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PokerGuy

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dank69 said:
I always prefer honesty, but in this case I certainly wouldn't find it to be "refreshing."
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Actually, in this case (Trump being rich, referenced in the OP) it's very refreshing, and we have concrete examples of seasoned "politicians" not being honest on the same issue. Romney tried to distance himself from it and failed. Hildabeast was either delusional or a liar about being "dead broke". I appreciate Trump saying "hey, I'm rich, I earned it, that kind of money is a lot but to me it's peanuts". That doesn't mean I agree with him on his positions, but that kind of honesty is in stark contrast to other politicians and is refreshing.

As for punishing honesty, I don't see it that way. The punishment is for the sh*tty belief, not the honesty.
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Sometimes that's true, sometimes not. Often we know what the politician actually thinks, but we know it's for the better if he/she just packages it differently or tells us a story or does a nice song and dance. I prefer honesty, even if I don't like the message.

For example, we don't withhold punishment for a murderer just because he admits he committed murder. Would you classify that as punishing honesty? No.
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In fact, if someone admits guilt and is honest about what they did, the system rewards them for it (plea bargain etc). However, in some ways we do punish honesty. For example, if there's an accident and someone apologizes, they will get held against them in a subsequent suit. If a doctor says "I'm sorry", it gets held against them.... so any lawyer will tell his/her clients "don't ever admit anything and don't apologize". It's sound legal advice, but not good for society as a whole.
 
dank69

dank69

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Sonikku said:
People keep saying "I like Trump because he's honest". But I think a lot of people have very short attention spans. Trump "ran" in the last presidential cycle too, except he chalked up his success solely to himself, neglecting to mention the multi million dollar inheritance, help from his dad, help from the government/bankruptcy laws etc.

http://www.alternet.org/story/15623..._government's_protection_mostly_did_the_trick

You'd almost think he was a self made man forged from nothing but gumption and hard work ethic to hear him tell it in the last presidential election.
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People keep saying "I like Trump because he's honest" but if you look at his Politifact scorecard he is one of the most dishonest presidential candidates in the history of Politifact.
 
Nebor

Nebor

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eskimospy said:
Yeah, he's super honest:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ery-of-donald-trump-explained-in-238-seconds/

But I'm sure this time he's not bullshitting you. Seriously, how do you guys get duped by these clowns?
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I like that his views have evolved with time. People are often liberals when they're younger and become more conservative as they get older. Also, when someone goes from having few assets to being wealthy, a conservative shift also frequently occurs. He was still making his fortune back when he supported Clinton and Obama. Now that he has some skin in the game, he's clearly become more conservative.

I also like his common sense gun control ideas.
 
dank69

dank69

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Nebor said:
I like that his views have evolved with time. People are often liberals when they're younger and become more conservative as they get older. Also, when someone goes from having few assets to being wealthy, a conservative shift also frequently occurs. He was still making his fortune back when he supported Clinton and Obama. Now that he has some skin in the game, he's clearly become more conservative.

I also like his common sense gun control ideas.
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Way back in 2010 he was young, broke and liberal?
 
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fskimospy

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Nebor said:
I like that his views have evolved with time. People are often liberals when they're younger and become more conservative as they get older. Also, when someone goes from having few assets to being wealthy, a conservative shift also frequently occurs. He was still making his fortune back when he supported Clinton and Obama. Now that he has some skin in the game, he's clearly become more conservative.

I also like his common sense gun control ideas.
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I think you should check the timeline of his wealth because what you're saying is pretty clearly wrong. (hint: he was born into great wealth and many of his statements were made pretty recently)

The idea that people become more conservative as they age is also a controversial one.
 
werepossum

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eskimospy said:
I think you should check the timeline of his wealth because what you're saying is pretty clearly wrong. (hint: he was born into great wealth and many of his statements were made pretty recently)

The idea that people become more conservative as they age is also a controversial one.
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This is true. Some people never grow up. :D
 
Nebor

Nebor

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eskimospy said:
I think you should check the timeline of his wealth because what you're saying is pretty clearly wrong. (hint: he was born into great wealth and many of his statements were made pretty recently)

The idea that people become more conservative as they age is also a controversial one.
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It seems pretty clear to me that as you become more forgetful you're more likely to repeat past mistakes.
 
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BUTCH1

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PokerGuy said:
Oh but that's where you are wrong, according to the lefties. In their view, anyone who believes a border should actually be a border or believes in a sovereign nation or enforcement of laws already on the books is obviously racist, xenophobic and any other pejorative name you want to use.
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Although I'm totally against illegal immigration this I'll have to say, the Hispanics do the tough, dirty, nasty jobs "US citizens" would scoff at. What?, you expect me to landscape, install roofs, work on a garbage truck?, F-that shit homie, I'd rather fake a disability or collect welfare and food assistance than do any of those jobs.
 
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Moonbeam

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Just for a little perspective on anti-immigrant hysteria, there's a program on TV right now that is talking about the deaths of 57 Irish miners that history says died of cholera but which forensic investigators have unearthed and revealed to have been murdered by Conservative Brain Defectives who were known to engage in vigilante actions against immigrants suspected of carrying Cholera . It is this kind of vial sickness to which Trump is appealing.
 
woolfe9998

woolfe9998

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Trump is leading the field in the R primaries right now, but he polls worse than most of them against HRC head to head, meaning he isn't well liked by independents. So far as I'm concerned, they can go ahead and make him their nominee.
 
werepossum

werepossum

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What people admire about Trump isn't quite so much his honesty as that he doesn't play the scripted political game. Instead of pretending to be just like us - notably taken to the extreme by Mrs. Clinton and Mitt Romney - Trump actually says "I'm really rich." That is what is refreshing. Doesn't mean he isn't playing a new game, just that he isn't playing the same old same old.
 
Nebor

Nebor

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woolfe9998 said:
Trump is leading the field in the R primaries right now, but he polls worse than most of them against HRC head to head, meaning he isn't well liked by independents. So far as I'm concerned, they can go ahead and make him their nominee.
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I doubt anyone currently in the Republican running can beat Hillary Clinton, so we may as well make it as entertaining as possible. Bring on the Donald.
 
ivwshane

ivwshane

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Thank god! I just hope they start a trend. Just when you think you are done hearing about palin, a palin replacement pops up.


http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/55a8fc9ce4b0896514d0fd66?

After watching and listening to Donald Trump since he announced his candidacy for president, we have decided we won't report on Trump's campaign as part of The Huffington Post's political coverage. Instead, we will cover his campaign as part of our Entertainment section. Our reason is simple: Trump's campaign is a sideshow. We won't take the bait. If you are interested in what The Donald has to say, you'll find it next to our stories on the Kardashians and The Bachelorette.
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LegendKiller

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BUTCH1 said:
Although I'm totally against illegal immigration this I'll have to say, the Hispanics do the tough, dirty, nasty jobs "US citizens" would scoff at. What?, you expect me to landscape, install roofs, work on a garbage truck?, F-that shit homie, I'd rather fake a disability or collect welfare and food assistance than do any of those jobs.
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This is 100% false. It has been disproven thousands of times in thousands of ways. I know many contractors that are severely underbid because of illegals.
 
Sheik Yerbouti

Sheik Yerbouti

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Fanatical Meat said:
Trump is a clown but where is the line? Michelle Bachmann was a clown too its not like Trump is using this time to advertise products or appearance'
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