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Trump calls MS 13 members "animals"

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fskimospy said:
Right wing terrorists have killed more people in the US than MS-13 has over the last year, for one. Strangely enough we rarely hear conservatives talking about how we need to crack down on right wing extremism. (At least of the white, christian variety)

Second, he said ‘in the world’. The worst, most violent gang in the US would get laughed out of the room by Mexican cartels and criminal gangs in other parts of the world.

Doesn’t mean these aren’t horrible, violent people, but the idea that they are the most violent group in the world is a fucking joke.
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I wonder what the stats are for denying aslyum to those trying to get away from MS13 violence. If they are so horrible why don't we do more to help?

Oh, that isn't the point of his rant. I won't be shocked if we have to shut it all down again till we figure out what is going on.

Except this time it will be central American countries that are impacted.
 
brycejones said:
I wonder what the stats are for denying aslyum to those trying to get away from MS13 violence. If they are so horrible why don't we do more to help?

Oh, that isn't the point of his rant. I won't be shocked if we have to shut it all down again till we figure out what is going on.

Except this time it will be central American countries that are impacted.
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Because Trump isn’t interested in them outside of a way to go after nonwhite immigration.
 
Ichinisan said:
I'm saying that person was directly inspired by Hillary Clinton's words. Someone tried to imply that dehumanizing rhetoric is a right-wing thing.
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And it is. What's your point?

Quick question: who is your middle of the road person? How do you define who is left or right?
 
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fskimospy said:
Right wing terrorists have killed more people in the US than MS-13 has over the last year, for one.
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https://cis.org/Report/MS13-Resurgence-Immigration-Enforcement-Needed-Take-Back-Our-Streets

Prove this. MS-13 members have been tried for 207 murders since 2012. That's roughly 34 per year, and these of course just cases that have gone to trial.

Just in one county in NV, five MS-13 gang members were arrested for the murders of 10 people in the past year.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/3781...rs-arrested-for-10-murders-in-southern-nevada

In New York, Suffolk county has reported around 15 MS-13 murders the past year, which is a recurring stat there.
http://time.com/4783163/ms-13-gang/

Just two counties, 25 MS-13 murders in the past year.

It's easy to compile more than 34 killings by citing murders in other parts of those states, and also Virginia, NC, Maryland, New Jersey... heck, I wonder if any in California, or Texas where one might suspect, since these gangs originate there.



Show where 'right wing terrorists' have killed more people in the US this past year.

Also, let's just ignore the GI-NORMOUS loophole the focus on just one street gang is. Does anyone really give a shit what name some bunch of punks calls themselves when they are committing heinous crimes? Is that the out here? So the Latin Kings, 18th Street, Mexican Mafia and all the other violent gangs and their crimes don't count I guess.



Doesn’t mean these aren’t horrible, violent people, but the idea that they are the most violent group in the world is a fucking joke.
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Calling them "the most violent group" is indeed silly, but really. With regard to calling them 'animals', who cares about qualifying that against some make-believe scale of what it means to be ranked a rotten group?

I think killing mostly teen-aged people, with knives, machetes, baseball bats and guns- most of them not other gang members but completely innocent people- qualifies as a "rotten bunch of shitheads" or even "animals" by most people's definitions.
 
Zaap said:
https://cis.org/Report/MS13-Resurgence-Immigration-Enforcement-Needed-Take-Back-Our-Streets

Prove this. MS-13 members have been tried for 207 murders since 2012. That's roughly 34 per year, and these of course just cases that have gone to trial.

Just in one county in NV, five MS-13 gang members were arrested for the murders of 10 people in the past year.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/3781...rs-arrested-for-10-murders-in-southern-nevada

In New York, Suffolk county has reported around 15 MS-13 murders the past year, which is a recurring stat there.
http://time.com/4783163/ms-13-gang/

Just two counties, 25 MS-13 murders in the past year.

It's easy to compile more than 34 killings by citing murders in other parts of those states, and also Virginia, NC, Maryland, New Jersey... heck, I wonder if any in California, or Texas where one might suspect, since these gangs originate there.

Show where 'right wing terrorists' have killed more people in the US this past year.

Also, let's just ignore the GI-NORMOUS loophole the focus on just one street gang is. Does anyone really give a shit what name some bunch of punks calls themselves when they are committing heinous crimes? Is that the out here? So the Latin Kings, 18th Street, Mexican Mafia and all the other violent gangs and their crimes don't count I guess.

Calling them "the most violent group" is indeed silly, but really. With regard to calling them 'animals', who cares about qualifying that against some make-believe scale of what it means to be ranked a rotten group?

I think killing mostly teen-aged people, with knives, machetes, baseball bats and guns- most of them not other gang members but completely innocent people- qualifies as a "rotten bunch of shitheads" or even "animals" by most people's definitions.
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You fucking idiot, right wing terrorists have killed more than 34 people in the last year.

Las Vegas.

Durrrrrrr.
 
fskimospy said:
You fucking idiot, right wing terrorists have killed more than 34 people in the last year.

Las Vegas.

Durrrrrrr.
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Holy shit you've become one of the biggest dumbasses around here.

There's absolutely no one that classified the LV shooter as a 'right wing terrorist'.

What a hopeless dipshit you are at times.
 
Zaap said:
Holy shit you've become one of the biggest dumbasses around here.

There's absolutely no one that classified the LV shooter as a 'right wing terrorist'.

What a hopeless dipshit you are at times.
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Suck a dick!!

The documents were released after a prolonged legal battle between AP and the Las Vegas Police Department, and contain, among other things, interviews with people who interacted with Paddock in the days and weeks leading up to the Oct. 1 shooting. People recalled Paddock railing about gun control and against the government.

One man told the FBI and police that less than one month before the massacre, Paddock responded to his online ad selling schematics which showed how to transform your semi-automatic rifle to make it fire like an automatic weapon. “Somebody has to wake up the American public and get them to arm themselves,” the man recalled Paddock saying during their meeting outside a Las Vegas sporting goods store. “Sometimes sacrifices have to be made.”
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https://news.vice.com/en_us/article...t-wing-conspiracies-weeks-before-the-massacre
 
Zaap said:
Holy shit you've become one of the biggest dumbasses around here.

There's absolutely no one that classified the LV shooter as a 'right wing terrorist'.

What a hopeless dipshit you are at times.
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Lol, you hopeless dipshit. What do you classify a guy ranting about the government taking your guns as?

https://apnews.com/f467daaa52864d3ba2eaca4c7708e2e5

Tell me more about how he’s not a right wing terrorist though. 🙂

The sheer stupidity of some people.
 
fskimospy said:
You fucking idiot, right wing terrorists have killed more than 34 people in the last year.

Las Vegas.

Durrrrrrr.
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"34? Shit. Here. Hold my detonator..."
 
Like I said, you've become one of the biggest dumbasses here.

Nothing there has *anyone* of any merit labeling the LV shooter as a 'right wing terrorist'.

Out of over 1000 pages of witness statements you've got a jailhouse interview with someone claiming to have met Paddock and supposedly what he said. And another some lady who 'thinks' she saw Paddock..! Both are pathetic!

Meanwhile, his family, friends, neighbors- pretty much EVERYONE who ever knew the guy or had any dealings with him says he has no political interests what-so-ever!

You're such a dumbass. You made a totally false claim and now are doing your usual spin!

Btw- you're far too dumb to realize this, but based on this sort of flimsy BS as a 'standard' for creating political terror motivations out of thin air... virtually every member of MS-13 and many other murderous criminals could be classified as left wing terrorists!
 
Zaap said:
Like I said, you've become one of the biggest dumbasses here.

Nothing there has *anyone* of any merit labeling the LV shooter as a 'right wing terrorist'.

Out of over 1000 pages of witness statements you've got a jailhouse interview with someone claiming to have met Paddock and supposedly what he said. And another some lady who 'thinks' she saw Paddock..! Both are pathetic!

Meanwhile, his family, friends, neighbors- pretty much EVERYONE who ever knew the guy or had any dealings with him says he has no political interests what-so-ever!

You're such a dumbass. You made a totally false claim and now are doing your usual spin!

Btw- you're far too dumb to realize this, but based on this sort of flimsy BS as a 'standard' for creating political terror motivations out of thin air... virtually every member of MS-13 and many other murderous criminals could be classified as left wing terrorists!
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You could always just say ‘oops, I fucked up.’ Instead I guess you’ve decided to become ‘one of the biggest dumbasses here’.

Lol. The sheer dumbness.
 
^ Absolute perfect illustration of how the left deludes itself. There's not a SINGLE legit news orginazation classifying Paddock as a 'right wing terrorist.'

Show one.

Out of thousands of pages of testimony, a couple of people who it's not even proven actually saw or met the shooter, doesn't outweigh the fact NO ONE who it's actually confirmed knew, lived next to, is a family member of, etc etc identifies any political motivation what-so-ever to the guy.

I guess it can be claimed you're a member of ISIS because someone who may have never even seen or met you says so!
 
fskimospy said:
You could always just say ‘oops, I fucked up.’ Instead I guess you’ve decided to become ‘one of the biggest dumbasses here’.

Lol. The sheer dumbness.
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You're a textbook example of why leftwhingers have ZERO credibility with me and many others.

You lie CONSTANTLY about virtually everything.
 
Zaap said:
^ Absolute perfect illustration of how the left deludes itself. There's not a SINGLE legit news orginazation classifying Paddock as a 'right wing terrorist.'

Show one.

Out of thousands of pages of testimony, a couple of people who it's not even proven actually saw or met the shooter, doesn't outweigh the fact NO ONE who it's actually confirmed knew, lived next to, is a family member of, etc etc identifies any political motivation what-so-ever to the guy.

I guess it can be claimed you're a member of ISIS because someone who may have never even seen or met you says so!
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Suddenly the AP is not a legit news organization.

Look, you said something stupid and got called on it. Better to just accept it and move on. The lesson for next time is to know what you’re talking about before you start babbling.
 
Zaap said:
You're a textbook example of why leftwhingers have ZERO credibility with me and many others.

You lie CONSTANTLY about virtually everything.
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Why are you so mad at me for pointing out that you’re an idiot? Don’t be mad at me, I’m just the messenger. Be mad at yourself.
 
fskimospy said:
Why are you so mad at me for pointing out that you’re an idiot? Don’t be mad at me, I’m just the messenger. Be mad at yourself.
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He's mad because he's one crazy thought away from being just like the Las Vegas shooter. Its a reality he will deny until he's dead or he goes out in his own "blaze of glory". To know that you stand on the same side of a guy that murdered dozens of people must be pretty traumatic.
 
Liberals need to get better at marketing. Taking a position that is nuanced that dehumanizing gang members is a slippery slope because immigrants this and because humans that is just way too complicated for most folks. So pick your battles. Think about optics. Violent gang members are animals. Let it slide. You aren't going to win the PR battle on this one with the average American. At the end of the day we are in a battle for average Americans to get votes. With votes comes power. Then you can get more nuanced again.
 
fskimospy said:
Suddenly the AP is not a legit news organization.
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LOL! Show me where the AP or anyone else has declared the Vegas shooter's motives known, or labeled him right wing. Go ahead, dipshit.

You're too dumb to know what you're citing is a jailhouse snitch (the stereotype of the least reliable source possible!) and some lady who just thinks she overheard someone who she thought looked like the shooter... that's pretty pathetic.

These two cherrypicked out of 1200 pages!

Now, I'm not surprised in the LEAST that to you that's all that's needed to assign a politcal motivation to someone NOONE who ever met the guy (confirmed that is!) knows of any political views he had, let alone being a 'right wing terrorist'

But thanks for the PERFECT illustration of why you're a know-nothing nitwit, and how every political position you hold is based on ignorance, misinformation, absurd interpretations of things and never any actual hard facts.
 
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