Trespassing is NOT a capital offense (YMMV in Texas)

[Bowfinger]

For the record, trespassing is NOT a capital crime. I cut the following quotes from another thread. Unfortunately, the thread was locked while I was refuting potentially tragic misinformation. (This was a side issue to the original thread. I hope the mods find it acceptable. If not, I apologize.)

Originally posted by: B

Originally posted by: A
Not sure where you're going with that... You can kill people who trespass where you live?

Damn right you can. We have had problems with people trespassing(poaching) on our land before. Both the local Sheriff and Game Warden have told us to just shoot whoever we find there if they are there without our permission. Now...we haven't done that, but we did catch a guy and tie him to a tree until the Sheriff could make it out and arrest him.

With all due respect, that's a load of bullsh@t. In the United States, you never have the legal right to shoot another human being unless you have legitimate reason to fear your safety or others' safety is in jeopardy. Period.

Perhaps you live in some rural backwater with a redneck sheriff who looks the other way if you off some "troublemaker". If so, next time you see him, please share my contempt along with my sincere hope he is imprisoned soon. We have too many other yee-haws in this country who feel entitled to take the law into their own hands. If he's not willing to enforce the laws, he has no business in law enforcement.

On the other hand, perhaps your sheriff is a great cop and you're just blowing smoke. Either way, if you catch someone trespassing on your land, your legal recourse is to call the police and file charges -- trespassing charges. If you shoot him, you may find yourself in a cage exploring your sexuality with a guy named Bubba. Trespassing is not a capital offense.


Edit: I stand corrected, at least to a point. It appears it may be OK to kill people in Texas if they trespass at night. Yee haw!

 

[Infohawk]

Exactly, it's ludicrous to think you can be a judge, jury, and executioner for a mere property crime...

 

[Alistar7]

Trespassing is not a capital offense.....

All depends, is the person trespassing actively murdering people in cold blood at the same time?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Trespassing is not a capital offense.....

All depends, is the person trespassing actively murdering people in cold blood at the same time?

That would be a self-defense issue. Here we're talking about trespassing, a property crime.

 

[Alistar7]

So how can you be sure the person trespassing (obviously no repsect for your property rights or the law) is not a threat?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
So how can you be sure the person trespassing (obviously no repsect for your rights or the law) is not a threat?

Someone can trespass by mistake so you're jumping to conclusion that they have no respect for the law.

 

[Alistar7]

I'm not willing to ASSUME someone made a mistake and put my life at risk, sorry. If the area is CLEARLY marked it is obviously not a mistake. If they are carrying a gun, I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt, not a chance.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
I'm not willing to ASSUME someone made a mistake and put my life at risk, sorry. If the area is CLEARLY marked it is obviously not a mistake. If they are carrying a gun, I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt, not a chance.

If ... if ... if... The topic is trespass, not armed trespass.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Trespassing is not a capital offense.....

All depends, is the person trespassing actively murdering people in cold blood at the same time?

Go away until you learn to read. (Though I do miss your regular, breathless "We found WMDs, this time for sure!!!" posts ... followed the next day by the inevitable false alarm confirmation.)

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
I'm not willing to ASSUME someone made a mistake and put my life at risk, sorry. If the area is CLEARLY marked it is obviously not a mistake. If they are carrying a gun, I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt, not a chance.

Can't wait for that hot Bubba action, huh?

 

[Alistar7]

Can't wait? No I would prefer never to be put in a situation like that, but if I was I know I would worry first about protecting myself and my family.

Maybe if the BUBBAS that got murdered had been a little more on guard they would not have been killed. Seems like they were just like you, and look how it turned out for them.....

 

[Alistar7]

"In his speech to the UN Security Council on 27 January 2003, Blix asked awkward 'questions that need to be answered'. On chemical weapons he raised the problem that: 'Some 6,500 chemical bombs containing 1,000 tons of chemical agents and "several thousand" chemical rocket warheads are unaccounted for.... Inspectors found a "laboratory quantity" of thiodiglycol, a precursor of mustard gas.... Iraq has prepared equipment at a chemical plant previously destroyed by the UN....' On biological weapons he said: 'Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of [anthrax], which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. But Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction.' He also warned, ominously, that Iraq's anthrax 'might still exist'***. "


I agree with Bowfinger, they just vanished.....

 

[Alistar7]

Though I do miss your regular, breathless "We found WMDs, this time for sure!!!" posts ... followed the next day by the inevitable false alarm confirmation.)


Thats a load of crap, never happened. Still denying reality I see, still crying BUSH LIED too I suppose, lol.....

 

[Forsythe]

You need to drop your hostile redneck paranoia, nobody is trying to kill you.

And for the record, Bush did lie, and you are the one denying reality.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Forsythe
You need to drop your hostile redneck paranoia, nobody is trying to kill you.

And for the record, Bush did lie, and you are the one denying reality.

I never said they were, lol, I just said if someone trespassed onto my propperty with a gun I would be on my guard.


I will glady accept your second statement when you give me proof Bush lied, I'll give you 5 minutes.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Alistar7
I'm not willing to ASSUME someone made a mistake and put my life at risk, sorry. If the area is CLEARLY marked it is obviously not a mistake. If they are carrying a gun, I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt, not a chance.

If ... if ... if... The topic is trespass, not armed trespass.

Damn right you can. We have had problems with people trespassing(poaching) on our land before.

Sounds like the issue is armed trespassing infotroll. Unless the poachers where planing on clubing the game to death.

 

[Alistar7]

Nice personal attack BTW, almost as classless as Bow's, I'm sure your proud of yourself. Do you not see the irony of the statements you two have made? You call people "bubba" and "redneck", yet those same people you vilify were killed by a trespasser when they didn't act like the "rednecks" you claim they were, unbelievable.

 

[Alistar7]

Your time is up, where is my proof that Bush lied? Just so you understand what a lie is, it requires someone to knowingly make a false statement. So where is the proof Bush made any statements regarding Iraq that he KNEW were false? What reality are you living in yall? 😉

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Forsythe
You need to drop your hostile redneck paranoia, nobody is trying to kill you.

And for the record, Bush did lie, and you are the one denying reality.

I never said they were, lol, I just said if someone trespassed onto my propperty with a gun I would be on my guard.


I will glady accept your second statement when you give me proof Bush lied, I'll give you 5 minutes.

Wel, there has been countless numbers of times where he's said that Saddam Hussein had wmd, but as we all know now, he had none. (We knew then, because everybody but Bush and peoplethat had interest in saying so said there were none.) And don't give me that "he's smuggled them out" thing. Even Bush has realized he had none and is now trying to make the reason for the invasion humanitarian.

And ofcourse there was Donald Rumsfeld, who on FOX (ofcourse) stepped out and said that in the Tora Bora mountains there were big complexes, with their own air filtering systems, roads, cafeterias and such. And they ofcourse didn't find any.

I'd like to get you more, but it's saturday, and i'm going to a party to have a good time, and possibly get laid 😀 These are just of the top of my head.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Forsythe
You need to drop your hostile redneck paranoia, nobody is trying to kill you.

And for the record, Bush didn't lie, but I will keep denying reality.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Alistar7]

Saddma had no WMD?

"In his speech to the UN Security Council on 27 January 2003, Blix asked awkward 'questions that need to be answered'. On chemical weapons he raised the problem that: 'Some 6,500 chemical bombs containing 1,000 tons of chemical agents and "several thousand" chemical rocket warheads are unaccounted for.... Inspectors found a "laboratory quantity" of thiodiglycol, a precursor of mustard gas.... Iraq has prepared equipment at a chemical plant previously destroyed by the UN....' On biological weapons he said: 'Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of [anthrax], which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. But Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction.' He also warned, ominously, that Iraq's anthrax 'might still exist'***. "

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

Did you get the original thread locked Bowfinger? You say you wanted to post the information as a PSA but so far you are just flaming everyone who replies without total agreement.

If you are confident in your information there should be no need to go down the 'bubba' and 'redneck' trails, just reply respectfully, if you are able.

 

[Alistar7]

"We knew then, because everybody but Bush and people hat had interest in saying so said there were none."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/28/kay.transcript/

" would also point out that many governments that chose not to support this war -- certainly, the French president, [Jacques] Chirac, as I recall in April of last year, referred to Iraq's possession of WMD.

The Germans certainly -- the intelligence service believed that there were WMD"


Even the objectors believed that, maybe you should stay home from the party and study the facts.

 

[Alistar7]

"And don't give me that "he's smuggled them out" thing. Even Bush has realized he had none and is now trying to make the reason for the invasion humanitarian. "


The opression of the people of Iraq was always a main tenet of his reasoning, maybe if you could stop trying to revise history devoid of the facts you would remember. Maybe he did smuggle them out, who knows, where do you think they are? Did they just VANISH?

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Nice personal attack BTW, almost as classless as Bow's, I'm sure your proud of yourself. Do you not see the irony of the statements you two have made? You call people "bubba" and "redneck", yet those same people you vilify were killed by a trespasser when they didn't act like the "rednecks" you claim they were, unbelievable.

I am absolutely not personally attacking you! I'm telling the truth on what i think, and i'm holding back alot of stuff that i feel would be inappropriate. I'm telling you the truth, because i still "care" for you, or i would just start calling you an idiot or such!

"yet those same people you vilify were killed by a trespasser when they didn't act like the "rednecks"" Jesus, how can you say something like this and claim that your not paranoid? People are not trying to kill you all the time!