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Treating Red Meat with Carbon Monoxide

borosp1

Senior member
I saw a segment on the the CBS Early Show this morning about Carbon Monoxide in meat. Its kinda scarry since big business supermarkets are all about making a profit and more than likely lie on packaging dates because the carbon monoxide meat looks just as red as newly packaged meat. I hope there will be some safegaurd or labeling laws passed soon. Its sick to think you could be consuming spoiled meat that looks like its fresh! 🙁

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/21/earlyshow/health/main1332952.shtml

and another similair story in the nytimes:
NYTIMES Article
(CBS) Picture yourself at the grocery store faced with two cuts of packaged fresh red meat, one pink, the other brown.

Which would you choose? Most people would buy the pink meat, assuming it was fresher.

But that's not necessarily true.

The meat industry has started spiking much packaged fresh meat with harmless amounts of carbon monoxide, which helps the meat retain a pink, "fresh" color for weeks.

Consumer groups are up in arms over the practice, not because it's necessarily harmful, but because it's happening without any provisions to tell consumers the meat has been treated with the gas.

The groups fear that could lead to the consumption of spoiled meat, because the treatment could keep meat looking fresh beyond when it actually is.

"The meat industry is taking away one of the key visual cues that consumers use to determine whether meat is fresh or whether it's old and may be spoiled," asserted Caroline DeWaal, Food Safety Director of the Center for Science and Public Interest, on The Early Show Tuesday. "It locks in the redness. That means that meat that could be old and spoiled will still look fresh in the package."

"Now," she told co-anchor Harry Smith, "we don't have a concern with carbon monoxide. That's really not the issue. But the issue is one of labeling, and making sure that consumers have clear information that the meat has been treated with something that locks in the redness, and that they've got to use it or freeze it by a certain date.

"It's critical that the industry clearly label the meat to show that consumers can't rely on that color as their cue."

The industry, Smith pointed out, says even after meat has started to change color, it's still good to eat, and all the carbon monoxide does is keep that color there a little longer.

DeWaal didn't disagree, but added, "The color ? doesn't stay there a little longer. The color really is locked in for weeks, perhaps. So, that means the meat could be more exposed to high temperatures. I mean, the longer it sits around, the more likely it is to be subject to abuse, which could lead to spoilage or the growth of ? bacteria."

What are the rules regarding labeling?

"Depending on where the meat was packaged, many meat products do carry a 'use-by' date," DeWaal responded. "We think it should also say that it's been treated with carbon monoxide, because that will indicate to consumers that they can't rely on their eyes to check the meat.

"Check with the grocery store (to find out whether they're) buying meat that's been treated this way. In the long run, we'll see that this process will be labeled on the package, and I think that's the right approach here."
 
A good restaurant will age meat by 21 days (maybe more) so that it turns all brown. Color and age aren't good ways to determine if it is spoiled.

You suckers want the red-looking meat.
 
Originally posted by: dullard
A good restaurant will age meat by 21 days (maybe more) so that it turns all brown. Color and age aren't good ways to determine if it is spoiled.

You suckers want the red-looking meat.

Some places even dye the meat red so they can redate it.
 
Originally posted by: dullard
A good restaurant will age meat by 21 days (maybe more) so that it turns all brown. Color and age aren't good ways to determine if it is spoiled.

You suckers want the red-looking meat.

Ageing meat needs to be done in a special way so it doesn't spoil. Meat that has been packaged for the supermarket does not age but spoils.
And color is one of clues to the age of supermarket meat.
So I agree there should be a package label informing the consumer the meat has been treated with carbon monoxide.
 
You need to know how fresh something is when you buy it so that you know how long you have to either eat it or freeze it. I've bought hamburger before that looked fresh on the outside, but when I opened it and got to the inside, all they had done was put some fresh hamburger on the top of some old hamburger. That way it looks nice and fresh when you bought it, but when you open it the inside is old hamburger. If it sat in the fridge for a week before you opened it the old part could get bad on you.
 
ODD COUPLE:

Oscar: "Who wants food?"

Murray: "What do ya got?"

Oscar: "I've got brown sandwiches and green sandwiches. Which one do ya want?"

Murray: "What's the green?"

Oscar: "It's either very new cheese, or very old meat."

Murray: "I'll take the brown."
 
Simple rule in life, do not buy meat at a supermarket, find a quality butcher.

EDIT: similar rule applies for vegetables, find a decent greengrocer.
 
Originally posted by: zugzoog
Simple rule in life, do not buy meat at a supermarket, find a quality butcher.

EDIT: similar rule applies for vegetables, find a decent greengrocer.
I wish I could. I live in a small town and the supermarket is my only option.
Most small butchers were put out of business years ago, like my Dad's small butcher shop.
When the everyday price of meat in the supermarket was lower than my Dads wholesale price that was the end for him. My family had the store for 3 generations.
Now I fix computers for a living.


 
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: zugzoog
Simple rule in life, do not buy meat at a supermarket, find a quality butcher.

EDIT: similar rule applies for vegetables, find a decent greengrocer.
I wish I could. I live in a small town and the supermarket is my only option.
Most small butchers were put out of business years ago, like my Dad's small butcher shop.
When the everyday price of meat in the supermarket was lower than my Dads wholesale price that was the end for him. My family had the store for 3 generations.
Now I fix computers for a living.

It is a shame that he did not get more information on competing with methods other than price. He should have been proud of the fact that his meat cost more. He had to get the added value across to the consumer, though. That is the hard part. Many people have sucessfully differentiated theiir market though even with higher prices.
 
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: dullard
A good restaurant will age meat by 21 days (maybe more) so that it turns all brown. Color and age aren't good ways to determine if it is spoiled.

You suckers want the red-looking meat.

Ageing meat needs to be done in a special way so it doesn't spoil. Meat that has been packaged for the supermarket does not age but spoils.
And color is one of clues to the age of supermarket meat.
So I agree there should be a package label informing the consumer the meat has been treated with carbon monoxide.

An old german chef I worked with told me that back in the day, you would hang beef till it grew a beard (mold). You'd whipe the beard off, rinse, and cook = he still insists that was the best beef. Yea, he aged all his beef in an aging room for about 21 days.

 
Originally posted by: borosp1
I saw a segment on the the CBS Early Show this morning about Carbon Monoxide in meat. Its kinda scarry since big business supermarkets are all about making a profit and more than likely lie on packaging dates because the carbon monoxide meat looks just as red as newly packaged meat. I hope there will be some safegaurd or labeling laws passed soon. Its sick to think you could be consuming spoiled meat that looks like its fresh! 🙁

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/21/earlyshow/health/main1332952.shtml

and another similair story in the nytimes:
NYTIMES Article
(CBS) Picture yourself at the grocery store faced with two cuts of packaged fresh red meat, one pink, the other brown.

Yuck!
 
Originally posted by: episodic
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: dullard
A good restaurant will age meat by 21 days (maybe more) so that it turns all brown. Color and age aren't good ways to determine if it is spoiled.

You suckers want the red-looking meat.

Ageing meat needs to be done in a special way so it doesn't spoil. Meat that has been packaged for the supermarket does not age but spoils.
And color is one of clues to the age of supermarket meat.
So I agree there should be a package label informing the consumer the meat has been treated with carbon monoxide.

An old german chef I worked with told me that back in the day, you would hang beef till it grew a beard (mold). You'd whipe the beard off, rinse, and cook = he still insists that was the best beef. Yea, he aged all his beef in an aging room for about 21 days.
I have seen meat that has been aged and has grown the mold (it is normal). It looks disgusting.
But it is totally awesome beef!
If have never tried it you can't even begin to imagine how delicious it is!


 
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: zugzoog
Simple rule in life, do not buy meat at a supermarket, find a quality butcher.

EDIT: similar rule applies for vegetables, find a decent greengrocer.
I wish I could. I live in a small town and the supermarket is my only option.
Most small butchers were put out of business years ago, like my Dad's small butcher shop.
When the everyday price of meat in the supermarket was lower than my Dads wholesale price that was the end for him. My family had the store for 3 generations.
Now I fix computers for a living.

Around here, almost every small town has at least one butcher shop. There was a time when a lot of butcher shops closed, but people found you couldn't get along without them. I even know 2 different farmers who have butcher shops on their farms. One does it part time and the other is full time and employs several people.

 
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: zugzoog
Simple rule in life, do not buy meat at a supermarket, find a quality butcher.

EDIT: similar rule applies for vegetables, find a decent greengrocer.
I wish I could. I live in a small town and the supermarket is my only option.
Most small butchers were put out of business years ago, like my Dad's small butcher shop.
When the everyday price of meat in the supermarket was lower than my Dads wholesale price that was the end for him. My family had the store for 3 generations.
Now I fix computers for a living.

Small towns are EXCELLANT for finding locally butchered meat, and growers. Get out of town and drive around a bit, I'm sure you can find a small coop or private farmer who butchers their own meat.

 
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: dullard
A good restaurant will age meat by 21 days (maybe more) so that it turns all brown. Color and age aren't good ways to determine if it is spoiled.

You suckers want the red-looking meat.

Ageing meat needs to be done in a special way so it doesn't spoil. Meat that has been packaged for the supermarket does not age but spoils.
And color is one of clues to the age of supermarket meat.
So I agree there should be a package label informing the consumer the meat has been treated with carbon monoxide.

Huh? 😕
Why don't we just ban the use of carbon monoxide on meat!
 
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