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Jaskalas

Jaskalas

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RalphTheCow said:
Vance is horrible. Racing t rump to the bottom.
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That's why Vance will lead MAGA into full blown Nazism.
Trump is too feeble to pursue pure evil, but his religion will live on long after he dies.

The United States is an enemy of the free world. Of everything the post-war peace was built upon. United States is actively working to destroy it all.
 
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HomerJS

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Wonder if this was meant to be a public display to distract from the following? I'm shocked Bondi released this list. She couldn't have reviewed it.

people.com

Donald Trump Named in Jeffrey Epstein Flight Logs Released by His Own Attorney General

President Donald Trump is named in the Jeffrey Epstein flight logs released by his own attorney general, Pam Bondi. The very first flight log documents Trump flying with Epstein seven times, including twice with his then-wife Marla Maples and their daughter Tiffany.
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Brovane

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Interesting exchange. I wonder if earlier this week European leaders told him not to beg to Trump and they had his back.


ZELENSKYY: Putin broke the ceasefire. What kind of diplomacy, JD, are you even talking about?

VANCE: I think it's disrespectful to come into the Oval Office and try to litigate this in front of the American media.

ZELENSKYY: Disrespectful? My country is under attack, millions displaced, thousands killed—and you’re worried about optics?

TRUMP: Look, we have to be smart. We can’t just keep giving you blank checks.

ZELENSKYY: Blank checks? Every dollar goes to defending our people from an invasion. Meanwhile, you have no problem giving tax cuts to billionaires.

TRUMP: We need accountability. Americans want to know where their money is going.

ZELENSKYY: It’s going to keeping democracy alive. You talk about ‘America First,’ but if Ukraine falls, Russia doesn’t stop here.

VANCE: We just think Ukraine needs to be realistic.

ZELENSKYY: Realistic? Russia is committing war crimes. They’re kidnapping our children, bombing hospitals, executing civilians. Should we be ‘realistic’ and just accept that?

TRUMP: Look, if I was president before, this never would’ve happened.

ZELENSKYY: Because you would’ve handed Ukraine over. That’s not strength—it’s appeasement.

TRUMP: Putin respects me. We would’ve had peace in 24 hours.

ZELENSKYY: Peace or surrender? Because your idea of peace is giving Putin exactly what he wants.

TRUMP: You don’t have the cards right now. You have to be thankful.

ZELENSKYY: Thankful? For what? For being forced to beg for support while Russia slaughters my people?

TRUMP: We’re just saying, you need to be flexible.

ZELENSKYY: No, I need weapons, air defenses, security guarantees—not another fake deal where Ukraine loses everything.

VANCE: Well, this isn’t Ukraine’s war alone. It’s costing Americans billions.

ZELENSKYY: And what happens when Russia wins and moves west? Do you think stopping them gets cheaper later?

TRUMP: I don’t like endless wars.

ZELENSKYY: Endless? This war only drags on because Russia refuses to stop. Not because Ukraine won’t fight.

TRUMP: Well, we have to look at America’s interests.

ZELENSKYY: America’s interests? You let Putin win, you destroy NATO, you embolden China, you weaken America’s alliances. That’s not putting America first. That’s handing it over
 
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HomerJS

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The United States is the embarrassment of the world. Zelensky tries to tell them treaties are meaningless with Putin because he just breaks them. Trump and Vance yell back at Zelensky that he isn't thanking Trump enough and that is disrespectful.

A bullet to the head is too good for Trump.

Let's see how Fox and other right wing media spin this into being Zelensky's fault. MAGAts are so fucking brainwashed.
 
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Indus

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HomerJS said:
The United States is the embarrassment of the world. Zelensky tries to tell them treaties are meaningless with Putin because he just breaks them. Trump and Vance yell back at Zelensky that he isn't thanking Trump enough and that is disrespectful.

A bullet to the head is too good for Trump.
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Maybe the Disunited States can do better.. just an idea!
 
K1052

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I think the risk for Putin is that too much winning here is actually a bad thing if it causes Europe to rearm and massively step up support for Ukraine. He needs a pause in the war this year, one he now looks unlikely to achieve.
 
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The sight of Trump and Vance ganging up on Zelenskyy, trying to verbally beat him into submission is a sight I couldn't continue watching. Trump insisting Zelenskyy should thank him for the Javelins that Trump previously tried to leverage Zelenskyy into providing evidence against Biden took me over the edge into WTF Land and well, I can't find the words for it at the moment because I am still dumbstruck over the idea that Trump and Vance resorted to such vile and unheard of behavior.

The world was watching how the mighty USA can turn on it's democratically led (former) allies including NATO simply because one undeserving man got ahold of the reins of power and is being controlled by one of our nation's most dangerous enemies.

Trump wants peace but he obviously wants it exactly the way Putin wants it. I really do hope our intelligence services haven't been kompromized enough by Trump's lackeys to where they can still keep track of Trump's underhanded dealings with Putin and provide the evidence needed to keep the pages of history as unaltered as possible.

Surely, just as Bush Jr. and Dick Cheney tried to re-write history in their favor, the Trump regime will attempt the same, only more so because Trump and his cohorts have so much more to hide, to be humiliated over.
 
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WelshBloke

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Brovane said:
Interesting exchange. I wonder if earlier this week European leaders told him not to beg to Trump and they had his back.


ZELENSKYY: Putin broke the ceasefire. What kind of diplomacy, JD, are you even talking about?

VANCE: I think it's disrespectful to come into the Oval Office and try to litigate this in front of the American media.

ZELENSKYY: Disrespectful? My country is under attack, millions displaced, thousands killed—and you’re worried about optics?

TRUMP: Look, we have to be smart. We can’t just keep giving you blank checks.

ZELENSKYY: Blank checks? Every dollar goes to defending our people from an invasion. Meanwhile, you have no problem giving tax cuts to billionaires.

TRUMP: We need accountability. Americans want to know where their money is going.

ZELENSKYY: It’s going to keeping democracy alive. You talk about ‘America First,’ but if Ukraine falls, Russia doesn’t stop here.

VANCE: We just think Ukraine needs to be realistic.

ZELENSKYY: Realistic? Russia is committing war crimes. They’re kidnapping our children, bombing hospitals, executing civilians. Should we be ‘realistic’ and just accept that?

TRUMP: Look, if I was president before, this never would’ve happened.

ZELENSKYY: Because you would’ve handed Ukraine over. That’s not strength—it’s appeasement.

TRUMP: Putin respects me. We would’ve had peace in 24 hours.

ZELENSKYY: Peace or surrender? Because your idea of peace is giving Putin exactly what he wants.

TRUMP: You don’t have the cards right now. You have to be thankful.

ZELENSKYY: Thankful? For what? For being forced to beg for support while Russia slaughters my people?

TRUMP: We’re just saying, you need to be flexible.

ZELENSKYY: No, I need weapons, air defenses, security guarantees—not another fake deal where Ukraine loses everything.

VANCE: Well, this isn’t Ukraine’s war alone. It’s costing Americans billions.

ZELENSKYY: And what happens when Russia wins and moves west? Do you think stopping them gets cheaper later?

TRUMP: I don’t like endless wars.

ZELENSKYY: Endless? This war only drags on because Russia refuses to stop. Not because Ukraine won’t fight.

TRUMP: Well, we have to look at America’s interests.

ZELENSKYY: America’s interests? You let Putin win, you destroy NATO, you embolden China, you weaken America’s alliances. That’s not putting America first. That’s handing it over
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I think that it was just getting obvious that Trump was just going to betray him anyway.
 
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