Trump and friends attack intelligence.

[MomentsofSanity]

I like the insinuation that Flynn, et al, had their phone conversations with the Russian actors involved were illegal wiretaps. Hint: they weren't. At a minimum the Patriot Act gives them that right.

That and monitoring foreign officials as part of signit requires no warrant etc... If that happens to capture inadvertently a U.S. Person that is completely legal

 

[fskimospy]

Remember back when people tried to claim that Trump and Clinton were two sides of the same coin?

I wonder how stupid they feel right now.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Much has been said of a serious nature, but has anyone noticed how the thread title was worded?

"Trump and friends attack intelligence".

How true and at so many levels.

 

[Paratus]

Much has been said of a serious nature, but has anyone noticed how the thread title was worded?

"Trump and friends attack intelligence".

How true and at so many levels.

 

[momeNt]

fski was explaining, ie presumably arguing, to pokerguy something that pokerguy already knows. Think about that long enough and even you might come to understand what was said.

Also, just be clear it's hardly my fault that enlightenment values paint various degenerates poorly. That's a matter of history and empirical observation, which you understandably have some trouble with.

Think about the fact that he hasn't posted since that comment in this thread.

Just out of curiosity, do you consider true Marxism and social ownership to be the goal of society and the pinnacle of enlightenment values?

 

[Ichinisan]

Much has been said of a serious nature, but has anyone noticed how the thread title was worded?

"Trump and friends attack intelligence".

How true and at so many levels.

Yeah. It's why the first line of the OP says this: "Thread title can be taken at face value"

 

[zinfamous]

..... or, far more likely, there are many treasonous elements within the IC that are of the same cloth as the snowflakes protesting in the streets, they just don't like Trump and want to undermine him. He's not following the script and doing whatever they want him to do.

Oh good, the Donald "I'm rubber, you're glue" defense!

 

[zinfamous]

Hell why do we even have a president and congress then. The NSA should just make policy decisions. I mean we can trust them. It is not like they would ever tap cellphones without warrants.

If, in this case, we have institutions acting within their authority to police institutions acting well outside of their authority, then as an American, you should accept that at face value. We'll see I guess, if this smoke ever clears.

At least, I'm not one of the damn fools that voted for this turnip-headed child muppet.

 

[agent00f]

Think about the fact that he hasn't posted since that comment in this thread.

Just out of curiosity, do you consider true Marxism and social ownership to be the goal of society and the pinnacle of enlightenment values?

I think there's little reason to elaborate further now that the situation is clear; after all, isn't that the point of fruitful discussion?

Marxist idealism assumes virtues of the populace which may or may not be true in reality. In practice, social systems are a result of participant characteristics, and not the other way around. Typically many of our problems in that regard comes from putting cart before the horse.

 

[momeNt]

I think there's little reason to elaborate further now that the situation is clear; after all, isn't that the point of fruitful discussion?

Marxist idealism assumes virtues of the populace which may or may not be true in reality. In practice, social systems are a result of participant characteristics, and not the other way around. Typically many of our problems in that regard comes from putting cart before the horse.

So, to date, all I recall of "enlightenment values" that you claim to have, is not blaming minorities for problems. I'm asking you to elaborate on that, because it can be interpreted in a lot of different ways and people can have wildly different ideas on policy with regards to what they subscribe to in the enlightenment period. I mean you could have enlightened non-violent anarchy like Ghandi, or something along the lines of Marxist social communes and no private property.

What do you believe in?

 

[agent00f]

So, to date, all I recall of "enlightenment values" that you claim to have, is not blaming minorities for problems. I'm asking you to elaborate on that, because it can be interpreted in a lot of different ways and people can have wildly different ideas on policy with regards to what they subscribe to in the enlightenment period. I mean you could have enlightened non-violent anarchy like Ghandi, or something along the lines of Marxist social communes and no private property.

What do you believe in?

Enlightenment ideals center around using principled reason to solve problems, such as adhering to less than personally selfish approaches to prisoner's dilemma situations. Of course various parties might disagree as to the optimal strategy, but what matters is participants can fruitfully discuss the situation in contrast to what conservatives do as perfectly illustrated by many here.

 

[pauldun170]

Think about the fact that he hasn't posted since that comment in this thread.

Just out of curiosity, do you consider true Marxism and social ownership to be the goal of society and the pinnacle of enlightenment values?

What's there to think about?
Comment made in OP and then posted again in post #22 yesterday afternoon.