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Trump Administration Seeks to Avoid Withdrawal From Paris Climate Accord

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If true well well well what do we have here? And of course the admin is saying there is no change on the agreement.

Trump Administration Seeks to Avoid Withdrawal From Paris Climate Accord, International Climate Officials Say

“The U.S. has stated that they will not renegotiate the Paris accord, but they will try to review the terms on which they could be engaged under this agreement,” European Commissioner for Climate Action and Energy Miguel Arias Cañete said.

In a statement Saturday afternoon, a White House spokeswoman said the administration’s position on Paris had not changed but also noted that the president’s stance on withdrawing from the deal had never been set in stone.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-...aris-climate-deal-1505593922?tesla=y&mod=e2tw
 
If true I predict 100 more MAGA hats having an early demise

burning-trump-hat.jpg
 
Trump's base already believes we've pulled out of the accord so unless Trump specifically tells them otherwise they'll keep on believing that we have. Meanwhile, Trump makes nice with the ROTW, having it both ways.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/1...-treaty-but-white-house-denies-statement.html

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But the White House promptly responded with a statement that while it would not withdraw from the climate treaty it would review its terms.

"There has been no change in the United States' position on the Paris agreement. As the President has made abundantly clear, the United States is withdrawing unless we can re-enter on terms that are more favorable to our country," the White House statement said."
 
imported_tajmahal said:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/1...-treaty-but-white-house-denies-statement.html

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But the White House promptly responded with a statement that while it would not withdraw from the climate treaty it would review its terms.

"There has been no change in the United States' position on the Paris agreement. As the President has made abundantly clear, the United States is withdrawing unless we can re-enter on terms that are more favorable to our country," the White House statement said."
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The conned always defend the con artists.
 
imported_tajmahal said:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/1...-treaty-but-white-house-denies-statement.html

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But the White House promptly responded with a statement that while it would not withdraw from the climate treaty it would review its terms.

"There has been no change in the United States' position on the Paris agreement. As the President has made abundantly clear, the United States is withdrawing unless we can re-enter on terms that are more favorable to our country," the White House statement said."
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aka: We don't really know what the Paris Agreement is, but we want to make it better.
 
Vic said:
The conned always defend the con artists.
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There's the ones that are too ashamed to admit they got scammed and will defend themselves by defending the con, and then there are those that are totally clueless and will never realize they got conned and then there are those that buy into the con simply because their friends and relations that got conned talked these dupes into being conned themselves, thus spreading the original con like a pandemic and voila! The Repub Party is born and the core of it is continuously distilling itself into an ever smaller but ever more potent driving force and influence that drags the rest of the party along with them because none of them want to be branded as traitorous fakes and RINO's by the core. 😉
 
ivwshane said:
Linking to the constitution doesn't make your argument any more valid.

Here's another take on the agreement that contradicts your claim and explains why it's not a treaty.

http://www.globalpolicyjournal.com/blog/26/04/2016/paris-agreement-when-treaty-not-treaty
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Well Justin Trudeau signed "The Paris Climate TREATY" according to the CBC.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/paris-agreement-trudeau-sign-1.3547822

It's a treaty, fskimo the people that try to tapdance semantics and pretend that it isn't.
 
imported_tajmahal said:
I can see why you quoted them

"Tomorrow is Earth Day, and there is a push in the climate community ............."

How could you not TRUST them?
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My post only addressed your claim that the climate accord is unconstitutional based on the fact that the constitution demands senate confirmation of treaties. That is true. The issue is that there is a real legal debate as to whether the accord is a treaty as you stated it absolutely is. I did this completely unaware of when Earth Day is or out of any personal opinion as to whether it is a treaty or not. My point and purpose is not to treat you like an evil monster who wishes the world to die, etc. but to show you the conformational bias you bring to your argument. If you see somebody say the treaty is illegal and you are against climate change as a part of ideological propaganda that you support, you glom onto the notion the treaty is illegal when in fact that is a matter of real scholarly debate. You have further compounded that sort of irrational thinking by dismissing my point on some made up notion that I am here to support Earth Day. You are not engaged in rational thinking. That means you are not in contact with reality. I don't hate you for that. I don't have any need to insult you or make you feel bad about that. I believe you have been programmed not to use your full ability to think and see and that the world you live in is smaller than the one I see. My aim is to help you because a bigger world is better. I intend to talk to you as a person with potential you don't know you have, like a friend. I don't see you as an enemy but as someone who was hurt just like I was. How could you trust me? I am a rare bird who knows that we do not trust because we fear what we feel and can't trust we will survive if we feel it. I did. so far.
 
imported_tajmahal said:
Well Justin Trudeau signed "The Paris Climate TREATY" according to the CBC.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/paris-agreement-trudeau-sign-1.3547822

It's a treaty, fskimo the people that try to tapdance semantics and pretend that it isn't.
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The tap dance is from those who have attached the denial of the enormous threat of climate change to their favorite ideological team, the Republican party who is paid by the fossil fuel industry to protect their financial interests and help them avoid accountability for the destruction of life on earth. Having a conservative brain, you do not deal rationally with things that threaten the ideological attachments you make to external sources of self respect. You confuse the real moral values you have, many of which liberals lack, with the idea that just because you have those moral values you know how to apply them rationally. You do not. You have been programmed with irrational external notions of truth that are not real. That doesn't make you bad. It makes you inauthentic. The mistake you make is that you think you need those things to be a good person. You were born good. You don't need anything. You are in here fighting to protect a thousand tons of cabbage. Calling a real philosophical legal debate that isn't settled a case of tap dancing and semantics doesn't make that so. That is just how you want to see it. It is magical thinking to imagine that reality will conform to your wishes, and especially wishes that are the result of programming.
 
Moonbeam said:
The tap dance is from those who have attached the denial of the enormous threat of climate change to their favorite ideological team, the Republican party who is paid by the fossil fuel industry to protect their financial interests and help them avoid accountability for the destruction of life on earth. Having a conservative brain, you do not deal rationally with things that threaten the ideological attachments you make to external sources of self respect. You confuse the real moral values you have, many of which liberals lack, with the idea that just because you have those moral values you know how to apply them rationally. You do not. You have been programmed with irrational external notions of truth that are not real. That doesn't make you bad. It makes you inauthentic. The mistake you make is that you think you need those things to be a good person. You were born good. You don't need anything. You are in here fighting to protect a thousand tons of cabbage. Calling a real philosophical legal debate that isn't settled a case of tap dancing and semantics doesn't make that so. That is just how you want to see it. It is magical thinking to imagine that reality will conform to your wishes, and especially wishes that are the result of programming.
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Thank you for your honest and sincere replies Moon. I really do appreciate them, I just disagree with them. It's my opinion that The Paris Accords/Treaty is a treaty that needs Senate confirmation to take effect. It's my opinion that President Trump needs to send them to the Senate for an up or down vote. It's also my opinion he is slacking his constituents by not doing so.
 
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