Triple cores upon us soon

[Dravic]

It be interesting to see where they postion these in the market.

As everything moves to quad core will these serve as the entry level instead of dual cores? One production line, just ue defective and/or laser cut cores?

Next years upgrade is looking like lots of choices...

PC world article

 

[MarcVenice]

These 'could' be interesting if they had much higher clockspeeds. When removing the faulty core from the qaudcore phenoms, they should be able to easily hit 2.6ghz and higher, no ?

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
These 'could' be interesting if they had much higher clockspeeds. When removing the faulty core from the qaudcore phenoms, they should be able to easily hit 2.6ghz and higher, no ?

The power consumption numbers will tell us...not TDP but actual measurements. Hopefully Xbitlabs will do this for us. Would be nice if Anandtech led the pack.

 

[nerp]

I really want one to play with.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Yah better look out.

HP and AMD are teaming up to capture that lucrative Bulgarian desktop market.







(it's a joke)

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Yah better look out.

HP and AMD are teaming up to capture that lucrative Bulgarian desktop market.







(it's a joke)

They'll have to fight Via (C7) for it! I smell another price-war brewing!

 

[cubeless]

recycling at it's best... makes you wonder what's under that heat spreader on any chip u get... may be your dual core is a 'bad' quad core...

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: cubeless
recycling at it's best... makes you wonder what's under that heat spreader on any chip u get... may be your dual core is a 'bad' quad core...

Maybe there are little teeny Bulgarians under that heat spreader flippin' those gates :shocked:

I think independent tri-cores are great. I look forward to underclocking a third core and assigning all background/OS services to it. It will be even better if it costs less than $140 and the cpu overlords bless me with a 2.8-2.9GHz OC on the other 2 cores.

Now if we can just find any software to run parallel across those 2 cores ...

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Yah better look out.

HP and AMD are teaming up to capture that lucrative Bulgarian desktop market.







(it's a joke)

They'll have to fight Via (C7) for it! I smell another price-war brewing!

To arms. Let the warfare begin!

(I now wish I'd been easier on those little teeny Bulgarians. They'd make great spys.)

 

[v8envy]

$140? No thank you. By the time this is out we should be seeing E7300s at the same pricepoint. Heck, I didn't jump at $150 phenom quad cores at the compusa liquidation (they had a wall of them), can't see how a tri-core would be a compelling value here. Unless they're clocking at 2.8 stock, with 3.2+ ghz OCs being a no-brainer.

About the only good thing to expect from this launch is 5000+ BE x2s sliding under $70. Now that would not suck at all. Might even have to start recommending them instead of core2 chips for the ultra-budget builds.

Ah, VIA. Always a day late and dollar short. I'm surprised they're still around, frankly. It's long past time they joined Cyrix in obscurity.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: v8envy
$140? No thank you. By the time this is out we should be seeing E7300s at the same pricepoint. Heck, I didn't jump at $150 phenom quad cores at the compusa liquidation (they had a wall of them), can't see how a tri-core would be a compelling value here. Unless they're clocking at 2.8 stock, with 3.2+ ghz OCs being a no-brainer.

About the only good thing to expect from this launch is 5000+ BE x2s sliding under $70. Now that would not suck at all. Might even have to start recommending them instead of core2 chips for the ultra-budget builds.

Ah, VIA. Always a day late and dollar short. I'm surprised they're still around, frankly. It's long past time they joined Cyrix in obscurity.

Tri-cores are already shipping and are out there already. E7300 is still going to be a little while.

As for being a compelling value, the only way the E7300 is a better value if you factor in overclocking, which OEMs certainly do not. A 2.3GHz tri-core Phenom is going to be faster than a dual-core 2.66GHz Wolfdale-3M. Not to mention that any average Joe is going to think that a 3-core CPU is better than a 2-core CPU: in the modern CPU era, cores are like clockspeed was a few years ago...A 3-core CPU must be faster than a 2-core CPU just like a 3GHz P4 must be faster than a 2GHz A64.

OEMs will gobble these chips up, just like they probably will the Phenom 9100e, which is expected to launch in the same $130-140 price point.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: v8envy
Ah, VIA. Always a day late and dollar short. I'm surprised they're still around, frankly. It's long past time they joined Cyrix in obscurity.

Via owns what's left of Cyrix. That's where the C7 came from. And its definitely in the realm of the obscure, but they still make a profit. It's just teeny in the total dollars sense.

 

[CTho9305]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: v8envy
Ah, VIA. Always a day late and dollar short. I'm surprised they're still around, frankly. It's long past time they joined Cyrix in obscurity.

Via owns what's left of Cyrix. That's where the C7 came from. And its definitely in the realm of the obscure, but they still make a profit. It's just teeny in the total dollars sense.

I don't think the C7 is really related to Cyrix - Wikipedia says the Cyrix guys are all pretty much gone from the Via umbrella. The Centaur team might have gotten some IP from Cyrix through Via, but I wouldn't expect there'd be much of significance from a company that never did any very complicated architectures. I can't think of any Centaur people I know and the ex-Cyrix people I know left Cyrix too long ago.

 

[Idontcare]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrix_III

Yep you are right, I had always been under the impression that the Cyrix3 core was from Cyrix's Joshua but apparantely Via switched from Joshua to Samual and kept the same product name (Cyrix III for both).

Everything since then has been evolution of the Centuar designs.

 

[firewolfsm]

Back to the topic people.

 

[Ebichan]

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Tri-cores are already shipping and are out there already. E7300 is still going to be a little while.

As for being a compelling value, the only way the E7300 is a better value if you factor in overclocking, which OEMs certainly do not. A 2.3GHz tri-core Phenom is going to be faster than a dual-core 2.66GHz Wolfdale-3M. Not to mention that any average Joe is going to think that a 3-core CPU is better than a 2-core CPU: in the modern CPU era, cores are like clockspeed was a few years ago...A 3-core CPU must be faster than a 2-core CPU just like a 3GHz P4 must be faster than a 2GHz A64.

OEMs will gobble these chips up, just like they probably will the Phenom 9100e, which is expected to launch in the same $130-140 price point.

The only way a 2.3 GHz Phenom would be faster than the E7300 would be when all three cores are utilized. Not only would the E7300 have an IPC advantage, they would also be higher clocked.

I wouldn't doubt OEMs eating them up though.

 

[CTho9305]

Originally posted by: firewolfsm
Back to the topic people.

The original topic isn't that interesting

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: cubeless
recycling at it's best... makes you wonder what's under that heat spreader on any chip u get... may be your dual core is a 'bad' quad core...

Maybe there are little teeny Bulgarians under that heat spreader flippin' those gates :shocked:

I think independent tri-cores are great. I look forward to underclocking a third core and assigning all background/OS services to it. It will be even better if it costs less than $140 and the cpu overlords bless me with a 2.8-2.9GHz OC on the other 2 cores.

Now if we can just find any software to run parallel across those 2 cores ...

Why underclock the third core?

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Any word if the 45nm will use the same socket?

 

[harpoon84]

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Tri-cores are already shipping and are out there already. E7300 is still going to be a little while.

As for being a compelling value, the only way the E7300 is a better value if you factor in overclocking, which OEMs certainly do not. A 2.3GHz tri-core Phenom is going to be faster than a dual-core 2.66GHz Wolfdale-3M. Not to mention that any average Joe is going to think that a 3-core CPU is better than a 2-core CPU: in the modern CPU era, cores are like clockspeed was a few years ago...A 3-core CPU must be faster than a 2-core CPU just like a 3GHz P4 must be faster than a 2GHz A64.

OEMs will gobble these chips up, just like they probably will the Phenom 9100e, which is expected to launch in the same $130-140 price point.

I doubt a Phenom X3 @ 2.3GHz is going to beat an E7300, yes it has the extra core, but the E7300 is clocked 15% higher, and is roughly 15% faster per clock as well. Perhaps in certain multithreaded applications the Phenom will come out on top, but in general it's going to lose out to an E7300, especially in things like gaming and single/dual threaded applications.

You are right about the perception that 'more cores = better', its simply human nature. If AMD can market these right, they can take advantage of this. Tri core will be more for your Average Joes than the enthusiast.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
Any word if the 45nm will use the same socket?

If you are talking about 45nm quad - Deneb - then the answer is yes there will be 2 flavors. An AM2+ version (DDR2, released first, Q4 this year) and an AM3 version (DDR3, released Q1 next year).

Or so sad the roadmap I recall seeing last week. Could be different by now, probably is.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: nerp
I really want one to play with.

You can have the one I would have never bought!!!

I am not impressed unless they sell these things for about 140-150 range

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
Any word if the 45nm will use the same socket?

If you are talking about 45nm quad - Deneb - then the answer is yes there will be 2 flavors. An AM2+ version (DDR2, released first, Q4 this year) and an AM3 version (DDR3, released Q1 next year).

Or so sad the roadmap I recall seeing last week. Could be different by now, probably is.

So a 940 socket motherboard will be able to use these? got suckered with the 939 socket...

you have a link for that or...?

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: nerp
I really want one to play with.

You can have the one I would have never bought!!!

I am not impressed unless they sell these things for about 140-150 range

I just think it would be fun to play with one. I'm all about variety. This could be a decent chip to throw into a 780G motherboard for a sweet HTPC build or someting. As much as I love intel's offerings right now, there's a part of me that thinks AMD is being quite crafty here and finding ways to maximize their yields. If AMD is able to salvage some money out of this and it allows them to remain competitive down the road, then I'm all for it.

I'm no fanboy, see sig.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: nerp
I really want one to play with.

You can have the one I would have never bought!!!

I am not impressed unless they sell these things for about 140-150 range

I just think it would be fun to play with one. I'm all about variety. This could be a decent chip to throw into a 780G motherboard for a sweet HTPC build or someting. As much as I love intel's offerings right now, there's a part of me that thinks AMD is being quite crafty here and finding ways to maximize their yields. If AMD is able to salvage some money out of this and it allows them to remain competitive down the road, then I'm all for it.

I'm no fanboy, see sig.

I recommended an AMD system for a buddy. That may be the closest I will come to a phenom anytime soon. Though I recommended him only a dual core brisbane chip for right now.

AMD for uber tight budgets is where they are good still...IMO they have some of the best integrated mobo chipsets. ATI HD3200 integrated video chip is great compared to crappy intel integrated video. With Nvidia E8200 video chipsets I may be building a few 400-500 dollar systems for family members.

For me I need performance for the price and I dont see AMD handling it...

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: Duvie
For me I need performance for the price and I dont see AMD handling it...

I hear ya. That's why I built me a new intel rig for my main system. Hands down, there's no decent AMD alternative. But for specialized boxes and basic web/surfing/email machines (aka for the girlfriend, etc) AMD still has some tempting offerings. And you're right, their integrated chipsets are still tops.