Troops die in ambushes but guerrilla war may be ending

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The euphoria among American forces over the death of Saddam's sons was tempered yesterday by the killing of two US soldiers in separate ambushes.

Nevertheless, senior British and US officials predict that the death of Uday and Qusay will go a long way towards "cutting the head off the snake" in the daily war of attrition against Iraqi gunmen.

In a further sign of the improvement in the allies' intelligence, US forces captured Barzan Abdel-Ghafur al-Tikriti, the commander of the Special Republican Guard, Saddam's praetorian guard, made up of ultra-loyalists from his Tikriti clan. He was number 11 in America's list of most-wanted Iraqis.

Hope they are right...
 

tnitsuj

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We shall see. The danger of underestimating popular resistance and ignoring the looming problems of the Shia and the Kurds as well as a very threatened Sunni population is real.

Time will tell.
 

RDWYTruckDriver

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Time will tell. It's going to take quite a bit of effort to help Iraq and it's people. The American and British and other helping countries are there for the long haul. It will take lots of time to earn the Iraq peoples trust.
 

Moonbeam

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So much violence has been done to the Iraqis that I see a massive wave of problems when they no longer feel tremendous threat and the feelings of rage start surfacing.
 

Zebo

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Only if you believe this admistrations BS.. It's holdouts from the old regime and crimminals... Is it so hard to concieve the attackers reject both the bathists and thier foreign occupier?

BTW- It's not a guerrilla war, just ask Rummy.
 

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
Iraq is not another Vietnam.

Victory will be complete soon.

I don't think so. Iraqis may not like Saddam but they don't like us either. Unless we raise their standards of living, the attacks will continue.
 
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The reminants of Saddam's regime may have been key in inciting contiunuing resistance by his supporters, but it probably also went a long way in stifling resistance from other groups with their own agenda that were more afraid of them than of the U.S. It wouldn't suprise me if resistance now were to escelate.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
Iraq is not another Vietnam.

Victory will be complete soon.

As soon as we allow them to govern their own country, then they will be happy and it will be victory for everyone. Appointing people who are vaguely related to Iraqis or who were born in Iraq but moved to USA at the age of 4 is not the right way to support the claim that we are 'liberating' them.
 

Martin

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I don't see how their deaths, or saddam's death will impact the resistance. Do you think there aren't any leaders who would prefer to be the next dictator, instead of being Saddam's servants?
 

Zebo

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What would you do if your country was invaded and they stuck some expatriot french Americans at the helm and called it a Democracy?
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
So much violence has been done to the Iraqis that I see a massive wave of problems when they no longer feel tremendous threat and the feelings of rage start surfacing.

We need to airdrop you in there, Moonbeam, so that you can discuss with them their feelings of rage and turn it around. Just think of how much love that country could generate...
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
So much violence has been done to the Iraqis that I see a massive wave of problems when they no longer feel tremendous threat and the feelings of rage start surfacing.

We need to airdrop you in there, Moonbeam, so that you can discuss with them their feelings of rage and turn it around. Just think of how much love that country could generate...
Well don't think too hard, you might experience shame.

 

JellyBaby

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No one truly knows for sure but I believe the guerrilla war will likely persist until 1) Iraq finally governs itself, 2) the last U.S. combat soldier leaves Iraq and 3) Iraqis no longer tolerate the bloodshed.

The worst may yet to come. Or it may cycle up and down for long past our lifetimes. Israel was all Hunky-Dory for many years. Then hell gradually broke loose and today they're in a nasty pickle.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: JellyBaby
No one truly knows for sure but I believe the guerrilla war will likely persist until 1) Iraq finally governs itself, 2) the last U.S. combat soldier leaves Iraq and 3) Iraqis no longer tolerate the bloodshed.

The worst may yet to come. Or it may cycle up and down for long past our lifetimes. Israel was all Hunky-Dory for many years. Then hell gradually broke loose and today they're in a nasty pickle.

I think 1 and 3 are going to happen in short time. I dont see us leaving Iraq for many years.
 

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4 U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq attacks


.....and still counting. 48 since Bush declared the war was over.

sure Bush, sure
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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
So much violence has been done to the Iraqis that I see a massive wave of problems when they no longer feel tremendous threat and the feelings of rage start surfacing.

We need to airdrop you in there, Moonbeam, so that you can discuss with them their feelings of rage and turn it around. Just think of how much love that country could generate...

We need to be prepared for the possibility or likelyhood of an Iraqi govenrment that does not support us to the extent that we want. Will you be suprised when the freely elected Iraqi leader does not support the US on some or many issues?
 

BarneyFife

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The majority of Iraqis are part of the sect of Islam that is popular in Iran. Iran is going to support them 110% financially and spirtually. Democracy, free elections, a non-theocracy is a pipe dream. Be prepared for a civil war.