Discussion Trump and Zelensky in face to face argument

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Westview

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What I dont understand if Z didnt want to make that mineral deal, then why TF did he fly all the way over to see Trump??!
 
Indus

Indus

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HomerJS said:
The United States is the embarrassment of the world. Zelensky tries to tell them treaties are meaningless with Putin because he just breaks them. Trump and Vance yell back at Zelensky that he isn't thanking Trump enough and that is disrespectful.

A bullet to the head is too good for Trump.

Let's see how Fox and other right wing media spin this into being Zelensky's fault. MAGAts are so fucking brainwashed.
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BTW if you think this is bad.. they're going to push for the same with Gaza and the West Bank and Taiwan.

The problem seems to be Europe seems to care about Ukraine because they don't trust/ like Russians.
 
Indus

Indus

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WelshBloke said:
Well Trumps just sentenced a lot of Ukrainian women and children to death.

That'll definitely go down in history.
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Oh you can't take that idiot at face value.

Funny thing is I don't even need to lift a finger.

The #1 weapon in killing MAGA voters is Trump himself.

Just take away their medicare, medicaid, social security, snap benefits, va benefits, planned parenthood, vaccines, reduce the dollar to shit so it takes $10 to buy eggs.. and just sit back and LOL!
 
IronWing

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Westview said:
What I dont understand if Z didnt want to make that mineral deal, then why TF did he fly all the way over to see Trump??!
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Z was willing to sign the deal. Trump had no intention of ever making the deal and used this opportunity to scuttle it. Trump, Vance, and their pet reporter had this planned in advance. There is nothing Z could have said that would have changed the outcome.
 
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HomerJS

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Brovane said:
Interesting exchange. I wonder if earlier this week European leaders told him not to beg to Trump and they had his back.


ZELENSKYY: Putin broke the ceasefire. What kind of diplomacy, JD, are you even talking about?

VANCE: I think it's disrespectful to come into the Oval Office and try to litigate this in front of the American media.

ZELENSKYY: Disrespectful? My country is under attack, millions displaced, thousands killed—and you’re worried about optics?

TRUMP: Look, we have to be smart. We can’t just keep giving you blank checks.

ZELENSKYY: Blank checks? Every dollar goes to defending our people from an invasion. Meanwhile, you have no problem giving tax cuts to billionaires.

TRUMP: We need accountability. Americans want to know where their money is going.

ZELENSKYY: It’s going to keeping democracy alive. You talk about ‘America First,’ but if Ukraine falls, Russia doesn’t stop here.

VANCE: We just think Ukraine needs to be realistic.

ZELENSKYY: Realistic? Russia is committing war crimes. They’re kidnapping our children, bombing hospitals, executing civilians. Should we be ‘realistic’ and just accept that?

TRUMP: Look, if I was president before, this never would’ve happened.

ZELENSKYY: Because you would’ve handed Ukraine over. That’s not strength—it’s appeasement.

TRUMP: Putin respects me. We would’ve had peace in 24 hours.

ZELENSKYY: Peace or surrender? Because your idea of peace is giving Putin exactly what he wants.

TRUMP: You don’t have the cards right now. You have to be thankful.

ZELENSKYY: Thankful? For what? For being forced to beg for support while Russia slaughters my people?

TRUMP: We’re just saying, you need to be flexible.

ZELENSKYY: No, I need weapons, air defenses, security guarantees—not another fake deal where Ukraine loses everything.

VANCE: Well, this isn’t Ukraine’s war alone. It’s costing Americans billions.

ZELENSKYY: And what happens when Russia wins and moves west? Do you think stopping them gets cheaper later?

TRUMP: I don’t like endless wars.

ZELENSKYY: Endless? This war only drags on because Russia refuses to stop. Not because Ukraine won’t fight.

TRUMP: Well, we have to look at America’s interests.

ZELENSKYY: America’s interests? You let Putin win, you destroy NATO, you embolden China, you weaken America’s alliances. That’s not putting America first. That’s handing it over
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Hope you are right. Zelensky has been kissing the ass of the US up to now. This is a change
 
FelixDeCat

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Westview said:
What I dont understand if Z didnt want to make that mineral deal, then why TF did he fly all the way over to see Trump??!
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Z mentioned that he needs US support so as to not drive a wedge with European allies.

He was willing to work with Trump but Vance got his feathers ruffled and everything ended poorly for now.

Why Vance was even speaking is odd. Most VPs never say much during these kinds of meetings.
 
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nakedfrog

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Indus said:
Nevermind.. if you know you know. Thanks Trump for doing my bidding!
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Your original proposal is insane, and one of the fastest, easiest ways to get martial law. You don't want that, I assure you. Everyone loses then.
Wait for Project 2025 to start hurting MAGA, they will shed at least some of their supporters--remember, that's how these people work; once it affects THEM personally, then they can understand an issue.
 
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Indus

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nakedfrog said:
Your original proposal is insane, and one of the fastest, easiest ways to get martial law. You don't want that, I assure you. Everyone loses then.
Wait for Project 2025 to start hurting MAGA, they will shed at least some of their supporters--remember, that's how these people work; once it affects THEM personally, then they can understand an issue.
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Most of em are too far gone like pcgecko.. that's how they always manage to get 47% or more of the vote.

But you have a point.. crazy is okay.. insane is not!
 
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eelw

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HomerJS said:
Of course, Russia and Trump on the same side. Fox News will soon have their back.
www.ndtv.com

"Historic, Insolent Pig": What Russia Said After Trump-Zelensky Fight In Oval Office

Russia's foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova on Friday said US President Donald Trump showed "restraint" by not hitting Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky during their shouting match in the White House.
www.ndtv.com www.ndtv.com
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Is SS in the room? But lol the orange monkey punching? Zelensky probably could snap the orange monkeys neck before Vance would react.
 
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gothuevos

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Jaskalas said:
That's why Vance will lead MAGA into full blown Nazism.
Trump is too feeble to pursue pure evil, but his religion will live on long after he dies.

The United States is an enemy of the free world. Of everything the post-war peace was built upon. United States is actively working to destroy it all.
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"Are we....are we the baddies?"
 
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manly

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RalphTheCow said:
Holy crap! Zelensky really gave it to Trump! Unfortunately truth is not something that works any more. We are in the looking glass.
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Holy shit, that transcript is incredible. On the one hand, huge kudos to Zelenskyy for standing up to two thugs representing daddy Vladdy.
OTOH he went so overboard with the truth that he knew there's no walking back from this.

I'm equally shocked and impressed at how directly Zelenskyy refuted every line from Trump & Vance. He's basically saying that Trump is a lapdog of Putin.
 
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