Truck question

[desy]

The old Tundra is a good truck, and Toyota has a high resale value due to its reputation 'deserved' of quality long lasting vehicles.

The old Trundra is not a full sized compared to a F150 or Silverado so you aren't comparing apples, also Toyota has very limited configurations where the NA trucks can be chosen from a wide variety of engines, transmissions, gear ratio's, cab styles, optional equipment etc

 

[imported_sandman]

Dodge with a Hemi

 

[bctbct]

Ford over Tundra.

Steer clear of the Dodge, my truck has been to the shop 5-6 times because the transmission keeps thinkiing its in nuetral. The last 3-4 model years have this added feature. They never have been able to fix it even thought they keep throwing parts at it.

 

[MovingTarget]

F150. Sure, Tundras are nice and have a somewhat higher resale value, but I think that is a myth in the truck market. If you are truly in the market for a truck, I assume that it will be one that will be doing actual work, where the deciding factor should be capability and durability. The Ford has a much longer reputation for that. Besides, if something does go wrong, it is much easier/cheaper to get domestic parts. Besides, 2-3yr used vs brand new for vehicles with comparable stats? Go for the new one.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Ford...

You'll thank us later. Trust me.

I've owned nearly every brand at one time or another, The F150 is a far superior vehicle in nearly every category over the previous generation Tundra.

 

[cardiac]

I've had 5 different F-150's (And an F-250) over the last 30 years, and I loved every one of them. No major problems, and I didn't baby them. My next truck is probably going to be a Ram 2500 (Only because I must have a Cummins diesel (I pull a 29' camper).

The Triton 5.4liter in the newer F-150's has plenty of power and the mileage doesn't suck too bad.....

 

[Sluggo]

Of those, the F-150.

I am wondering why the new Silverado isnt on your list.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Surprising comments here. I would have guessed that the Tundra would be most popular. Of the owners with F150's. How long have you had your vehicle and what year is it? Sorry OP, not hijacking, but I too will be in the market for a full/mid sized truck in the near future. Perfect timing 🙂

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
Surprising comments here. I would have guessed that the Tundra would be most popular. Of the owners with F150's. How long have you had your vehicle and what year is it? Sorry OP, not hijacking, but I too will be in the market for a full/mid sized truck in the near future. Perfect timing 🙂

I have a 99' F250 supercab long bed with a diesel engine, it pulls a ton, gets the same mpg as an F150 V6 (I replaced an 03' V6 F150 with it) and the engine is supposedly bulletproof. I have about 90K on it.

Only downside I've found is that it's hard on batteries, just replaced them after a year, on the plus side, they were 36 month/free replacement batteries from Costco, so I'm out nothing 😀 Matter of fact, the guy screwed up and I made $6 on the swap...

 

[Sluggo]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
Surprising comments here. I would have guessed that the Tundra would be most popular. Of the owners with F150's. How long have you had your vehicle and what year is it? Sorry OP, not hijacking, but I too will be in the market for a full/mid sized truck in the near future. Perfect timing 🙂

We have our Expedition, which I have mentioned many times.

1999, 5.4

195,000 miles on the OEM motor, trans, transfer case and all 4x4 stuff. We've really only had a few repairs on it, its been a great truck. It does suck gas like there is no tomorrow, and it is getting a little squeaky and odd vibrations, but I really cant complain.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: phreaqe

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Toyata reliability/durability kicks Ford's ass.....and I own one of both before you call me out.

Toyota reliabilty is a myth. We just bought a Sienna mini-van and got a CEL within an hour of leaving. brought it back and they had to order o2 sensors. Seriously, what shop doesn't have o2 sensors? Well we get that fixed and within an hour of that, the damn CEL came back on and I ran a code scan on it at AutoZone and it's the o2 sensor that is reading a to lean condition. So it's going back in the shop tonight.

On top of that, the Tire pressure sensor light keeps coming on. They said that since it's cold it may come on, which is bullshit since the tires are filled with nitrogen and nitrogen doesn't condense until it reaches it's freezing point.

agreed, there is a reason the f150 has been the best selling truck for the past what 31 years?

sure, conservative pickup buyers fear change and fear being different from the norm. simple as that. most of those years the offering from GM was the better product (including right now), yet Joe Average still got a Ford cause that's what he got last time, and that's what his neighbor got, and that's what his Daddy got, and by golly, if it was good enough for dear ol' Pop, then it must be good enough for me, and screw test driving anything else.

for the OP, I'd go with the Tundra if this will be a typical suburbanite wanna-be truck that only sees occasional Home Depot and Costco runs. It will hold its value better and probably be more reliable. Toyota trucks have EARNED their reputation for reliability. Say what you want about the current crop of crappy Toyotas, but if you go back even one generation, they were still building some of the best cars around. If you will actually be towing or this will be a contractor truck, you might be better off with the Ford, especially since you'll just beat the crap out of it anyway. But even then, you'd be better off still with a GM truck, so I see no reason to buy the Ford under any circumstances.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

1995 Ford Bronco. 5.8L V8 Say it's just a short F-150 with a shell. 120k miles, 4x4 (of course Broncos never came in 4x2). No more cruise control. No repairs. Original brakes. Original everything. Still handles and feels perfect. Has been through off road hell and even tugged a 12,000 lb. load (daisy chained peanut wagons so no tongue weight) through mud. I didn't even think a truck could do that let alone a Bronco.

Suffice it to say, I have personal confidence that Ford knows how to build a truck and will stay behind them :thumbsup:

Also have a 2004 Expedition with a 5.4L with 62k miles and no problems except for the 8-way drivers seat.

For what its worth there is also our old 1989 Lincoln Towncar which is at around 400k miles without a rebuild. Only brakes, suspension, starter, and water pump has been replaced. Suspension three times.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain

Originally posted by: phreaqe

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Toyata reliability/durability kicks Ford's ass.....and I own one of both before you call me out.

Toyota reliabilty is a myth. We just bought a Sienna mini-van and got a CEL within an hour of leaving. brought it back and they had to order o2 sensors. Seriously, what shop doesn't have o2 sensors? Well we get that fixed and within an hour of that, the damn CEL came back on and I ran a code scan on it at AutoZone and it's the o2 sensor that is reading a to lean condition. So it's going back in the shop tonight.

On top of that, the Tire pressure sensor light keeps coming on. They said that since it's cold it may come on, which is bullshit since the tires are filled with nitrogen and nitrogen doesn't condense until it reaches it's freezing point.

agreed, there is a reason the f150 has been the best selling truck for the past what 31 years?

sure, conservative pickup buyers fear change and fear being different from the norm. simple as that. most of those years the offering from GM was the better product (including right now), yet Joe Average still got a Ford cause that's what he got last time, and that's what his neighbor got, and that's what his Daddy got, and by golly, if it was good enough for dear ol' Pop, then it must be good enough for me, and screw test driving anything else.

for the OP, I'd go with the Tundra if this will be a typical suburbanite wanna-be truck that only sees occasional Home Depot and Costco runs. It will hold its value better and probably be more reliable. Toyota trucks have EARNED their reputation for reliability. Say what you want about the current crop of crappy Toyotas, but if you go back even one generation, they were still building some of the best cars around. If you will actually be towing or this will be a contractor truck, you might be better off with the Ford, especially since you'll just beat the crap out of it anyway. But even then, you'd be better off still with a GM truck, so I see no reason to buy the Ford under any circumstances.

LOL fanboi alert

 

[CptCrunch]

Friend of mine has a 1997 Ford Expedition 4x4 4.6L and has put over 70k miles on it (bought it at 46k) and has only replaced a rusted brake line, brakes/rotors and the battery (just last year). Sucks gas but it has been a great, reliable vehicle.

I voted the F-150. My dad has one, 2008 f-150 xl 4x4, and he got it in August of 2007. Had a bad seal from the factory, but other than that has been flawless in the past 8k miles (tows a 4500 pound boat with absolutely no fuss)

 

[DougK62]

For a full-size truck I'd buy a Chevy or Ford well before the Toyota.

 

[mwmorph]

I voted neither. The changing of the guard(F150 new generation) is due next year. That means current gen resale values for the 2008 will fall a bit more than normal. Ditto with the Ram 2009 redesign. I'd go with the Silverado.

It's the newest design, has the most powerful engines and the nicest interior, etc...

 

[JDMnAR1]

In general, it all boils down to what you are going to do with it. Are you going to work it until it dies, or are you going to drive it a year or two and resell it? If the former pick Ford, if the latter go with the Toyota. While I don't have an F150, I do have an '02 F250 (crew cab, V10, 4x4, yadda yadda) with 110K+ miles on it (many towing a 27' travel trailer or assorted other goodies) and not a single problem.

As for the comment about GM being the better product - I suppose it is conceivable, but when I can buy a nicely equipped new F250 for the same price (or less) as a comparable new Silverado/Sierra 1500, why go GM?

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: sygyzy
Looks like you should stick with American, Jeff. Keep us updated.

I'll let you know how it turns out. And to think I traded in a Dodge Caravan for this. Though the caravan was in the shop the 1st week because the factory didn't fully charge the AC system. Then 6 months after that the belt tensioner went out and it went in for that. And lastly it went in for a stuck brake caliper.

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: IGBT
Nissan Titan. Better then either. Better equipped for the same money.

Ah ha. That pos is even more unreliable than a Ford. I have a 2003 Tundra (we bought it new) with ~78K miles. It has had absolutely NO problems. Just normal fluid changes and tuneup (our choice; spark plugs, etc.) at 60K.

Call it a myth, Jeffrey.

EDIT: We bought a 2000 Ford Winstar XLE (fully loaded, forgot the name), and it needed a new transmission in the FIRST 10,000 MILES!!! It had several little problems, rattles, flex issues, etc., that annoyed us, also.

EDIT2: mwmorph, I also like the Silverado, for some reason. Maybe it's the looks of the old gen. The new gen's wheel wells look a bit retarded.

EDIT3: My friend's 1997 Lexus LS400 had 220K miles on it before someone hit him headon in his own lane. He told me it's had no problems. It was totalled in that accident, and he got ~$10K from the insurance (insane resale value).

 

[alfa147x]

Im a big japan fan but in this case I would go ford

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Originally posted by: IGBT
Nissan Titan. Better then either. Better equipped for the same money.

Ah ha. That pos is even more unreliable than a Ford. I have a 2003 Tundra (we bought it new) with ~78K miles. It has had absolutely NO problems. Just normal fluid changes and tuneup (our choice; spark plugs, etc.) at 60K.

Call it a myth, Jeffrey.

EDIT: We bought a 2000 Ford Winstar XLE (fully loaded, forgot the name), and it needed a new transmission in the FIRST 10,000 MILES!!! It had several little problems, rattles, flex issues, etc., that annoyed us, also.

EDIT2: mwmorph, I also like the Silverado, for some reason. Maybe it's the looks of the old gen. The new gen's wheel wells look a bit retarded.

EDIT3: My friend's 1997 Lexus LS400 had 220K miles on it before someone hit him headon in his own lane. He told me it's had no problems. It was totalled in that accident, and he got ~$10K from the insurance (insane resale value).

We're talking about V8 full size trucks. Not V6 like your Tundra. We know Toyota can make a good V6. 78k miles is nothing on a truck. I should hope it's trouble free. When it comes to V8 trucks, I'll take Ford or Chevy over any import. F150 is a proven workhorse and trusted by people who actually abuse their work truck. How long has Tundra V8 been around? I have 2002 V8 Tundra SR5 extended cab. It's a good truck but rides more like a car than a truck.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Originally posted by: IGBT
Nissan Titan. Better then either. Better equipped for the same money.

Ah ha. That pos is even more unreliable than a Ford. I have a 2003 Tundra (we bought it new) with ~78K miles. It has had absolutely NO problems. Just normal fluid changes and tuneup (our choice; spark plugs, etc.) at 60K.

Call it a myth, Jeffrey.

EDIT: We bought a 2000 Ford Winstar XLE (fully loaded, forgot the name), and it needed a new transmission in the FIRST 10,000 MILES!!! It had several little problems, rattles, flex issues, etc., that annoyed us, also.

EDIT2: mwmorph, I also like the Silverado, for some reason. Maybe it's the looks of the old gen. The new gen's wheel wells look a bit retarded.

EDIT3: My friend's 1997 Lexus LS400 had 220K miles on it before someone hit him headon in his own lane. He told me it's had no problems. It was totalled in that accident, and he got ~$10K from the insurance (insane resale value).

We're talking about V8 full size trucks. Not V6 like your Tundra. We know Toyota can make a good V6. 78k miles is nothing on a truck. I should hope it's trouble free. When it comes to V8 trucks, I'll take Ford or Chevy over any import. F150 is a proven workhorse and trusted by people who actually abuse their work truck. How long has Tundra V8 been around? I have 2002 V8 Tundra SR5 extended cab. It's a good truck but rides more like a car than a truck.

Did we ever figure out what the OP will be using it for?

We an talk about bed size, fully boxed frames, tow weights and payload capacity all day long in a d**k waving contest, but if he's like 95% of home pickup drivers, it'll just be another a to b office commuter 364 days out of a year and the heaviest thing he'll ever carry is a lawnmower from sears or a plasma from Best Buy so all that crap will never affect him.

Originally posted by: Xyclone
EDIT3: My friend's 1997 Lexus LS400 had 220K miles on it before someone hit him headon in his own lane. He told me it's had no problems. It was totalled in that accident, and he got ~$10K from the insurance (insane resale value).

Lexus has been the #1 most reliable brand since it's inception for every year but 1. I prefer to buy Lexus if I have the choice. Maybe it's because I used to work as a mechanic but fixing cars no longer is a favorite pasttime, it just seems like... work now.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Did we ever figure out what the OP will be using it for?

We an talk about bed size, fully boxed frames, tow weights and payload capacity all day long in a d**k waving contest, but if he's like 95% of home pickup drivers, it'll just be another a to b office commuter 364 days out of a year and the heaviest thing he'll ever carry is a lawnmower from sears or a plasma from Best Buy so all that crap will never affect him.

It'll be used for pulling a camping trailer, along with hauling our obscene amount of camping supplies. Therefore reliability as well as towing and payload capacity were important considerations.

That said, I went ahead and bought the Ford last night. Got a good deal on an 04 F150 crew cab 2WD with the 5.4 Triton.

Pics (while they're still up). It's a great truck and I'm looking forward to getting some good use out of it this summer. 😀

 

[slag]

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Toyata reliability/durability kicks Ford's ass.....and I own one of both before you call me out.

I, too, have owned both a toyota 1/2 ton pickup and a F150.

Ford was better, hands down.

 

[CptCrunch]

congrats on the purchase. Looks like a nice truck for the money. the 5.4l should provide a ton of power for whatever hauling you do. enjoy!