Traveling while Black or Latino.

[ericlp]

well, if your wearing your pants down to your knees with gang tats... your gonna get frisked. Your your wearing bandannas specifically red or blue ones your gonna get frisked. Shouldn't matter what color you are but I see this shit all the time and mostly black or mexican are playing this roll. Yeah, I've seen the white idiots dress like this too. They should pull up their pants and put away the gang related hats and t-shirts etc...etc.... and look representable if when they want to ride the subway...

Look at the prison statistics do you see any resemblance or are you shocked at that too? If not then you should be... I think the statistics are even Worse for prison numbers.... What to do what to do?

Personally, I would be happy as hell if they had MORE security at the subways to make your ride a little safer.... I know I would.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: ericlp
well, if your wearing your pants down to your knees with gang tats... your gonna get frisked. Your your wearing bandannas specifically red or blue ones your gonna get frisked. Shouldn't matter what color you are but I see this shit all the time and mostly black or mexican are playing this roll. Yeah, I've seen the white idiots dress like this too. They should pull up their pants and put away the gang related hats and t-shirts etc...etc.... and look representable if when they want to ride the subway...

Look at the prison statistics do you see any resemblance or are you shocked at that too? If not then you should be... I think the statistics are even Worse for prison numbers.... What to do what to do?

Personally, I would be happy as hell if they had MORE security at the subways to make your ride a little safer.... I know I would.

I get frisked for wearing tight jeans and hollister t-shirts

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Taejin
How do you people know that the police aren't stopping and frisking based on how the person acts/dresses? If a larger majority of African Americans wear 'thug-life' outfits, or look like gangsters, etc - then doesn't it make more sense that they get frisked more often? So taken into account that blacks have a larger population than the #2 race committing crime (latinos) and are generally of lower socioeconomic status (thus possibly increasing the pool of youngsters involved in bad environments), it would seem that the police have it about right.

Race could be correlating strongly with how these people dress - and the police may be frisking people based on how they dress/act. You aren't going to see a policeman frisking anyone who seems well groomed, expensive business suit, briefcase, walking out of Goldman Sachs, etc (well..not normally, right?).

Just a thought.

If a larger majority of African Americans wear 'thug-life' outfits, or look like gangsters, etc - then doesn't it make more sense that they get frisked more often?

Wow. Just wow. You are really advocating that in America the police should have policy of searching you based on the style of your dress?

Has ANYONE ever read a book about Nazi Germany and Fascism?

Sorry, but the way you dress DOES matter. If the police are looking for a homeless guy that just robbed someone, do you think they will bother talking to the guy wearing a three piece suit? ZOMG WERE IN NAZI GURMANY!!?!?!?11?

Just so we know your background here, how many investigations have you conducted?

And since you HAVE conducted investigations, I assume you realize how silly it is to try to catch bad guys using a profile using extremely broad characteristics that fit half the people in your search area. Imagine a guy robbing a convenience store and you're trying to track him down based off of "he was wearing pants". And you don't even have that here, we're not talking about one specific crime or one specific suspect...we're talking about trying to PREVENT crimes based off of who is "more likely" to commit them using a trait that fits 50% of the population.

The whole thing seems phenomenally silly to me, surely the police have a better way to prevent crime than this.

My point was that you use every possible tool available, you don't count something out just because it might offend someone. Techs assertion that because we take into account the way that someone dresses when conducting an investigation means that we are one step away from throwing all the jews in gas chambers is ridiculous.

FWIW - I didn't conduct many investigations at all, this is just basic stuff.

And a part of looking at every possible tool available is considering the trade-offs in using them. Some people seem to be of the opinion that racial profiling is totally without cost, that we might as well do it on the off chance that it's even marginally effective. I'd say that's not true, and making that kind of argument ignores the very real social cost of treating people differently based on race. It's not making black people ride at the back of the bus, but it's not all that much different, either...at least in terms of dividing the country along racial lines.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: drbrock
this is no different than the stupid "angry white man" thread. the Feds do what works. Race cards are worthless.

Yes, I can't see anything wrong with the standard being "what works for the Feds". There is no way at all that we would trip and fall face first down the slippery slope towards being a police state with THAT kind of freedom loving attitude. :roll:

 

[Rainsford]

I brought this up before, but it could have got buried in a reply of mine...so I'll ask again in a more straightforward way. Has anyone who is arguing for racial profiling in terms of pure effectiveness in stopping crime considered that "stopping crime" is maybe not the only consideration when you live in a free country? I know it's an outlandish idea in this day and age, but I seem to remember something about our principles sometimes being more important than our safety being a founding idea of this country. I don't think racial profiling is very effective at stopping crime, but even if I did, I still wouldn't support it.