Trump being racist again. Immigrants "infest" the country

[Victorian Gray]

Is it okay to dehumanize Nazis?

I dunno. What do you think is appropriate when folks seem to actually renounce their own humanity?

 

[realibrad]

you mean something along the lines of
"wow, that nazi is so nice, look at him volunteering at a christian youth center"?
And it's not like being a nazi or a klansmen is a weekend hobby or something. Are you actually defending nazis or klansmen here?

I mean like someone believing in Nazi ideas but doing nothing beyond going to rallies vs committing genocide. Also, why are you shifting to me defending them. I know where I stand, but I'm curious as to where others stand.

 

[realibrad]

I dunno. What do you think is appropriate when folks seem to actually renounce their own humanity?

If they are committing genocide you do everything in your power to stop them, and that includes killing them. It even justifies unwilling sacrifices for the greater good.

The framing seems to be that Nazis of today are the same as the Nazis of Germany. That seems strange because Nazis of Germany committed genocide as well as other horrible acts, while the "Nazis" of today seem to be racists. If those racists start trying to enact the same things as the German Nazis then the reaction should be the same as it was then. It just seems that people are equating the two then for not at the very least there are big differences.

 

[Jhhnn]

Was illegal immigration not the topic of Trumps tweet? Or did he say immigrants and I added the word illegal myself?

I’ve never had a single nice thing to say about Trump and hate him as much as, if not more than you. I know he is a racist, but that doesn’t mean every single thing he says is racist. I take the words at face value.

It was, and nobody has argued in favor of illegal immigration.

 

[Victorian Gray]

If they are committing genocide you do everything in your power to stop them, and that includes killing them. It even justifies unwilling sacrifices for the greater good.

The framing seems to be that Nazis of today are the same as the Nazis of Germany. That seems strange because Nazis of Germany committed genocide as well as other horrible acts, while the "Nazis" of today seem to be racists. If those racists start trying to enact the same things as the German Nazis then the reaction should be the same as it was then. It just seems that people are equating the two then for not at the very least there are big differences.

If I declare myself to be a nazi then I declare that I believe that certain people should, for example, be imprisoned, tortured, medically experimented on, killed and tossed into ovens simply because they are Jews or Roma or (fill in fave target of nazis) then I've already renounced my own humanity.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I mean like someone believing in Nazi ideas but doing nothing beyond going to rallies vs committing genocide. Also, why are you shifting to me defending them. I know where I stand, but I'm curious as to where others stand.

I'm done. Find another sucker to debate the merits of someone being a nazi, yet still being a good person. In my mind, those cannot co-exist. Good luck with your discussion.

 

[Jhhnn]

If they are committing genocide you do everything in your power to stop them, and that includes killing them. It even justifies unwilling sacrifices for the greater good.

The framing seems to be that Nazis of today are the same as the Nazis of Germany. That seems strange because Nazis of Germany committed genocide as well as other horrible acts, while the "Nazis" of today seem to be racists. If those racists start trying to enact the same things as the German Nazis then the reaction should be the same as it was then. It just seems that people are equating the two then for not at the very least there are big differences.

So, uhh, we have to wait for them to gain more power before we can stop them? Wait & see if they're different than old fashioned Nazis?

 

[HomerJS]

LOL!

You call Trump and his supports Nazis but you have no idea what a Nazi really is. You need to study history. And, yes, illegal aliens do constitute an infestation.

Find the quote where I called Trump a Nazi.

Find it I'll leave this forum. Don't find it and you leave.

 

[soulcougher73]

So just having a document suddenly changes everything for you?

Pretty much. One is an illegal act and the other isn’t. I’m fine with the non illegal acts of immigration.

 

[sportage]

Anandtech.
It's now time.
We need a entirely new area added titled "Donald Trump Said ...WTF?"

One thing for sure and I'm shocked Trump doesn't talk about this A LOT!
That being, since elected and going back even further, Donald Trump's name has been spoken AND in print more than Jesus Christ himself.
The name Donald Trump has been spoken, come out of the mouth of more human beings than the name of Jesus.
Seriously.
Who wants to make wagers on this?
And WHY has Donald Trump not brought this up himself?

The Beatles were once lamb blasted for saying they were more popular than Jesus Christ.
Donald Trump may not be as popular, yet, but his name no doubt has been in print and discussed subject matter than the name of Jesus Christ.
Come-on Donald.....
Would it not be great, for you that is, to suggest you are the second coming as prophesied
in scripture?
Jeff Session's would be on board with that.

 

[realibrad]

If I declare myself to be a nazi then I declare that I believe that certain people should, for example, be imprisoned, tortured, medically experimented on, killed and tossed into ovens simply because they are Jews or Roma or (fill in fave target of nazis) then I've already renounced my own humanity.

So what does that mean? Should that person be killed on site? Should we wait until someone has committed a crime, or do we punish them before? And if we do, what should the punishment be for racist and hateful beliefs?

 

[realibrad]

I'm done. Find another sucker to debate the merits of someone being a nazi, yet still being a good person. In my mind, those cannot co-exist. Good luck with your discussion.

There are merits of being a Nazi. Why would you make that statement? My question is, what do you do with Nazis? For example, do you try to rehabilitate them before they harm someone, or do you treat them as if they already have?

 

[realibrad]

So, uhh, we have to wait for them to gain more power before we can stop them? Wait & see if they're different than old fashioned Nazis?

Is that what you read? Weird because I said nothing even close to saying we need to wait before they gain power. What I asked is, how do you treat them?

Let me ask you this, other than murdering them, what do you want to do?

 

[Victorian Gray]

So what does that mean? Should that person be killed on site? Should we wait until someone has committed a crime, or do we punish them before? And if we do, what should the punishment be for racist and hateful beliefs?

I dunno, I think we should nominate you to go out and give them all a stern talking to. Maybe you could debate the *real* meaning of the word nazi with them.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

There are merits of being a Nazi. Why would you make that statement? My question is, what do you do with Nazis? For example, do you try to rehabilitate them before they harm someone, or do you treat them as if they already have?

Not to be a dick, but what part of "I'm done" got lost on you?

 

[soulcougher73]

Not to be a dick, but what part of "I'm done" got lost on you?

The fact you replied to him when you’re done?

 

[realibrad]

Not to be a dick, but what part of "I'm done" got lost on you?

Right, because you were not being a dick before. Sorry, it just went right over my head.

I ask all of you this, is it really so hard to give an answer on what to do with Nazis other than murder them? You all act so tough, but when it comes down to giving some small amount of detail, you lash out. When push comes to shove and things might need to happen, will you really fight?

 

[soulcougher73]

Right, because you were not being a dick before. Sorry, it just went right over my head.

I ask all of you this, is it really so hard to give an answer on what to do with Nazis other than murder them? You all act so tough, but when it comes down to giving some small amount of detail, you lash out. When push comes to shove and things might need to happen, will you really fight?

I actually understand what you are trying to get at. But I believe the others are saying to not give people of Nazi ideaology any power or platform to gain power in fear of what that ideaology can produce.

Sort of reminds me of minority report movie of taking them down before an act is committed in a way. And by doing so you have sort of stooped to their level and playing their game in doing so. It’s a slippery slope of free speech and freedom getting out of hand.

 

[theeedude]

Immigrants aren't the infestation, they are the cure.

 

[Herr Kutz]

Immigrants aren't the infestation, they are the cure.

The cure to what exactly? I anxiously await your racist answer.

 

[realibrad]

Immigrants aren't the infestation, they are the cure.

They are not a cure, they just make life better.

 

[theeedude]

The cure to what exactly? I anxiously await your racist answer.

Cure to Republican trashiness, laziness, and ignorance. It's not a race thing, it's a culture thing. If someone comes here with no English, with nothing, and makes something of themselves, they didn't take it from your lazy opioid munching junky ass. They created value for society and captured a portion of it for themselves.

 

[feralkid]

Is that what you read? Weird because I said nothing even close to saying we need to wait before they gain power. What I asked is, how do you treat them?

Let me ask you this, other than murdering them, what do you want to do?

I could think of a couple things, but just for starters...

Then maybe on to the second course:

 

[realibrad]

I could think of a couple things, but just for starters...

Then maybe on to the second course:

Is this your actual honest response, or is it internet tough guy stuff? And to be clear, this is what you are suggesting for anyone that is a Nazi correct?

 

[Jhhnn]

Is that what you read? Weird because I said nothing even close to saying we need to wait before they gain power. What I asked is, how do you treat them?

Let me ask you this, other than murdering them, what do you want to do?

It's all diversionary from the topic at hand, of course. You were trying desperately to mitigate the awful nature of a Trump tweet & when that failed you tried to change the subject to something more tractable like Nazis.

There's nothing new about Trump. He uses classic authoritarian tactics.

https://www.facebook.com/actdottv/videos/806423446214890/?t=176

And the way to beat him his with peaceful protest at every level.