Treatment of Colin Powell's Foundation vs. Clinton's

[MongGrel]

no, not really. I don't think the optics are great, especially for those still in or going to be in office, but you shouldn't always assume corruption.

Ick, you typed optics.

Just teasing a bit.

 

[dank69]

Aren't speaking fees just a slippery way of doing kickbacks for favors done while in office? This is my perception at least.

Why should somebody get paid millions just to speak while I have to do actual work for only thousands?

No. Hopefully now you understand why your hatred of Hillary is irrational.

 

[zinfamous]

I am interesting to myself. If I could pay myself a million dollars for a speech I would do it in a second...

And yet you are criticizing those that are actually able to command high fees just for talking about themselves. I have no idea what you are going on about.

Obviously, being interesting to yourself means nothing to anyone that would pay you to be interesting in the actual world.

I guess one option to be such an interesting person would be to get yourself shot in the face by the Taliban for trying to be an educated young Pakistani girl, and having the stones to not GAF about the Taliban still wanting to murder you while you travel the world talking about this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malala_Yousafzai

Others that reach that level in life spend their lives serving the public, whether you agree with their results or not, they have managed to get themselves into rooms, situations, events that have impacted the world. This is what makes them interesting, and this is why people pay them money.

I don't understand why you criticize this and fully admit that you want to be that person. No one gives a shit that you or I spent our lives being cubicle monkeys.

 

[zinfamous]

Ick, you typed optics.

Just teasing a bit.

I thought you would appreciate the aggressive mediocrity of that word and how it manages an effective yet counter-intuitive synergistic disruption of the operative norms within the plain discourse of this topic.

 

[OutHouse]

I thought you would appreciate the aggressive mediocrity of that word and how it manages an effective yet counter-intuitive synergistic disruption of the operative norms within the plain discourse of this topic.

barf.

 

[Sonikku]

This is why I don't believe the whole "Liberal Mainstream media" bs. If the media sans Fox were all universally pulling for liberals than Powell would be grilled for this while Hillary's controversy would fall to the way side.

 

[glenn1]

It's about receiving favors from the State Department and really shouldn't have anything to do with either administration.

The point is the State Department shouldn't be giving favors to begin with.

This is why I don't believe the whole "Liberal Mainstream media" bs. If the media sans Fox were all universally pulling for liberals than Powell would be grilled for this while Hillary's controversy would fall to the way side.

Well the answer isn't to make it easier on Hillary to make things even, but rather provide more scrutiny to others doing the same questionable things. And hopefully that leads to the true solution, they all stop doing this shit because they're afraid of the reputation risk and career limiting nature of doing shady shit.

 

[Genx87]

What could possibly account for the startling difference between the way Colin Powell's foundation was treated by the press vs. the Clinton's? What could that be? Bueller? Anyone? :insertcolberticonhere:

"In 1997, after a distinguished career in military service that culminated with stints as national security adviser under Ronald Reagan and chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton, Colin Powell launched a charity. Named America’s Promise, it’s built around the theme of Five Promises to America’s children.

snip [Powell nominated and confirmed as Bush’s Secretary of State]

So what about the charity? Well, Powell’s wife, Alma Powell, took it over. And it kept raking in donations from corporate America. Ken Lay, the chair of Enron, was a big donor. He also backed a literacy-related charity that was founded by the then-president’s mother. The US Department of State, at the time Powell was secretary, went to bat for Enron in a dispute the company was having with the Indian government.

Did Lay or any other Enron official attempt to use their connections with Alma Powell (or Barbara Bush, for that matter) to help secure access to State Department personnel in order to voice these concerns? Did any other donors to America’s Promise? I have no idea,because to the best of my knowledge nobody in the media ever launched an extensive investigation into these matters. That’s the value of the presumption of innocence, something Hillary Clinton has never been able to enjoy during her time in the national spotlight."

There is something drastically different between these two on their career path. I cant quite put my finger on it.

Now if Colin Powell runs for president the press will be all over this charity. Right now who is interested in a charity situation for a retired politician that considered running for President 17 years ago? This isnt a difficult reason to understand why the press have treated these two differently.

 

[bshole]

I don't understand why you criticize this and fully admit that you want to be that person. No one gives a shit that you or I spent our lives being cubicle monkeys.

You and I do! And for the record, you yourself have said many more things that I have found of profound interest than Hillary EVER has. In fact, your last post to me had more self-awareness and wisdom in it than I have seen in a lifetime of Hillary Clinton utterings. To me she is just another plutocratic with GW Bush oratory skills.

I don't want the position of a political monkey answering to corporate masters for money. I just want the fucking money. I consider the work product of engineers to be of much higher quality and utility than the work product of our corporate controlled politicians. These twats have given the keys to manufacturing to Asia and crippled the middle class to achieve that. The remarkable achievement of gutting the middle class required billions in kickbacks to countless politicians (usually made by paid consultancies or speaking fees). Disgraceful. Wait until they hand over the keys to engineering, that will signal the death knell.

Like I said in a previous post (which referenced a Forbes article). Comparatively speaking, a senior engineer is compensated at a level that is less than 10% of what they made in 1965. This demonstrates the utter disregard for engineering by corporate elites and our government. They have eroded our salaries to the point that we are making the equivalent of a minimum wage worker in 1965. What is sickening about this is that they eroded else's wages so badly that this pathetic compensation is considered to be upper middle class.

 

[ivwshane]

Yeah, this isn't difficult to understand and yet you don't seem to be able to grasp the issue.

The Clinton foundation didn't just recently become an issue when Clinton decided to run for president, it was an issue raised by the right and the media when Hillary became the SoS.

The double standard is so obvious that only a partisan hack wouldn't be able to see it.

There is something drastically different between these two on their career path. I cant quite put my finger on it.

Now if Colin Powell runs for president the press will be all over this charity. Right now who is interested in a charity situation for a retired politician that considered running for President 17 years ago? This isnt a difficult reason to understand why the press have treated these two differently.

 

[Genx87]

Yeah, this isn't difficult to understand and yet you don't seem to be able to grasp the issue.

The Clinton foundation didn't just recently become an issue when Clinton decided to run for president, it was an issue raised by the right and the media when Hillary became the SoS.

The double standard is so obvious that only a partisan hack wouldn't be able to see it.

I didnt say there wasnt a double standard. I said nobody cares because he isnt running for president. It is such a non-issue how much time did you devote to it before this thread?

 

[Perknose]

I said nobody cares because he isnt running for president.

Whoosh. You miss the point, whether intentionally or not.

"Nobody cared" even the entire evul librul media, when Powell was SOS and donors to his charity like the Enron douche got treatment and access that may have been a tit for tat.

But, in the very same situation, Hilary as SOS and the question of whether donors to the Clinton foundation may or may not have benefited, it was all over the press BACK THEN (as well as now.)

The point is, then as well as now, is that there was and continues to be a right wing cottage industry dedicated to tarring the Clintons with whatever they can, whenever they can.

IF these people had any shred of integrity, they would have been all over Powell back then as well, but there wasn't a peep. Not . . . one . . . peep.

Why is that?

 

[ivwshane]

I didnt say there wasnt a double standard. I said nobody cares because he isnt running for president. It is such a non-issue how much time did you devote to it before this thread?

I've devoted quite a bit of time to it trying to debunk and unspin bullshit from posters like yourself. I devoted zero time doing the same to Powell because I wasn't even aware that he had a charity let alone that he had one during his time as SoS. But I was certainly aware of the Clinton foundation and I was certainly made aware of hillarys involvement with it during her time as SoS before she decided to run for president. I wonder why that is?

What other presidential charities are you aware of?

 

[glenn1]

Whoosh. You miss the point, whether intentionally or not.

"Nobody cared" even the entire evul librul media, when Powell was SOS and donors to his charity like the Enron douche got treatment and access that may have been a tit for tat.

But, in the very same situation, Hilary as SOS and the question of whether donors to the Clinton foundation may or may not have benefited, it was all over the press BACK THEN (as well as now.)

The point is, then as well as now, is that there was and continues to be a right wing cottage industry dedicated to tarring the Clintons with whatever they can, whenever they can.

IF these people had any shred of integrity, they would have been all over Powell back then as well, but there wasn't a peep. Not . . . one . . . peep.

Why is that?

So your complaint is about the job performance of the media and picking on poor Hillary instead of the State Department engaging in pay to play under at least 2 different administrations? Glad to see where your priorities lie.

 

[ivwshane]

So your complaint is about the job performance of the media and picking on poor Hillary instead of the State Department engaging in pay to play under at least 2 different administrations? Glad to see where your priorities lie.

Hypocrite says what?

 

[Cozarkian]

But I was certainly aware of the Clinton foundation and I was certainly made aware of hillarys involvement with it during her time as SoS before she decided to run for president. I wonder why that is?

Just to clarify, you mean after Hillary had ran for President once, at a time when her appointment was big news because it was not a typical appointment of a loyal supporter but rather an olive branch by a political rival that had crushed her dreams, admist rampant political gossip that Hillary still wanted to run for President and at a time when she was generally perceived as one of the top 3, if not the top potential successor-candidates to Obama?

 

[MongGrel]

Just to clarify, you mean after Hillary had ran for President once, at a time when her appointment was big news because it was not a typical appointment of a loyal supporter but rather an olive branch by a political rival that had crushed her dreams, admist rampant political gossip that Hillary still wanted to run for President and at a time when she was generally perceived as one of the top 3, if not the top potential successor-candidates to Obama?

The Clinton Foundation was under attack way before she officially joined it in 2013.

 

[Perknose]

So your complaint is about the job performance of the media and picking on poor Hillary instead of the State Department engaging in pay to play under at least 2 different administrations? Glad to see where your priorities lie.

Stop putting your words in my mouth. My POINT is that there is, and has been, a long-running and well financed cottage industry of right wingers that have gone after the Clintons in every way possible, which is why the media is now endlessly regurgitating their bile and why there was never one peep about Powell.

IN BOTH CASES, there is no proof that there was ever any pay to play tit for tat, but in both cases, there is at least the appearance that there could be.

However, IN ONLY ONE CASE has this possibility been highlighted and re-disseminated in the general media again and again and again and again, and as absolute proof at that.

My POINT, my only point, is the WHY of this incredible discrepency, which, again (and watch my lips to enhance your comprehension) is the well organized, decades long, bitter-ass right wing Ministry of Anti-Clinton propaganda.

In conclusion, BENGAZI.

 

[rudder]

The treatment of the Clinton Foundation by the media, most especially the Associated Press, has been absolutely fucking disgraceful. Almost as bad as the email "scandal". They've basically treated an A rated foundation like a slush fund for "donors" to funnel money into the Clintons' pockets. Fuck those fucking assholes.

Well I know it wasn't the Haitians that gave the Clinton foundation an A rating . I won't even touch all the other goings on like having a Clinton foundation employee working at the state department. The emails are filtering out.... But we all know Hillary is clean. Just a vast right wing conspiracy.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well I know it wasn't the Haitians that gave the Clinton foundation an A rating . I won't even touch all the other goings on like having a Clinton foundation employee working at the state department. The emails are filtering out.... But we all no Hillary is clean. Just a vast right wing conspiracy.

What foundation employee worked simultaneously at State?

 

[Jhhnn]

Well I know it wasn't the Haitians that gave the Clinton foundation an A rating . I won't even touch all the other goings on like having a Clinton foundation employee working at the state department. The emails are filtering out.... But we all no Hillary is clean. Just a vast right wing conspiracy.

You don't know shit about what kind of rating the Haitians gave Clinton Foundation efforts, either. If Chelsea's perspective is indicative, they probably did it better than most-

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-email-213110

 

[rudder]

What foundation employee worked simultaneously at State?

Well I should have said paid consultant.... But what difference does it make. More and more shit is revealed in Hilary's emails and leftists are convinced it is business as usual.

I hope Assange stays alive long enough to see the next batch released in October.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well I should have said paid consultant.... But what difference does it make. More and more shit is revealed in Hilary's emails and leftists are convinced it is business as usual.

I hope Assange stays alive long enough to see the next batch released in October.

Well, you should have given a name, but apparently you don't have one.

 

[MongGrel]

Well I should have said paid consultant.... But what difference does it make. More and more shit is revealed in Hilary's emails and leftists are convinced it is business as usual.

I hope Assange stays alive long enough to see the next batch released in October.

You typically should not say anything as it is normally complete FUD.

But I'm sure you won't let that slow you down any.

I will take it for granted you looked a few things up after going ready, fire, aim and realized you were being foolish again.

 

[werepossum]

There is something drastically different between these two on their career path. I cant quite put my finger on it.

Now if Colin Powell runs for president the press will be all over this charity. Right now who is interested in a charity situation for a retired politician that considered running for President 17 years ago? This isnt a difficult reason to understand why the press have treated these two differently.

Another big difference is that Powell's charity is a typical private charity; it raises money, then grants that money to hopefully deserving groups who do the actual ground work. The Clinton Family Foundation is somewhat of a black hole; money comes in, . . . . , big profit.

What foundation employee worked simultaneously at State?

Huma Abedin worked simultaneously for the State Department, the Clinton Family Foundation, and a lobbying firm. So while her actions often looked like corruption, you just had to realize which invisible hat she was wearing at the moment.