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glenn1 said:
I hope it works out for the people in the OP story. Everyone deserves to live somewhere that feels comfortable to them and reflects their basic values and preferences.
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I also wish them well in their cultural assimilation training and picking up of the native language of their adopted homes. I also welcome them to try burning the flag of their adopted homes to see how that goes over.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
What many of these people are about to discover is that the countries they would like to move to have an immigration process for doing so.

I think most of the people who threatened to leave if Trump won the election are still milling about.
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As are those who said they'd move if Obama won a second term...Rush, I'm looking at you.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Again, you miss the point. Take a conversation that doesn’t even involve conservatives and it still gravitates towards identity.
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It's not that identity politics don't exist on the left, it's that they don't dominate the ideology of the party like they do on the right where that's ALL there is. Again, if conservatives don't like the course of events they just have to run on a better platform. Their problem is they can't because their primary voters won't let them and what their primary voters like is toxic to the rest of the state.

Democrats also self gerrymander, so its not a compelling argument.
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Of course it's a compelling argument. The fact that Democrats tend to live in geographically concentrated areas does not change the fact that in some states like North Carolina politicians deliberately attempt to structure government to be less representative of the will of the voters. California doesn't do that.

Not really. The Democrat nomination however is quite the exercise in periodic table of identity.
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You don't think modern conservatives are basically entirely driven by identity politics? Just look at how they talk to each other, it's all about shared identity. They almost never talk about any policy particulars other than being against immigrants but well, that's identity politics right there. That's seriously all conservatism is anymore, they have no policy agenda that the average voter cares about. Hell, if anything the average Republican voter is AGAINST most of the Republican policy agenda. It's all white identity politics.

You do realize that a lot of Trumpers are people displaced by automation and outsourcing. What’s going to happen I wonder when we robots eliminate the need for exploitable migrant labor.
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The research is kind of in on this subject - economic anxiety had basically zero to do with Trump's support. It was white identity and racism.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
I also wish them well in their cultural assimilation training and picking up of the native language of their adopted homes. I also welcome them to try burning the flag of their adopted homes to see how that goes over.
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But isn't our constitutionally protected ability to burn the flag one of the best things about America?
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Not really. The Democrat nomination however is quite the exercise in periodic table of identity.
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What do you mean by this? The nomination is made up of candidates who decide to run. What does that have with the attitudes of the electorate? (besides; the poll-leader is an old, white creepy guy, so...)
 
fskimospy said:
But isn't our constitutionally protected ability to burn the flag one of the best things about America?
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That's a weird thing to say is one of the "best things about America." Sure I'll support your right to do it just like I'd support your 1st Amendment right to spread conspiracy theories or something but either seems like an odd hill on which to plant the "best of America" flag.
 
glenn1 said:
That's a weird thing to say is one of the "best things about America." Sure I'll support your right to do it just like I'd support your 1st Amendment right to spread conspiracy theories or something but either seems like an odd hill on which to plant the "best of America" flag.
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What I meant by it being the best of America is that it's easy to support popular speech but it's really hard to support unpopular speech. The fact that we have such a strong culture around protecting speech so that we even protect things that might get you in a lot of trouble elsewhere is admirable. It's a similar vein to how the Westboro Baptist Church's right to be offensive shitheads is protected. Not many other countries would do that!
 
glenn1 said:
That's a weird thing to say is one of the "best things about America." Sure I'll support your right to do it just like I'd support your 1st Amendment right to spread conspiracy theories or something but either seems like an odd hill on which to plant the "best of America" flag.
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I don't think so. I think it's weirder that @Starbuck1975 tried to make the point that in some places you cannot do that without repercussions, and therefore we shouldn't exercise that right. By that logic we should abandon all our rights because somewhere, those don't exist.
 
glenn1 said:
That's a weird thing to say is one of the "best things about America." Sure I'll support your right to do it just like I'd support your 1st Amendment right to spread conspiracy theories or something but either seems like an odd hill on which to plant the "best of America" flag.
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But in many ways the ability for unpopular ideas to be expressed is what makes us great.
 
brycejones said:
But in many ways the ability for unpopular ideas to be expressed is what makes us great.
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So where does the "punch a nazi" line being cavalierly spouted here and elsewhere fit into that narrative? Or the right putting gag orders on government doctors from speaking about abortion? Or college students who prevent speakers with certain viewpoints from being allowed to give speeches? Seems quite odd for you and @fskimospy to be singing the praises of a concept you only support part of the time or heavily caveat with statements like "well it's not the *government* suppressing your speech when antifa or proud boys try to kill you when you say it."
 
glenn1 said:
So where does the "punch a nazi" line being cavalierly spouted here and elsewhere fit into that narrative? Or the right putting gag orders on government doctors from speaking about abortion? Or college students who prevent speakers with certain viewpoints from being allowed to give speeches? Seems quite odd for you and @fskimospy to be singing the praises of a concept you only support part of the time or heavily caveat with statements like "well it's not the *government* suppressing your speech when antifa or proud boys try to kill you when you say it."
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Openly spouting Racist rhetoric including the ideas of Racial Purity of the Nation in a nation of significant populations of differing Races, can only lead to violence if it were implemented. This is something that should not be permitted. No discussion necessary.
 
glenn1 said:
So where does the "punch a nazi" line being cavalierly spouted here and elsewhere fit into that narrative? Or the right putting gag orders on government doctors from speaking about abortion? Or college students who prevent speakers with certain viewpoints from being allowed to give speeches? Seems quite odd for you and @fskimospy to be singing the praises of a concept you only support part of the time or heavily caveat with statements like "well it's not the *government* suppressing your speech when antifa or proud boys try to kill you when you say it."
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1) punching Nazis is physical violence, which I do not support. Violence is also not free speech.

2) the right putting gag orders on doctors should be unconstitutional and is against everything America stands for.

3) College students protest those who engage in speech they find objectionable with the objective of having them speak somewhere else. Conservatives frequently confuse freedom of speech with freedom of consequences for speech or freedom from other people speaking back.

4) It's not a caveat! I don't just accept, I outright support people being criticized for their shitty speech. If someone wants to criticize you or call you names or not do business with you because you're burning the flag that's part of what makes America great too!

America protects your right to engage in objectionable speech from both government coercion and from violence inflicted on you by other citizens. That's it, and frankly attempting to protect it any more than that usually just means suppressing other forms of free expression.
 
[DHT]Osiris said:
I don't think so. I think it's weirder that @Starbuck1975 tried to make the point that in some places you cannot do that without repercussions, and therefore we shouldn't exercise that right. By that logic we should abandon all our rights because somewhere, those don't exist.
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My point is that people who choose to leave America due to our draconian immigration laws are in for a real surprise.
 
obidamnkenobi said:
What do you mean by this? The nomination is made up of candidates who decide to run. What does that have with the attitudes of the electorate? (besides; the poll-leader is an old, white creepy guy, so...)
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You just illustrated my point without even realizing it.

Why does it matter that Biden is white? How is that even relevant to his candidacy?
 
Starbuck1975 said:
You just illustrated my point without even realizing it.

Why does it matter that Biden is white? How is that even relevant to his candidacy?
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To the white identiy warriors quite a lot..

Also, you sound dense. You said the dems were too focused on identity (presumably non-white). But their front runner is an old white man. So how does identity determine their candidates?
 
obidamnkenobi said:
To the white identiy warriors quite a lot..

Also, you sound dense. You said the dems were too focused on identity (presumably non-white). But their front runner is an old white man. So how does identity determine their candidates?
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Identity is the preferred weapon of social justice warriors. Your tone suggests thats its somehow problematic that Biden is old, white and a man.
 
TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP
Gawd... what would we do without Donald Trump?
Would we, could we have a life once again?

Amazing how those Trump supporters try and try hard to defend the insanity of Donald Trump.
In particular KellyAnne Conway.
And its so strange... she seems so normal on the surface, that is before she opens her mouth.
I can't help but wonder what terrible thing Donald Trump did to her?
What nasty secrets he has on her to get her to cooperate?
When asked any question, its like their brain disconnects from their body and reconnects to some Trump computer server far far away. You can actually see it in their eyes, that weird glitch that happens right after the question is asked and right before the answer begins. Like their brain disconnects from all reality then reconnects to Trump only reality.
I had no idea dark science had progressed to such an extent.....
 
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