Trump cancels his planned speech for Jan. 6. Has a TT.

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Homerboy

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There's an HBO Documentary Film "Four Hours at the Capital" that goes step by step through the whole day using on-the-ground footage and has some of the most insane interviews you will ever witness. It's roughly 90 mins long and is BEYOND infuriating and just saddening. It should be required watching. I can not recommend it enough. It's the most mind blowing thing I've even watched
 
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hal2kilo

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I see TT has become dated. I guess it has negative implications for classical human behavior in maladjusted people. We can't have that.
 
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HomerJS

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Peter Navaro gives up the entire plan which is predicated on overturing the electors in battleground states based on...

wait for it....

Trump's claim of voter fraud. You know that thing people like @blackangst1 keep buying into. If those claims had been pushed by Republicans in those various states @blackangst1 would have been one of the first defending that bogus claim.


 
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pmv

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I was thinking TT meant a medical term like, "Terminal Tumor", "Terminal Trauma", "Testicular Torsion", "Trauma Treatment".

All I could think of was the little-known, and still-born, successor to the Atari 520ST - the TT. With a 60830 processor and 2 whole MB of RAM.
 

trenchfoot

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Trump's minions have managed to drag the rest of the party faithful over the precipice into thinking a fascist nation led by Repubs is perfectly fine because the Constitution and Bill of Rights has somehow become obsolete due to how it allows strange looking alien undesirables to become Americans just like themselves and that jus' ain't right, ya know?

Therefore, some parts of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights need to be righteously reinterpreted and repurposed just like the Second Amendment was into being more "contemporary", selective, more exclusive of just who can and more importantly who can't become citizens of that nation of theirs. And they've already done it in broad daylight what with their manipulating the Supreme Court into a coven that promotes corporate greed and racist supremacism under the guise of religious freedom, selective personal freedoms and, *heh* free speech.

Hateful spiteful people like Greene, Gaetz, DeSantis, Gosar et al are the future of the Repub party. They've become a mainstay feature of the party and more of them will be elected in the very near future.

edit - syntax
 
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Zorba

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Jesus that video is tough to watch.

I hope everyone of those fucking idiots gets the maximum punishment allowed and hope orange man goes down with them.
Most of them are barely being charged.
 

Commodus

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True!
60 days seems a small sacrifice for attempting a government overthrow.
Heck, I'd bet they would be willing to do 90 days or 120 days..... NEXT ATTEMPT. :oops:

I'm of mixed minds when it comes to the sentencing.

While many of these people had less-than-kind intentions and deserve to have criminal records, harsh sentences for even basic trespassing risks making martyrs of them for Trump worshippers. These folks are already making dubious claims about the treatment of incarcerated rioters; they'd have a field day if everyone on the grounds got a years-long prison sentence. Besides, for many of these people there will always be a stain on their history that denies them job opportunities, security clearances and social connections.

As for the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and others who hurt officers, damaged property and otherwise knowingly participated in a would-be coup? Lock 'em up and throw away the key.
 

trenchfoot

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I'm of mixed minds when it comes to the sentencing.

While many of these people had less-than-kind intentions and deserve to have criminal records, harsh sentences for even basic trespassing risks making martyrs of them for Trump worshippers. These folks are already making dubious claims about the treatment of incarcerated rioters; they'd have a field day if everyone on the grounds got a years-long prison sentence. Besides, for many of these people there will always be a stain on their history that denies them job opportunities, security clearances and social connections.

As for the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and others who hurt officers, damaged property and otherwise knowingly participated in a would-be coup? Lock 'em up and throw away the key.

Your sentiments reflects the stark difference between our democratically run nation and those authoritarian ones like Russia, China, NK and the like.

Had those rioters been in the latter named countries, well we all know many of them would have never made it into the Capitol building alive, let alone be allowed to disperse after the fact.
 
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Your sentiments reflects the stark difference between our democratically run nation and those authoritarian ones like Russia, China, NK and the like.

Had those rioters been in the latter named countries, well we all know many of them would have never made it into the Capitol building alive, let alone be allowed to disperse after the fact.
it helps the majority were white as well. Image if that many African Americans did the same exact thing, what do you think the body count would be?
 

sportage

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Its amazing the incredible damage Donald Trump brought to America during four short years. Seemingly never ending. In only four years Donald Trump destroyed an entire political party, and we only have two total so that leaves one intact. And consider what he has done to our election system, a high number of Americans no longer believe in our free election system. They don't trust it. Many believe it is rigged and open to influence by foreign interest. Just imagine if Trump had another four years in office? Frankly, I can't imagine, I dare not try.

But I do recall the many people who dreaded the idea of Donald Trump as president back then. Many people feared the worst. But we can now say for certain, what Donald Trump ended up doing to America far exceeded anything that anyone fearing the worst could have ever imagined. Back then on election night 2016 no one not a single person predicted an all out overthrow of the United States government, or an overthrow of our election system, or predicted members of congress, inside the US capitol building, running in terror fearing for their lives. No one expected or could have predicted any of this, not even Trump's worst enemy predicted any of this.

I remember hearing people, supportive of then candidate Donald Trump, thrilled that Trump was an outsider, in their mind, and that was his appeal to Trump supporters. Donald Trump was certainly an outsider, but an outsider coming from where? From outside the political realm? From outside the establishment? How about from outside the foundation of democracy? Had Vladimir Putin ran for US president, would Putin too qualify as an "outsider" in the minds of Trump supporters? Is Donald Trump the kind of outsider as Vladimir Putin? Is that what Trump supporters expected from their president Donald Trump?
WHY Donald Trump is free and walking around this very day is as bad as the insurrection itself. It continues on......
 

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I'm of mixed minds when it comes to the sentencing.

While many of these people had less-than-kind intentions and deserve to have criminal records, harsh sentences for even basic trespassing risks making martyrs of them for Trump worshippers. These folks are already making dubious claims about the treatment of incarcerated rioters; they'd have a field day if everyone on the grounds got a years-long prison sentence. Besides, for many of these people there will always be a stain on their history that denies them job opportunities, security clearances and social connections.

As for the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and others who hurt officers, damaged property and otherwise knowingly participated in a would-be coup? Lock 'em up and throw away the key.

I understand what you are saying, however compare and contrast that to people caught with a few ounces of pot. If we normalized sentencing on being thrown in jail for years for something like pot possession just a few short years ago, these people would be drawn and quartered in the public square. These 30 day sentences should be retroactively applied to all the joint smokers in the joint.

The instigators and hard core asshats who were there should all be in prison for life. The politicians who drove the narrative, then defended the events and then actively attempted to stop investigations should be banned form office.

The justice system is broken for most people.
 
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blackangst1

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Peter Navaro gives up the entire plan which is predicated on overturing the electors in battleground states based on...

wait for it....

Trump's claim of voter fraud. You know that thing people like @blackangst1 keep buying into. If those claims had been pushed by Republicans in those various states @blackangst1 would have been one of the first defending that bogus claim.



"Keep buying in to"??? What the actual fuck? If I kept buying into the lie of mass voter fraud why would I post comments like this?

Voter fraud doesnt exist.
No. Theyre looking for proof of unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud. Seems most people would be OK with that.

edit: additionally, tax money isnt being used.
Ok well...I guess everyone else on this board who has said that same thing is also wrong.

Edit I guess you're not aware of generalities. I also said "voter fraud doesn't exist to the extent of changing elections".

Quit nitpicking.

Shall I go on you clueless idiot?
 

Commodus

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I understand what you are saying, however compare and contrast that to people caught with a few ounces of pot. If we normalized sentencing on being thrown in jail for years for something like pot possession just a few short years ago, these people would be drawn and quartered in the public square. These 30 day sentences should be retroactively applied to all the joint smokers in the joint.

The instigators and hard core asshats who were there should all be in prison for life. The politicians who drove the narrative, then defended the events and then actively attempted to stop investigations should be banned form office.

The justice system is broken for most people.

I agree; pot possession in small quantities should really be legal, and any harsh sentences wiped off the map.

I certainly wouldn't mind the punishments you suggest for the Capitol invaders and their supporters in office. As for the hangers-on... me, I'll just be satisfied knowing that their careers will be forever tainted; treason doesn't exactly sound good in a job interview.
 

Commodus

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Your sentiments reflects the stark difference between our democratically run nation and those authoritarian ones like Russia, China, NK and the like.

Had those rioters been in the latter named countries, well we all know many of them would have never made it into the Capitol building alive, let alone be allowed to disperse after the fact.

Apparently the US did have deadly force ready to go at the Capitol if things went truly off the rails (the insurrectionists started capturing politicians, for example). That still supports your point of how the US exercised restraint authoritarian regimes wouldn't, of course — it's just wild to think that the insurrection could have ended with many more casualties.
 

conehead433

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"Florida's DeSantis: Comparisons of Jan. 6 to 9/11 'insult to the people that were going into those buildings"

He must be talking about the passengers on the planes that were going into the WTC. I absolutely agree that there should not be a comparison of the scum that attacked our Capitol and the innocents who happened to be on those planes.
 

blackangst1

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Apparently the US did have deadly force ready to go at the Capitol if things went truly off the rails (the insurrectionists started capturing politicians, for example). That still supports your point of how the US exercised restraint authoritarian regimes wouldn't, of course — it's just wild to think that the insurrection could have ended with many more casualties.

Read that earlier. Pretty interesting.
 

Roger Wilco

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"Florida's DeSantis: Comparisons of Jan. 6 to 9/11 'insult to the people that were going into those buildings"

He must be talking about the passengers on the planes that were going into the WTC. I absolutely agree that there should not be a comparison of the scum that attacked our Capitol and the innocents who happened to be on those planes.

I think the comparison is between the scum that attacked our Capitol and the scum who were flying the planes.
 

ch33zw1z

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"Florida's DeSantis: Comparisons of Jan. 6 to 9/11 'insult to the people that were going into those buildings"

He must be talking about the passengers on the planes that were going into the WTC. I absolutely agree that there should not be a comparison of the scum that attacked our Capitol and the innocents who happened to be on those planes.

I mean, both groups want to burn it down. Did we forget the burn it down cries from magatarians already? I know, it was a whole couple years ago
 
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