Trump could still win this thing

[Maverick177]

In a sense yes. He who does not work, neither shall he eat.

 

[Maverick177]

You should perhaps back up a bit and learn some grammar to begin with.

Too many new posts to quote, sorry.

 

[ivwshane]

I believe the term he is looking for is this country was founded on the ideals of the enlightenment

Exactly.

 

[Vic]

In a sense yes. He who does not work, neither shall he eat.

Do you consider that to be a Christian ideal?

 

[Maverick177]

Do you consider that to be a Christian ideal?

A quick google will give you the answer. Just put in the word Christianity behind that quote.

 

[Vic]

A quick google will give you the answer. Just put in the word Christianity behind that quote.

Why would I need to Google when I've actually studied the Gospels? Maybe you should try doing the same.

Edit: I am aware that you paraphrased 2 Thessalonians which - ironically - is not in the US Constitution, but was in the Constitution of the former Soviet Union.

 

[zinfamous]

Why would I need to Google when I've actually studied the Gospels? Maybe you should try doing the same.

Edit: I am aware that you paraphrased 2 Thessalonians which - ironically - is not in the US Constitution, but was in the Constitution of the former Soviet Union.

It's also kinda similar to the words at the top of the gate to Buchenwald, no?

 

[zinfamous]

Argg, thought you were the other guy, sorry.

Here's your answer:

When you look at a country, you'd normally look at its leaders and its policies, so I'll do the same with the United States.

Place holder for a long answer.

The founders of the USA were a collection of Unitarian Universalists and atheists, though.

 

[agent00f]

The founders of the USA were a collection of Unitarian Universalists and atheists, though.

A substantial number were protestant and a number owned slaves or whatever backward notions of the time, but I suppose in the scheme of things they were rather progressive for their day and these things need to be put in a historical context.

The idea that this was founded as a christian nation is rather ridiculous given how secular the founding doc was for its time.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'm still standing by 40% chance Trump wins.
Nobody expects Trump to do well in the debates except his most hardcore supporters who honestly would say he's the best no matter what. Trump only needs to not be a complete idiot during the debates and have Hillary sound like the seasoned Politician she is.

 

[ivwshane]

I'm still standing by 40% chance Trump wins.
Nobody expects Trump to do well in the debates except his most hardcore supporters who honestly would say he's the best no matter what. Trump only needs to not be a complete idiot during the debates and have Hillary sound like the seasoned Politician she is.

My guess is that is trumps plan. He doesn't need to out debate Hilary he just has to look like he can stand next to her without doing or saying something stupid.

He's managed to lower the bar so low that he gets kudos for being able to read a teleprompter!

So yeah, trump still has a chance.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'm still standing by 40% chance Trump wins.
Nobody expects Trump to do well in the debates except his most hardcore supporters who honestly would say he's the best no matter what. Trump only needs to not be a complete idiot during the debates and have Hillary sound like the seasoned Politician she is.

My guess is that is trumps plan. He doesn't need to out debate Hilary he just has to look like he can stand next to her without doing or saying something stupid.

He's managed to lower the bar so low that he gets kudos for being able to read a teleprompter!

So yeah, trump still has a chance.

really, really sad state our country is in when a buffoon like drumpf has even the slimmest of chances. what the fuck have we become?

 

[ivwshane]

really, really sad state our country is in when a buffoon like drumpf has even the slimmest of chances. what the fuck have we become?

My hope is that trump is simply a symptom of an electorate killing off a major party for no longer representing them. Unfortunately history shows us that things are about to get much worse before it gets better (see the rise and fall of the know nothing party). Get ready for an uprising of xenophobia and bigotry.

 

[Strk]

I'm still standing by 40% chance Trump wins.
Nobody expects Trump to do well in the debates except his most hardcore supporters who honestly would say he's the best no matter what. Trump only needs to not be a complete idiot during the debates and have Hillary sound like the seasoned Politician she is.

I'd say Clinton has a major issue that Trump will probably go on the attack immediately, putting her on defense. You've seen it with posters here where they just continually throw drivel out there and people are stuck constantly trying to disprove each line of BS. If Trump can get her doing that, then Clinton is at a serious handicap.

 

[Vic]

My hope is that trump is simply a symptom of an electorate killing off a major party for no longer representing them. Unfortunately history shows us that things are about to get much worse before it gets better (see the rise and fall of the know nothing party). Get ready for an uprising of xenophobia and bigotry.

They didn't kill off the major party though, they took it over. Whether or not they maintain control, or the prior leadership (the GOP establishment) retakes control or defects to a different party, remains to be seen.
A lot can happen, but my personal opinion is still that the traditional Republicans either stay home or vote for Johnson so that this Second Coming of George Wallace aka Trump loses in an horrific landslide, after which the traditional Republicans retake control of the GOP (with political heads rolling) and the disobedient base gets properly whipped back into the fold.

 

[Thump553]

I'm still standing by 40% chance Trump wins.
Nobody expects Trump to do well in the debates except his most hardcore supporters who honestly would say he's the best no matter what. Trump only needs to not be a complete idiot during the debates and have Hillary sound like the seasoned Politician she is.

Trump's debate performance is going to be GWB redux-the expectations are so low so that if he shows up, strings a coherent sentence or two together, lays off the yelling and insults, odds are great much of the public and the press will say Trump won the debate. Note I used the singular term debate, not debates-I fully expect Trump to weasel out of a second or any subsequent debates.

Hillary's main problem-something I'm sure her campaign is fully aware of, is that the vast majority of her support is weak. Trump's diehards will be out there in a hurricane to vote. A big chunk of Hillary's voters are going to have to be badgered and prodded to actually vote.

The polls will tighten up. That's pretty much a given in any election, but especially this year. Time will tell what sort of October surprise Trump's Russian masters have planned for us.

I personally am a lukewarm Hillary supporter, but I honestly feel a Trump victory could very well end our 200+ year experiment with democracy so I will darned sure to vote.

It's sad, but the best case scenario is what we've had for the past six years or so-a weakened President stymied by a do-nothing, obstructionist Congress. There will be no immigration reform, comprehensive highway bill, etc.-is there anyone in the world that thinks the GOP would cooperate at all with Hillary when they consistently refused to do so with Obama.

I'm hoping that the GOP manages to kill their party before they kill the USA, but I have my doubts.

 

[Mxylplyx]

My hope is that trump is simply a symptom of an electorate killing off a major party for no longer representing them. Unfortunately history shows us that things are about to get much worse before it gets better (see the rise and fall of the know nothing party). Get ready for an uprising of xenophobia and bigotry.

I'm going to be optimistic, and choose to believe that the past 8 yrs of non-stop Republican obstruction, even going as crazy as to flirt with defaulting on the national debt, is the "getting worse" part. I'm hopeful that Republicans are starting to wake up to the fact that their coalition is no longer viable, and their tired tactic of ratcheting up the anxieties of their base for political gain is no longer a winner at the national level due to the way it repels minorities and young people. We have also seen signs of the Republican establishment reasserting control over their party by engaging in Republican primaries to weed out the ideologues. This will all be futile if they cant find a way to reign in fox news and other right wing media that profits off this culture war bullshit.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'd say Clinton has a major issue that Trump will probably go on the attack immediately, putting her on defense. You've seen it with posters here where they just continually throw drivel out there and people are stuck constantly trying to disprove each line of BS. If Trump can get her doing that, then Clinton is at a serious handicap.

I'd agree just the Presidential moderators won't tolerate him hogging the air time, which will undoubtedly cause Trump to say they're being unfair to him.

 

[bshole]

The founders of the USA were a collection of Unitarian Universalists and atheists, though.

Damn straight brother!

 

[bshole]

really, really sad state our country is in when a buffoon like drumpf has even the slimmest of chances. what the fuck have we become?

Yea we can't blame Trump for being Trump but we sure as hell can blame the mouth breathers who nominated him. Good Gawd......

 

[ivwshane]

I'm going to be optimistic, and choose to believe that the past 8 yrs of non-stop Republican obstruction, even going as crazy as to flirt with defaulting on the national debt, is the "getting worse" part. I'm hopeful that Republicans are starting to wake up to the fact that their coalition is no longer viable, and their tired tactic of ratcheting up the anxieties of their base for political gain is no longer a winner at the national level due to the way it repels minorities and young people. We have also seen signs of the Republican establishment reasserting control over their party by engaging in Republican primaries to weed out the ideologues. This will all be futile if they cant find a way to reign in fox news and other right wing media that profits off this culture war bullshit.

Your optimism, while I some time share it, is a liberal brain defect.

 

[Jhhnn]

Heh. I figure the reasons that Trump won the nom are that the Repub leadership wasn't ready for him & that he out pandered them with the base. When he echoed their fears & discontent, turned the volume up to 11, they were his, heart & soul. They swooned. More than anything, they crave strong leadership & a sense of purpose that only a master showman can provide. And then he appeared, in all is raging glory.

The Repub leadership was in the belly of the beast before they knew what hit them.

The general election is a whole different arena & Clinton a whole different kind of opponent.

Debate? She'll be ready for Donald, bet on it. She'll be on him like a monkey on a cupcake.

I'm sure he's arrogant enough to think he can win. He may not be fool enough to try, however.

 

[Indus]

I think the debate can certainly break someone but they won't make anyone at this point.

 

[lopri]

Personally this is the most devastating ad against Trump I have seen so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrX3Ql31URA

I do not even have a kid (yet).

 

[werepossum]

I'm a small percentage Native American myself, they kind of got it rammed up the rear end there don't ya think ?

You do not need space for a long answer.

Of course, luckily for us the same policy of unrestricted immigration is going to be just peachy.

I believe the term he is looking for is this country was founded on the ideals of the enlightenment

And we all know that the enlightenment happened not just in Christian nations, but also in Islamic and Buddhist and Hindu nations . . .