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Indus

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NWRMidnight said:
Is it opposite day? Because the only "little" boys in that photo are Trump and Vance.
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I think Beau called it a while ago.. the MAGA party has basically come to terms with.. "A weaker America where people are uneducated, unskilled, poor, destitute and having no hope is better for them as then they are easier to take advantage of".

We're just seeing their plan play out.
 
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VRAMdemon

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Westview said:
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In addition, since the written word is paramount, posts in P&N require personal commentary, not just links or just images or just anything.


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This is more appropriate...


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NWRMidnight said:
Is it opposite day? Because the only "little" boys in that photo are Trump and Vance.
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It's all projection all the time with the right. Whether Trump calling Zelensky a 'dictator', or the Qanon nonsense about 'child trafficking' being promoted by the same people who worship Andrew Tate, or the 'free speech absolutist' who rarely stops censoring or suing people and getting forums shut down for saying things he doesn't like. Hypocrisy and projection are the stock-in-trade of the right.

Have to say, I've become progressively more pro-Ukraine since the war started.

It's been a learning curve for me - at first (prior to the invasion actually happening) I was inclined to see the threat from Putin as overstated, given the very long history of the West painting every enemy de jour as the New Hitler (from Nasser, to Milosovic and Saddam, it happens every time, they're always the New Hitler), and the hypocrisy of the West in which aggressors it chooses to support and which to condemn... but it's become apparent that Putin is the closest that has been to being a legit description. I have to confess it took me a while to realise just how warped his world view is. Not only a gangster concerned with his own wealth and power, but also a crazy nationalist and the Russian Orthodox version of a US Christian Conservative.

Weird that the US has gone in the opposite direction over the same time.
 
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I think this is one way Trump could align US with Russia ... since the mineral deal is in the shitter, I am sure he could strike a similar deal with Russia IF they were to actually win the war... So a mineral mine deal interest in Putin prevailing.
 
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cytg111 said:
I think this is one way Trump could align US with Russia ... since the mineral deal is in the shitter, I am sure he could strike a similar deal with Russia IF they were to actually win the war... So a mineral mine deal interest in Putin prevailing.
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It would be a much different deal. Unless Russia needed investment dollars, they would just be selling minerals to American corps at market prices.
Not the original extortion attempt by Trump.
 
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K1052 said:
You don't post stuff like this when you think you've done a good job, even by Trump's abysmally low bar for himself.
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The notion that the US would respond, after fully pulling out of Europe and NATO.
Yeah, we'd see Putin's army massing at the border and we'd order Americans to flee for their lives.
That's it. That's the full extent of "our part" of the deal.

The specter of our assurance is just another god damn lie in a long string of America lying to Ukraine.
No more!

I pray Europe finds the strength to kill Russia.
 
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Jaskalas said:
The notion that the US would respond, after fully pulling out of Europe and NATO.
Yeah, we'd see Putin's army massing at the border and we'd order Americans to flee for their lives.
That's it. That's the full extent of "our part" of the deal.

The specter of our assurance is just another god damn lie in a long string of America lying to Ukraine.
No more!

I pray Europe finds the strength to kill Russia.
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We BACKSTABBED Ukraine and that will reverberate for generations! No one is going to trust America for decades if not centuries.

If Taiwan is smart.. they start assembling nukes and drones now.

If Ukraine is smart.. they start dealing with other countries that they can trade things for weapons of war now.

If Canada is smart.. it starts raising an army now.

If Mexico is smart.. it starts raising an army now.
 
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Sheesh, Starmer sounds like his usual vacuous neither-one-thing-nor-the-other self

www.theguardian.com

Starmer struggles to remain upright under the weight of his contradictions | Zoe Williams

Despite the White House meltdown, the prime minister claims Trump and Vance are not unreliable allies of Europe
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

“Europe and the US have to stand together and that position must be strong”; “I do not accept that the US is an unreliable ally”
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“a coalition of the willing, to defend a deal in Ukraine. Not every nation will feel able to contribute but that can’t mean that we sit back.” Here’s the kicker: “this effort must have US backing”.
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Ignoring the commentary of the article and just considering his direct statements - it's as if he's just ignoring what just happened in that meeting and everything Trump and Vance have said.
 
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The talking points are finally out. Freedomeagledotcom on Facebook says Zelenskyy mumbled bitch in his native language directed at Trump/Vance. That's all it takes to be gospel to the cult.
 
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HomerJS said:
Does he talk about himself in the third person because he is a psychopath or so people can just read his talking points without having to think?
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He ripped off somebody's FB post talking about him even through Trump does tend to refer to himself in the third person at times (also a sign of being nuts).
 
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Just like J6 conservatives working overtime trying to brainwash us into not believing what we all saw and heard.
 
nakedfrog

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dank69 said:
The talking points are finally out. Freedomeagledotcom on Facebook says Zelenskyy mumbled bitch in his native language directed at Trump/Vance. That's all it takes to be gospel to the cult.
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I had seen this elsewhere, claims that he said "cyka blyat", or "fuck you, bitch/whore/slut".
 
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