Triple Crown, of sorts

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
1.) Clutch is a fallacy

It most certainly isn't.
I've watched Jeter since his first game, the guy gets big hits in timely situations ALL THE TIME. Arod hasn't done that with the Yankees until this year.

2.) Derek Jeter is no longer the best SS in baseball. He is old and is losing range by the day.

Best shortstop is a relative term. But I don't agree at all that he's losing range. I watched almost all the Yankee games this year. He makes jump throws from almost behind third base and goes very well to his left. I have no problems at all with his defensive play.

3.) The Yankees have said publicly that they will not pursue A-rod if he opts out - I don't buy it though. They need him - particularly if he can put up bananas numbers like he did this year.

They do not need him. The lineup is stacked enough to beat the crap out of teams even without him. Of course that doesn't mean they're not gonna go after him, but he is not vital.

Really? You don't agree at all that he's losing range? You're watching the Yankees (just like every other YANKEESOMGAWSUM4EVAH fan) through Cashman colored glasses. Derek Jeter is losing range, booting balls that he used to vacuum up and spray cologne on.

Just because he hit a "clutch" homerun against the Red Sox (which, by the way, the rest of us are fucking tired of hearing about. Did those two teams have some kind of rivalry? Really? I hadn't heard) does not mean that clutch exists. It's all luck boys and girls. Simply because there are two outs in the ninth inning doesn't make you swing, field or see the ball any better.

The Yankees don't need these stats? Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Your precious Yankees are BUILT around A Rod's offense this year. Look at how many total runs he has scored (R-HR), his OBP and his OPS this year! Look! HIS OPS IS OVER 1.000.

Get the Yankee's collective wang out of your mouth for a second and come back to reality.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: minime72706

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
1.) Clutch is a fallacy

2.) Derek Jeter is no longer the best SS in baseball. He is old and is losing range by the day.

3.) The Yankees have said publicly that they will not pursue A-rod if he opts out - I don't buy it though. They need him - particularly if he can put up bananas numbers like he did this year.

1.) To an extent it is. But some guys have a magic about them, always being up when the games on the line, and coming through more then not.

2.) He never was the best shortstop in baseball. He isn't losing that much range. He never had it to begin with. Sure he's great at going back on a pop up, but on ground balls he's one of hte worst in the league. He makes the jump through, because he gets a late break and can't get him self set for a normal through.

3.) The don't need him. They can get some one else if they have issues, but the kid the got from LA could fill in and put up decent numbers.

They need A-Rod. He's the only right-handed power hitter in their line-up. Is he going to be worth the $30+ million? That's another story.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: minime72706

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
1.) Clutch is a fallacy

2.) Derek Jeter is no longer the best SS in baseball. He is old and is losing range by the day.

3.) The Yankees have said publicly that they will not pursue A-rod if he opts out - I don't buy it though. They need him - particularly if he can put up bananas numbers like he did this year.

1.) To an extent it is. But some guys have a magic about them, always being up when the games on the line, and coming through more then not.

2.) He never was the best shortstop in baseball. He isn't losing that much range. He never had it to begin with. Sure he's great at going back on a pop up, but on ground balls he's one of hte worst in the league. He makes the jump through, because he gets a late break and can't get him self set for a normal through.

3.) The don't need him. They can get some one else if they have issues, but the kid the got from LA could fill in and put up decent numbers.

They need A-Rod. He's the only right-handed power hitter in their line-up. Is he going to be worth the $30+ million? That's another story.

Very good article about A-Rod's value

http://www.hardballtimes.com/m...d-opt-out-of-new-york/

 

[Capt Caveman]

You know what's fooked-up? He's already the highest paid player in baseball. And next year, he's going to top that!

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
You know what's fooked-up? He's already the highest paid player in baseball. And next year, he's going to top that!

Yeah, but I'm sure he's going to set up a trust for for charity or something with all that dough.

 

[anxi80]

aw man, i thought this was going to be a thread about jake peavy who is on the road to winning the nl pitching triple crown and is a win away from the mlb pitching triple crown.


as far as a-rod goes, it appears that he's easily going to win a.l. mvp. if detroit got into the playoffs then i could probably make a strong argument for magglio; but it looks like thats not going to happen.

 

[Jschmuck2]

MVP fo' sho.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
The reason he'd go back to SS is because his offense is more valuable there. Teams will be very, very interested in a guy who can play short who can also belt 57 dingers in a season.

His offense is his offense. It's not more or less valuable based on his defensive position.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
The reason he'd go back to SS is because his offense is more valuable there. Teams will be very, very interested in a guy who can play short who can also belt 57 dingers in a season.

His offense is his offense. It's not more or less valuable based on his defensive position.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes it is.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
The reason he'd go back to SS is because his offense is more valuable there. Teams will be very, very interested in a guy who can play short who can also belt 57 dingers in a season.

His offense is his offense. It's not more or less valuable based on his defensive position.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes it is.

Uhhhhhhhh no it isn't.

 

[poncherelli2]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
The reason he'd go back to SS is because his offense is more valuable there. Teams will be very, very interested in a guy who can play short who can also belt 57 dingers in a season.

His offense is his offense. It's not more or less valuable based on his defensive position.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes it is.

Uhhhhhhhh no it isn't.

So would you be happy if your 1B/DH/LF hit 270/350/450? What about if your C or 2B did?

 

[Ophir]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2Just because he hit a "clutch" homerun against the Red Sox (which, by the way, the rest of us are fucking tired of hearing about. Did those two teams have some kind of rivalry? Really? I hadn't heard) does not mean that clutch exists. It's all luck boys and girls. Simply because there are two outs in the ninth inning doesn't make you swing, field or see the ball any better.

BS. You've obviously never played competetive sports. If you have, you must be completely ignorant to those around you.

Being "clutch" does not mean that a player magically performs outside of their abilities in a given situation. Those situations are probably more luck than not. Clutch players are the ones that can focus on the objective at hand and execute regardless of the situation. Many, if not most, people become rattled and sometimes visibly shaky when a high pressure situation arises. Others are able to push the nerves aside and play at the highest level. Clutch players can do that and do it repeatedly. Jordan, Jeter, Woods, etc. all have that ability.

As an example, recall the latest US Open Tennis final between Federer and Djokovic. Djokovic looked and played much better early, but blew 7 (7!) set points and lost the match. Federer was able to counter and come through.

 

[Anubis]

you know what would be really awsome?

to see ARod in a Red Sox uniform

 

[Squisher]

ARod would look real nice in the Old English D.


btw-Mags has had a pretty magical season too.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: poncherelli2

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
The reason he'd go back to SS is because his offense is more valuable there. Teams will be very, very interested in a guy who can play short who can also belt 57 dingers in a season.

His offense is his offense. It's not more or less valuable based on his defensive position.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes it is.

Uhhhhhhhh no it isn't.

So would you be happy if your 1B/DH/LF hit 270/350/450? What about if your C or 2B did?

As long as he's not hitting third and the third batter supplements those numbers with more power.

 

[poncherelli2]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: poncherelli2

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
The reason he'd go back to SS is because his offense is more valuable there. Teams will be very, very interested in a guy who can play short who can also belt 57 dingers in a season.

His offense is his offense. It's not more or less valuable based on his defensive position.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes it is.

Uhhhhhhhh no it isn't.

So would you be happy if your 1B/DH/LF hit 270/350/450? What about if your C or 2B did?

As long as he's not hitting third and the third batter supplements those numbers with more power.

You are talking about lineup composition, that really has nothing to do with the argument. We're talking about offensive production based on defensive position. An .800 ops from a 1B/DH is not impressive at all and actually below average for the position. A player whose defensive capabilities limit him to 1B/DH role would is not valued very highly for that kind of production.

If that same player could post an .800 ops while capably fielding the SS position or C, his value goes way up. Corner IF/OF generally require less defensive prowess and therefore require more offense to offset this. CF, middle IF, C require much greater defensive skills that are usually accompanied by diminished offensive skills. A player with the defensive ability to field one of these spots but put up numbers you expect from a corner spot is very valuable.

Sure a tandem of a .750 1B and .900 SS will produce the same as a .900 1B and .750 SS in the same lineup, but the latter pair will be significantly cheaper

 

[rockyct]

I love how many people come in here and show how really clueless they are about baseball. Yes, there are clutch hitters, and yes the value of a player changes depending on what position he plays. Try joining a fantasy baseball team and see how hard it is to get good hitting catcher.