Trump and Un part II

[ewdotson]

The thing is, as much as Republicans' glaring hypocrisy sticks in my craw, if Trump were actually able to pull of something meaningful in an "only Nixon could go to China" sort of sense - I'd actually have no problems giving him credit for it. I just haven't seen enough to convince me he's really accomplishing much more than giving Kim the recognition he craves.

 

[Bitek]

Let's be real. Trump cut and run from Vietnam so he race home to shit post about Cohen freely.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Diplomacy is doing the hard work up front not just have reality show summits.

This guy is too lazy to do real work he just wants the photo-op

No dipshit, diplomacy is hard work when you're dealing with a nation that has historically reneged on countless past dealings.

Anytime you say "Take the sanctions off FIRST" is already a non-starter for anyone with half a brain.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The thing is, as much as Republicans' glaring hypocrisy sticks in my craw, if Trump were actually able to pull of something meaningful in an "only Nixon could go to China" sort of sense - I'd actually have no problems giving him credit for it. I just haven't seen enough to convince me he's really accomplishing much more than giving Kim the recognition he craves.

In terms of diplomacy, we saw it used by the North Koreans and it was for a benefit, that of Kim. He's played Trump twice now, increased his stature by showing that unlike his opposition, he's not an impotent dolt. Kim will do this again and again and again for as long as Trump will let him.

 

[trenchfoot]

So no deal because Trump the purported deal maker wanted a distraction and more face time on the world stage with KJU wanting the meet-up because every time he faces the useful idiot Trump he's gaining even more legitimacy as a worthy and equal foe against the most powerful nation on earth...........and the rest of the world is laughing at the sheer lunacy, the incredulous amount of wasted time and effort and all of it for reasons other than actually pulling the nuclear fangs out of KJU's maw. OK, got it.

As an aside, what are the odds that Trump's fake trip to the peninsula and Cohen's testifying at the legislature happening at the same time was a mere coincidence?

 

[HomerJS]

No dipshit, diplomacy is hard work when you're dealing with a nation that has historically reneged on countless past dealings.

Anytime you say "Take the sanctions off FIRST" is already a non-starter for anyone with half a brain.

And this is why nothing will happen with North Korea. Trump has shown over and over he doesn't want to do the hard work. He just wants to take credit for something.

Too bad your brain can't understand that.

 

[UNCjigga]

I’m more and more convinced that the sole purpose of this trip was for a draft dodger to fluff up his ego and one-up a senator who actually served but didn’t go to Vietnam. Mission accomplished Trump.

Not sure who the bigger tools are...the President or his fluffers itching to vote for him again.

 

[UNCjigga]

No dipshit, diplomacy is hard work when you're dealing with a nation that has historically reneged on countless past dealings.

Anytime you say "Take the sanctions off FIRST" is already a non-starter for anyone with half a brain.

I like how the guy complaining about lowering standards for AOC is now lowering the standards for Trump (as if they haven’t been lowered enough already.)

“Walking away from a moronic deal takes courage and guts!!”

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Anytime you say "Take the sanctions off FIRST" is already a non-starter for anyone with half a brain.

Anytime someone plays the game like Kim you don't show up unprepared, and have a mutually agreed framework with consequences if tricks are played, and STFU about it until it's over. Trump could perhaps be excused for his first attempt and failure but there's a quote from a far better, brighter and wiser human, GWB.

"There's an old saying in Tennessee I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says, fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again."

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I like how the guy complaining about lowering standards for AOC is now lowering the standards for Trump (as if they haven’t been lowered enough already.)

“Walking away from a moronic deal takes courage and guts!!”

Where did I say or indicate it "takes courage and guts!!" ? That's because I didn't dipshit. Never did. You guys are great at making statements for me that I never said.

 

[UNCjigga]

Where did I say or indicate it "takes courage and guts!!" ? That's because I didn't dipshit. Never did. You guys are great at making statements for me that I never said.

My bad.

“Walking away from a moronic deal is hard work!”

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Anytime someone plays the game like Kim you don't show up unprepared, and have a mutually agreed framework with consequences if tricks are played, and STFU about it until it's over. Trump could perhaps be excused for his first attempt and failure but there's a quote from a far better, brighter and wiser human, GWB.

"There's an old saying in Tennessee I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says, fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again."

Meh, considering the rampant rise in nuke tech advancements from N Korea, I think it was worth pursuing cautiously.

It's not like Trump was fooled here - he did what should be done, tried to reason with him but shut it down when ridiculous demands were made.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Meh, considering the rampant rise in nuke tech advancements from N Korea, I think it was worth pursuing cautiously.

It's not like Trump was fooled here - he did what should be done, tried to reason with him but shut it down when ridiculous demands were made.

There was no caution exhibited by the man who doesn't understand international agreements and MOI's. He winged it without due consideration, an off the cuff approach and should have known that this or something like this was bound to happen, something he was harshly critical of regarding past Presidents.

Trump "not being fooled" isn't mitigating because that means he expected Kim to piss all over him. That's better? Going in knowing you won't gain anything but will lose face while your opponent wins with a royal flush? In Kim's culture, face is worth killing for. It is the outward public prestige that Trump can't buy with whatever money he has. Kim has hit a billion dollar lottery payoff. Trump is lower than a whipped dog, and it matters. Maybe not to you or others or Trump, but it's true.

Only Chamberlain could have done worse and I'm not sure by how much.

No, you have your subordinates handle everything and you don't ever meet with Kim until absolutely everything has been signed by him first, contingent of course to Trump doing the same.

 

[VRAMdemon]

So..now Trump can say he went and got shot down in Vietnam.

 

[ElFenix]

So..now Trump can say he went and got shot down in Vietnam.

beat me to it!

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

There was no caution exhibited by the man who doesn't understand international agreements and MOI's. He winged it without due consideration, an off the cuff approach and should have known that this or something like this was bound to happen, something he was harshly critical of regarding past Presidents.

Trump "not being fooled" isn't mitigating because that means he expected Kim to piss all over him. That's better? Going in knowing you won't gain anything but will lose face while your opponent wins with a royal flush? In Kim's culture, face is worth killing for. It is the outward public prestige that Trump can't buy with whatever money he has. Kim has hit a billion dollar lottery payoff. Trump is lower than a whipped dog, and it matters. Maybe not to you or others or Trump, but it's true.

Only Chamberlain could have done worse and I'm not sure by how much.

No, you have your subordinates handle everything and you don't ever meet with Kim until absolutely everything has been signed by him first, contingent of course to Trump doing the same.

I won't disagree with what you're saying - but his admin is also the ones that put up such heavy sanctions that have been crushing him to the point of bringing him to the table.

Honestly I don't care to praise Trump or bash Trump here, I just want whats best - which is getting pieces of shit dictators like Kim and Maduro out of positions of power for the greater good of the world (specifically their countries where their people suffer).

 

[VRAMdemon]

Trump walking away was the right move. Going to Vietnam with no deal in sight was fucking stupid.

It's been clear from the outset that Kim was after sanctions being lifted in exchange for promising to take the first steps towards beginning a process that might eventually lead to something vaguely similar to denuclearization without any actual impact on DPRK's nuclear capabilities. Because that's how the Kim family rolls. That Trump was willing to talk at all suggested that he was willing to drop sanctions in exchange for promises (sure to be broken) that he could trumpet as a win, so I'm a bit confused as to why he'd have gone to the summit in the first place if he was going to walk out on that sort of offer. I know, the man is convinced of his own god-like negotiating capabilities and delusionally thought threatening to walk out would get a better offer from Kim.

So far as I can tell threatening to walk is the sum total of what Trump knows about negotiating strategy.

"I am gonna walk out if you don't give me what I want" is a small-minded person's tactic. If you are negotiating small things, it's a fine tactic. It works if you are negotiating with a guy over scalped Yankees tickets, or you're buying a Honda Civic. If you're negotiating something of enormous importance, complexity and nuance, where your adversary has done thousands of hours of background research on you and knows what your tendencies are, you'd better have a lot more tools in your box.

 

[sactoking]

The unindicted co-conspirator got to show the world how much of a traitor he is by condoning and forgiving the brutal torture of an American by a despotic regime simply because they said they didn't mean to torture him until he was brain dead. The torture slipped. Honestly. It was just an accident. All that torture.

 

[dawp]

Let's be real. Trump cut and run from Vietnam so he race home to shit post about Cohen freely.

I'm not so sure about that, could be kim has been watching international news and thinks trump wont be around much longer.

possible kim was making pre-meeting demands trump refused to meet, too.

 

[soundforbjt]

I'm not so sure about that, could be kim has been watching international news and thinks trump wont be around much longer.
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Did you catch Kim laughing when the reporter asked Trump about Cohen's testimony?

 

[dawp]

Did you catch Kim laughing when the reporter asked Trump about Cohen's testimony?

I rarely watch anything trump

 

[HomerJS]

The unindicted co-conspirator got to show the world how much of a traitor he is by condoning and forgiving the brutal torture of an American by a despotic regime simply because they said they didn't mean to torture him until he was brain dead. The torture slipped. Honestly. It was just an accident. All that torture.

Kim denies he knew about it and Trump responds

"We're good"

Such a representative of American values. You supporters must be so proud.

Same story with MBS.

 

[K1052]

I won't disagree with what you're saying - but his admin is also the ones that put up such heavy sanctions that have been crushing him to the point of bringing him to the table.

There was a piece done not too long ago about how the immense amount of smuggling that now goes on across the Chinese border and in the Yellow Sea has blunted a lot of the sanctions. Their economy is under less pressure than the admin would have you think. China, Russia, and Iran don't give a fuck.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

There was a piece done not too long ago about how the immense amount of smuggling that now goes on across the Chinese border and in the Yellow Sea has blunted a lot of the sanctions. Their economy is under less pressure than the admin would have you think. China, Russia, and Iran don't give a fuck.

And I also read that piece along with another piece that they were starting or were doing ship blockades in an effort to fight that.

Not sure what the latest on that is- - Haven't heard any updates on that in the last year or so.

 

[K1052]

And I also read that piece along with another piece that they were starting or were doing ship blockades in an effort to fight that.

Not sure what the latest on that is- - Haven't heard any updates on that in the last year or so.

They're trying more at sea interdiction but it's still pretty ineffective. NK reportedly recently smuggled about as much oil as they are legally allowed to buy on the market. Not to mention there is zero to be done about the NK-Chinese border.