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Trident XP4 Preview - A Cheap GeForce4? Article on Anandtech main site

Looks interesting. If it can really manage 80% of the performance of a Ti4600 then it will be one helluva budget card.
 
How about if they can implement the 6 month cycle.............. they will be owning the <$100 segment I think (that is if they reach that 80% mark).

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
Originally posted by: Aquaman
How about if they can implement the 6 month cycle.............. they will be owning the <$100 segment I think (that is if they reach that 80% mark).

Cheers,
Aquaman
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Yup, they'll totally rip the gF4MX cards...if they can reach 80% of Ti4600. It would also be really sweet as a laptop graphics chip. Ah well, I guess we'll find out in a few weeks.
 
I am curious about performance figures, but if it doesn't reach 80% of a ti4600, what speed will it be considered a sucess? If it reaches 70% or 60% will it be considered a sucess?
Also curious about drivers and compatability, but great to see a new player in the buget market. 😉

With 6 month product cycles esp if they can reach the performance they expect we could be looking a new high end (or near high end) graphics chipset maker. 🙂

 
Well, using the R9000 Pro review, it shows that the R9000 Pro typically has 50-65 or so% of the performance of a Ti 4600, so we would need at least 65% of a Ti 4600, but prolly more like 70-75% cause If I'm comparing a equally priced XP4 and R9000 Pro that perform similar, I'm gonna take the 9000 Pro🙂
 
I don't think Trident will be successful here - first of all Matrox made an attempt at the performance market and failed to get even close to 80% performance of a TI4600, even with a price of $399. The enigineering team at Matrox has much more experience in developing and shipping GPU's. Trident's last delivered desktop chip was the Blade3D, back in 1999 I believe where it competed favorably with the i740 and Matrox G200, but that was a very long time ago. A more recent chip, the DX7 BladeXP, never made its way into any production cards as far as I know. Plus SiS has always been able to undercut Trident in the ultra low cost market, probably due to the fact that it is based in Taiwan and owns its own fabs, and is making a strong showing with the Xabre. Also, Via will soon to return with the SavageXP. There really isn't room for a unexperienced small company like Trident to be entering this market.
 
Well, I think I'll reserve judgement until there are actual cards out in the market and they have been benchmarked and tested.
There is always room for more options. The more, the merrier!🙂
 
Anything is possible at the moment. AMD were speed kings, and now its intel. Although that might not last long given new introductions of 333 bus's and other things.
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AMD's rise began with aquiring NexGen, which had already virtually completed the design for the K6. From there, they were competitive with Intel but it took the Athlon years later to bring them ahead. Also, I think Intel has had the ability to ramp the P4 for quite some time, they hold back for marketing conditions, as does AMD sometimes. This is not the case in the graphics business, manufacturers are constantly rushing out their cutting edge designs to beat the competition. What I'm saying is, that like the CPU business the entry barriers to GPU design are quite high, from hardware engineering to driver writing. To have a manufacturer like Trident come out of nowhere with a part which is 80% as good as a market leader for an amazing price is a bit unbelievable. Thats like saying the Cyrix team got back together and will release a 1.8ghz CPU for $120. Remember the Parhelia hype - 20-30% faster than a TI 4600. It would be great if Trident can deliver - I was happy with my Blade3D playing Half Life and the like back then and the 2D was excellent - but I doubt its happening.

 
Originally posted by: aswedc
I don't think Trident will be successful here - first of all Matrox made an attempt at the performance market and failed to get even close to 80% performance of a TI4600, even with a price of $399. The enigineering team at Matrox has much more experience in developing and shipping GPU's. Trident's last delivered desktop chip was the Blade3D, back in 1999 I believe where it competed favorably with the i740 and Matrox G200, but that was a very long time ago. A more recent chip, the DX7 BladeXP, never made its way into any production cards as far as I know. Plus SiS has always been able to undercut Trident in the ultra low cost market, probably due to the fact that it is based in Taiwan and owns its own fabs, and is making a strong showing with the Xabre. Also, Via will soon to return with the SavageXP. There really isn't room for a unexperienced small company like Trident to be entering this market.
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It's not the high performance market they are going for though........... they are not trying to get the NV30 or R300 $400+ area 🙂 They are aiming for the low cost 3d market ($100 range).......... I think for the volume in the OEM market 😀 I sure do hope they are successful........ because it will bring the price of all cards down. As for inexperienced......... if you look in the article ......... didn't they have a graph with 4% of market share in the video card market........... the same as Via........... that's pretty good considering they don't really have a mainstream 3d card around.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
Originally posted by: Aquaman
Originally posted by: aswedc
I don't think Trident will be successful here - first of all Matrox made an attempt at the performance market and failed to get even close to 80% performance of a TI4600, even with a price of $399. The enigineering team at Matrox has much more experience in developing and shipping GPU's. Trident's last delivered desktop chip was the Blade3D, back in 1999 I believe where it competed favorably with the i740 and Matrox G200, but that was a very long time ago. A more recent chip, the DX7 BladeXP, never made its way into any production cards as far as I know. Plus SiS has always been able to undercut Trident in the ultra low cost market, probably due to the fact that it is based in Taiwan and owns its own fabs, and is making a strong showing with the Xabre. Also, Via will soon to return with the SavageXP. There really isn't room for a unexperienced small company like Trident to be entering this market.
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It's not the high performance market they are going for though........... they are not trying to get the NV30 or R300 $400+ area 🙂 They are aiming for the low cost 3d market ($100 range).......... I think for the volume in the OEM market 😀 I sure do hope they are successful........ because it will bring the price of all cards down. As for inexperienced......... if you look in the article ......... didn't they have a graph with 4% of market share in the video card market........... the same as Via........... that's pretty good considering they don't really have a mainstream 3d card around.

Cheers,
Aquaman
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More simply put, if this card dose what it's suppose to, it will raise the low end graphics bar considerably. But this was bound to happen. When a computer part takes a 50% jump in speed, the current highend products are degraded to mid-level performance parts.
 
really isn't room for a unexperienced small company like Trident to be entering this market.

Unexperienced? Hasn't Trident has been around longer than nVidia?

They might have never shot for something as close to the performance desktop as the XP4 supposedly will be, but they have been churning out low cost chipsets for desktop and mobile for a very long time.

Another thing... anyone else getting sick of previews/pre-launches/teasers on next gen products? I understand that it's marketing hype and it works (how many of you would answer R300 if someone asked you what's the fastest video card) but c'mon, cut the crap and send out the cards!!!









 
<<Another thing... anyone else getting sick of previews/pre-launches/teasers on next gen products? I understand that it's marketing hype and it works (how many of you would answer R300 if someone asked you what's the fastest video card) but c'mon, cut the crap and send out the cards!!!>>

Hell yeah the hyped work cuz without the previews and teaser out there right now I would be shopping for a Geforce4 card right this minute.
 
We heard Trident performance claims before - Blade3d that were supposed to match TNT2 speeds according to Trident, but was slower than Voodoo2 in reality, and others. I am sure they will have 80% of TI4400 performance in certain synthetic benchmarks, and with default LOD lower than Voodoo1. Just like SIS Xabre....

Leon
 
Originally posted by: Leon
We heard Trident performance claims before - Blade3d that were supposed to match TNT2 speeds according to Trident, but was slower than Voodoo2 in reality, and others. I am sure they will have 80% of TI4400 performance in certain synthetic benchmarks, and with default LOD lower than Voodoo1. Just like SIS Xabre....

Leon
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We can always hope for the best 😀

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
I'm gonna have faith in Trident this time. I've owned many of their cards in the past (a trusty Trident 9850 is still chugging along in one of my machines), and though they've never been performance demons, they've always been reliable. Here's to hoping that they could improve their stance.
 
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