from other non public sources too. We know this is a 4 bedroom house we know there are three children lowest age is 26, we know the owners are 66 & 72, we know there was a recent death record filed for the husband. Here is the info to contact that person
We also know where the kids live and that is all out of state, does the survivor want to move out of state.
Another creepy report flagged people going into nursing homes and the house likely being vacant. Again it is looking for address changes and ages, plus potential occupants. Again you could track backwards to locate the children’s contact info
Creepy ass shit could be learned by compiling all the public info.

I agree, it's very creepy, and those type of data points are generally innocuous. Data collected off phones, tablets, even desktop/laptop OS's can be much more troublesome in your personal life.

But, we're all too stupid to really understand. So we can wait patiently for an elaborate and educational explanation from someone'sbiglymind. it might take awhile, someone with his intelligence might take a while dumbing it down for the low IQ beta cvcks around here.

 

[brycejones]

You are...grossly misinformed of what data social media collects. But... carry on in blissful ignroance... toodles!

I mean, you guys don't sit there and wonder: Why is an application that is essentially just a web browser going to Facebook.com 200mb+ ? I guess that would require middle-school level thinking....

Sure thing angry Cliff Clavin.

 

[theeedude]

You are...grossly misinformed of what data social media collects. But... carry on in blissful ignroance... toodles!

I mean, you guys don't sit there and wonder: Why is an application that is essentially just a web browser going to Facebook.com 200mb+ ? I guess that would require middle-school level thinking....

You didn't spend much time thinking about it.
Number of bytes is not the relevant metric.
Your name and social security number only a few bytes. So are the ICD codes for your health conditions. So are your checking account and credit card numbers. Why don't you post those for everyone to read, if it's less than 1kB, no big deal, amirite?

 

[nexus5rocks]

TikTok's parent company (Bytedance) is absolutely required to give the CCP any information they request. Period.

Even if the US part of the company *claims* they can refuse to give CCP access to user data, that Is absolutely wrong.

"Hypocrisy" is China complaining about this while they've been blocking Google, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube (and most of the Internet) forever.

Perhaps. But I don't know how you can speak with such authority on it.
Regardless, there still has not been any proof it happened.

CIA analysts reportedly told the White House there's 'no evidence' the Chinese government has accessed TikTok data

Despite the report, President Trump still issued an executive order prohibiting US firms from doing business with TikTok's parent company ByteDance.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[nexus5rocks]

Strange you would try to convince yourself it has something to do with those trolls. Kind of a stretch.

People have messed with Trump from practically every platform (and he deserves it). Why would it even cross his mind to target TikTok because some of the users trolled him? In that case he would ban every platform in existence.

Because tiktok is china bad and the rest are not? I thought that seemed pretty obvious.

 

[zinfamous]

Lol people here comparing Social Media data aggregation to Equifax DB leaks of names and addresses. The level of stupidity to not understand the difference is astounding.... Yet unsurprising I guess.

I mean...I would assume that in your "work," you are familiar with the type of data about you that Equifax and the others keep, forever. Certainly you've seen a copy of your hard credit report by now, right?

 

[cytg111]

I agree, it's very creepy, and those type of data points are generally innocuous. Data collected off phones, tablets, even desktop/laptop OS's can be much more troublesome in your personal life.

But, we're all too stupid to really understand. So we can wait patiently for an elaborate and educational explanation from someone'sbiglymind. it might take awhile, someone with his intelligence might take a while dumbing it down for the low IQ beta cvcks around here.

The latest edition of creepy is a b*, cause i'd really like one of those home assistants, Echo etc, use Siri on my phone and Cortana on my desktop... But I cant give consent to such a snoop device, nope gotta draw the line.

Apple contractors 'regularly hear confidential details' on Siri recordings

Workers hear drug deals, medical details and people having sex, says whistleblower

www.theguardian.com

You're not paranoid, your phone really IS listening to EVERYTHING you say

We've all got those stories about suddenly seeing advertisements on our phones after we were just talking about some random place or thing. It makes us wonder, are our phones listening to us? Some experts say yes, definitely; others say no. Regardless, there are four things you can do today to...

www.komando.com

"Your smartphone is similar to smart speakers like the Amazon Echo and Google Home — they listen for “wake” words like “Hey Siri” and “Okay Google” all the time.

These wake words are required for your smartphone to actually start recording. But without these triggers, your voice inputs are processed only within your smartphone and are not sent anywhere, so say the manufacturers."

"If this temporary voice data is not going anywhere, then what’s the problem? In some cases, third-party apps like Facebook or Instagram may still have access to this local data. "

"Using voice tracking for marketing purposes is legal because the privacy policies and end-user agreements you agreed with plus current laws actually allow it. Since it’s a very effective targeted ad tool, it’s not a surprise if companies are using it. "

Are. You. Shitting. Me.

So, assume everything you say is recorded, then fed to a next gen deep neural net AI and from there be able to deduce *everything* about you. Did you read that TOS? And the other TOS? Of course Cambridge Analytica 2.0 has you by the balls, you signed them over yourself. All of you.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I mean...I would assume that in your "work," you are familiar with the type of data about you that Equifax and the others keep, forever. Certainly you've seen a copy of your hard credit report by now, right?

Absolutely - I don't think government entites really have an interest in seeing my credit cards (Be it the actual numbers - which I don't think are even on reports) along with how we are doing with paying off the balances month to month.

I understand there is PII on them such as addresses and SSN, etc... Do you really think something like that is something the Chinese government would care about? All of that type of information is already rapidly available via dark web and google. It really isn't private information anymore since it's so easy to obtain.


But were comparing to governments collecting data on users. Do you have any idea the amount of data that a cell-phone can track, especially knowing that it is in the pockets of folks at all times? Location data galore, potential audio/video recordings at any time, what other apps you use, what you buy, what dildo you bought your aunt, file attachments, text messages, phonecall information, the list goes on and on and on and on. Because people do everything on their cell-phones now.

Comparing ALL of that to a database of credit information is hilariously stupid of epic proportions. Anyone who works in security related field would understand what I'm saying that the two are not comparable.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Absolutely - I don't think government entites really have an interest in seeing my credit cards (Be it the actual numbers - which I don't think are even on reports) along with how we are doing with paying off the balances month to month.

I understand there is PII on them such as addresses and SSN, etc... Do you really think something like that is something the Chinese government would care about? All of that type of information is already rapidly available via dark web and google. It really isn't private information anymore since it's so easy to obtain.


But were comparing to governments collecting data on users. Do you have any idea the amount of data that a cell-phone can track, especially knowing that it is in the pockets of folks at all times? Location data galore, potential audio/video recordings at any time, what other apps you use, what you buy, what dildo you bought your aunt, file attachments, text messages, phonecall information, the list goes on and on and on and on. Because people do everything on their cell-phones now.

Comparing ALL of that to a database of credit information is hilariously stupid of epic proportions. Anyone who works in security related field would understand what I'm saying that the two are not comparable.

Woah woah woah, why are you buying dildos for your aunt.

Oh, it's not hilariously stupid at all. If you think credit fraud ain't no thang, you're a fuggin moron.

 

[pcgeek11]

I never said or suggested that I was brilliant.

How did you get that out of what I posted?

Your attitude says it all.

 

[pcgeek11]

I don't disagree. But you, unlike geek, understand this. For geek, it's just China bad.

You wanna start banning all tech China, go for it, bit that's not what's going on here.

Americans should be smart enough to just stop using China software whenever possible. Trump's play here is obviously personally motivated by his embarrassment at his OK COVID party

Edit: I said it earlier, I think any software participating in collecting personal user data not explicitly stated in the permissions should be kicked off of Google play and apple app store. Bring it back when the vendor can prove they're acting in a trustworthy way

Cause geek bad...

LOL

 

[ch33zw1z]

Cause geek bad...

LOL

You're the victim.