Traveling in China.

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So, as some of you may know I'm traveling in China at the moment. I lived here for about 3 1/2 years when I was a toddler and I speak enough of the language to get around. (Currently traveling with parents though :( ) Anyway just wanted to "blog" about some experiences. Might add to these if there is any interest.

Also please ask questions!

-Driving in china is nucking futs!!! 1/2 the cars straddle two lanes because you can never predict when the car in front or behind is going to cut in line and you will need to move. Cars share the road with thousands of electric scooters, small motorbikes and bicycles. These other vehicles don't follow any rules either and cars have to continuously negotiate their way around them at all times. Having said this drivers are far better at navigating said obstacles than most anywhere else. I've yet to feel in much danger being in a taxi despite all the chaos. Also drivers rarely lose their temper at any of this, they just navigate around it all.

-Food is for the most part cheap and good! Street vendors abound and can be found in any sized city. Often there will be many areas where block upon block is nothing but hawker's stalls. Aside from staying away from some of the obvious stuff (seafood sitting in hot glass cases) these vendors are safe to eat at and serve some awesome food for cheap. Even restaurants are cheap though. Example we had a meal today consisting of 3 dishes (vermicelli, jiaozi, stir fried rice) and two large beer (=4 reg beer) for about 10 bucks CDN (9 US).

-The price of other consumables depends very much on where you shop and whether you want a knockoff or the real deal. In large cities like Shanghai and Beijing you can spend more on hand bags and clothes than you would in Paris, and yes these would be the real thing. Go into the smaller local stores though and you can pick up clothing and other accessories for far far less. Good looking t-shirts for something like 3 or 4 bucks US. And you can get cheaper. Try to avoid buying anything at any of the big tourist traps, real rip off most of the time.

-In the big cities the Chinese like to spend on clothes and by and large there is more variation amongst the fashions than in the west.

-Seems on the net people either complain that there are no sexy women or there are tons. The truth lies in between but lies closer to the later. (1) you obviously have to be into Asian women! (2) almost ALL the women here like to dress sexy, high heel shoes and short skirts regardless of whether they really are sexy or not. This means that in the big cities there are "head turners" every 10 seconds. But of course it also means there are more average women wearing the same skirts and heels.

-This is MUCH more of a no holds bared capitalist country than the US or most anywhere else. That means buyer beware!! So long as you have your wits about you, you should be OK. There is a HUGE influx of poor rural people coming in from the country side looking to make a living. Most of these get factory jobs, work at restaurants, drive taxis etc etc... The vast majority are honest and hard working. However where there are tourists there is money and where there is money there are scammers. Always go with your gut feeling and take much of what you are being told with a grain of salt. Taxi drivers for example are well known for telling gullible people "Oh sorry that hotel is closed due to renovations etc etc then take you to some other establishment for which they get a fat commission". Or take you round 10 blocks to get you to somewhere 2 blocks away. Having said all this so long as your wits are about you and can brush off the rude encounters most of the people you meet are really very friendly and helpful.

-Don't come to China expecting western standards or those of Tokyo. China is a different country and though very modern in places like Beijing and Shanghai rural standards still apply all over the place, GET USED TO IT! Squat toilets, spitting on sidewalks, small children releaving themselves in the street, NOISE noise noise, staring at people etc etc... abound all over the place.

-The country side is really quite beautiful. Get outside any major city things start looking like rural country side very quickly. Small towns and farms are everywhere. The Karst geography can be stunning!

-The transportation network is very well developed and getting from point A to B be it 10 miles or 1000 miles is not difficult on average.

 

jinduy

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traffic sounds just as bad as hong kong (technically china i guess) and thailand

i take it the pollution there's a lot worse than the states?
 

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Originally posted by: jinduy
traffic sounds just as bad as hong kong (technically china i guess) and thailand

i take it the pollution there's a lot worse than the states?

I imagine the traffic would be similar to Thailand, would think Hong Kong would be better. Think of it this way. If there are 2 lanes painted on the road drivers treat it like 3 1/2 and you can go from lane 1 to 3 ANY time you please. Also driving into oncoming traffic to pass is NO PROBLEM whatsoever so long as you can negotiate it. Pollution is on average WAY worse than in the west. But that depends on what day you are in what city. We were in Shanghai during a temperature inversion and the whole time we didn't see much of the sun and it wasn't because of clouds. During sun set you could look right at the sun directly through the smog. But then I hear that Los Angeles is sometimes like this too. But yeah on average its MUCH worse.
 

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I'm planning on going for a month July/August travelling alone.
Beijing - Shanghai - Hong Kong/Macau for now. So far I've only really looked into the famous landmarks in the cities but if you have any suggestions for "must-see" things that aren't too off the beaten path I'm more than up for suggestions!

I don't speak Chinese at all (English & French fluently and decent Japanese) so I'll unfortunately have to stick with rather touristy spots/big cities.

My main accommodations will be hostels, not just because they're cheap but also a good way to meet other travellers.
 

Koing

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I disagree with the women. I was in Beijing for 3 weeks for the Olympics.

We went out to the the Great Wall and saw some stunning countryside along the way.

The food was awesome man!

The traffic was okay (Olympic rules, half cars on the roads on even or odd calender dates) but the driving was INSANE, people cutting the f0ck up of each other.

Koing
 

Locut0s

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Originally posted by: toonces
I'm planning on going for a month July/August travelling alone.
Beijing - Shanghai - Hong Kong/Macau for now. So far I've only really looked into the famous landmarks in the cities but if you have any suggestions for "must-see" things that aren't too off the beaten path I'm more than up for suggestions!

I don't speak Chinese at all (English & French fluently and decent Japanese) so I'll unfortunately have to stick with rather touristy spots/big cities.

My main accommodations will be hostels, not just because they're cheap but also a good way to meet other travellers.

Can't help you with much I'm afraid. I'm traveling with my parents right now which sucks :( However for Beijing and Shanghai, Beijing has FAR FAR more actual interesting tourist sites to see. Forbidden city, Great wall, etc etc etc.... Shanghai is the economic engine of china though so go here for some killer shopping and eating. There are restaurants from every corner of the world and malls that make most malls back home look like strip malls. Shanghai also boasts an amazing sky line. One thing to note most people will tell you to visit the bund which is a long riverside seawall with old colonial buildings facing Shanghai's amazing skyline. Unfortunately it's under renovation right now and is off limits. Instead go across the river to the other bank and experience the skyline from there. Shanghai is holding the 2010 world expo and unfortunately there is a lot of upgrading and construction going on for it.
 

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Originally posted by: Koing
I disagree with the women. I was in Beijing for 3 weeks for the Olympics.

We went out to the the Great Wall and saw some stunning countryside along the way.

The food was awesome man!

The traffic was okay (Olympic rules, half cars on the roads on even or odd calender dates) but the driving was INSANE, people cutting the f0ck up of each other.

Koing

You mean you disagree there are a lot of beauties? It's mostly statistics. 1+ billion people + people liking to dress skimpily = lots of hot women but it also = a lot more unattractive women. Math.

Yeah if you were there during the Olympics you didn't see traffic the way it usually is. Take the same "people cutting the f0ck up of each other" and add 3x more cars :)
 

Locut0s

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Originally posted by: Svnla
OP, you sound like me when I made the trip to Saigon, South Vietnam a few months ago.

I agree with most of your points, especially the freaking traffic and noise and dirty air.


Don't forget take plenty of pictures.

Here is the thread about my trip = http://forums.anandtech.com/me...key=y&keyword1=vietnam

Thanks for the reply. Like your pics :) I'm taking lots myself. I'm going to be posting the best of them when I get back.
 

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Originally posted by: Born2bwire
The asian toilets here frighten and bewilder me.

Make sure to bring your own toilet paper there NEVER is any when you need it. Also you are fucking screwed if you have the runs :Q
 

Born2bwire

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Originally posted by: Locut0s
Originally posted by: Born2bwire
The asian toilets here frighten and bewilder me.

Make sure to bring your own toilet paper there NEVER is any when you need it. Also you are fucking screwed if you have the runs :Q

I know. You get in the habit of carrying around tissues with you. Restaurants rarely have napkins and stuff so always make sure you bring your own.
 

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Originally posted by: jinduy
traffic sounds just as bad as hong kong (technically china i guess) and thailand

i take it the pollution there's a lot worse than the states?

it is as bad as HK, the drivers are less reckless, but there are many more motorbikes and other obstacles.

here's a tip from me on clothing, if you ever venture to cities in southern china, good chances are you will find some sample or stolen clothes made for foreign company for dirt cheap. When the northface wasn't popular back there (it prob still isn't a household name, unlike columbia), i saw a dawn jacket going for 1/4 price of what it would've cost in the US. Old navys are about half price. You just have to have an eye for quality to tell the real from the fakes. They usually sell them in small shops at the very low end mall.
 

FelixDeCat

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Born2bwire

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Originally posted by: ivan2
Originally posted by: jinduy
traffic sounds just as bad as hong kong (technically china i guess) and thailand

i take it the pollution there's a lot worse than the states?

it is as bad as HK, the drivers are less reckless, but there are many more motorbikes and other obstacles.

here's a tip from me on clothing, if you ever venture to cities in southern china, good chances are you will find some sample or stolen clothes made for foreign company for dirt cheap. When the northface wasn't popular back there (it prob still isn't a household name, unlike columbia), i saw a dawn jacket going for 1/4 price of what it would've cost in the US. Old navys are about half price. You just have to have an eye for quality to tell the real from the fakes. They usually sell them in small shops at the very low end mall.

I haven't felt that the traffic in Hong Kong is bad. It's pretty good when compared to Chicago. Parking is a big problem but in terms of getting from point A to point B it's not too bad.
 

Locut0s

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Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
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OK I speak Chinese but don't read it. Both parents do though. Did a google translate on it. Something about Xiamen and when air conditioning is needed?

Xiamen is a very nice city by the way. Used to live there when I was 2 years old. I still remember some of it. We were there a few days ago. Sort of like the China equivalent of the SF bay area or the Mediterranean :)
 

FelixDeCat

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Originally posted by: Locut0s
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
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OK I speak Chinese but don't read it. Both parents do though. Did a google translate on it. Something about Xiamen and when air conditioning is needed?

Xiamen is a very nice city by the way. Used to live there when I was 2 years old. I still remember some of it. We were there a few days ago. Sort of like the China equivalent of the SF bay area or the Mediterranean :)

Yeah I dont know what it means either. I was perusing the Chinese version of their customs website and decide to copy /paste some random sentence to test your skills. I have never been to China, but one day may go.
 

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I've got to go sometime. Been once as an infant, but that doesn't count. Too bad I don't speak the language.
 

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I noticed in a lot of the smaller cities in China you see women that are hot, but don't realize they are hot. They end up wearing clothes that are average looking, but they look really good in it.

Agree with you about the traffic. Crazy, but people find a way to drive without getting into accidents or having road rage outbursts. If you get the chance try to take a pedicab. Those guys don't stop at red lights, like most drivers here. Some of the smaller cities even have motorcycle taxis. You basically jump on the back of a motorcycle and hold on to the chest of the guy driving.

Love the street food, especially the Xinjiang style barbecue.

Be sure to bargain for everything, and if the boss doesn't lower prices just turn around and walk away. He'll chase you down and give you a good price. If you're bargaining and you initially offer a low price and the boss smiles and accepts it quickly, walk away. You're paying too much. You'll know you got a good price if the boss looks pissed off when you pay.
 

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Originally posted by: cdan
I noticed in a lot of the smaller cities in China you see women that are hot, but don't realize they are hot. They end up wearing clothes that are average looking, but they look really good in it.

Agree with you about the traffic. Crazy, but people find a way to drive without getting into accidents or having road rage outbursts. If you get the chance try to take a pedicab. Those guys don't stop at red lights, like most drivers here. Some of the smaller cities even have motorcycle taxis. You basically jump on the back of a motorcycle and hold on to the chest of the guy driving.

Love the street food, especially the Xinjiang style barbecue.

Be sure to bargain for everything, and if the boss doesn't lower prices just turn around and walk away. He'll chase you down and give you a good price. If you're bargaining and you initially offer a low price and the boss smiles and accepts it quickly, walk away. You're paying too much. You'll know you got a good price if the boss looks pissed off when you pay.

Agreed about all that. What you will find more often though are women who think they are hot who may or may not be. These will typically act like spoiled brats who are entitled to everything.... wait a sec guess this is the same everywhere :)

About the motorcycle cabs you are right about those but I'm not sure I'd feel safe on one of them. Also since most of these guys are not licensed like most of the cabies you are even more likely to get ripped off.

About bargaining you are right. However don't be stupid and bargain everywhere. You can really only bargain at small shops, street vendors and knockoff stores. Don't bargain at big malls, restaurants or for street food. A rule I've seen is to immediately take 2/3 of the initial price off. And you are right about walking away.
 

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I lived in China for ten months from Sept. 06 to July 07. It really was awesome! Most of the time I was in Xi'an, but I visited Qingdao, Shanghai, and Beijing as well. I think I actually liked Shanghai the best. It definitely had the most exposure to modern Chinese culture. And while Beijing may have more historical stuff, that was sort of lost on me since Beijing's historic sights are nothing compared to Xi'an's. Xi'an is an older city with more history than Beijing and there was no shortage of cool old stuff to look at. Qingdao was pretty; it actually reminded me a bit of Europe. After all, much of the city's development took place under German rule in the early 20th century. It was much more sparsely populated than the other cities, despite being large. The view from the top of one of the many hills in the city showed hundreds of red tile roofs, just like what you'd see in, say, an old Spanish or Italian city.

I agree with you on the street food. That may be one of the biggest things I miss about China. The food in general was almost always good and cheap. In fact, in many cases, the cheaper it was, the better it was; expensive restaurants tended to have worse food. Street food was really fun though. One of my favorite things to do when I was there was to hit up a club with some friends, leave at 2 or 3 am, and then we'd be hungry again so we'd hit up a street vendor selling baozi or kao rou (grilled meat skewers, usually lamb: Pic).

If you are going to travel to China you have to do so with a completely open mind and a willingness to have adventures, even if it's not totally comfortable. Yes, it was nice to come home and have a soft bed for once, and all the other comforts of the U.S., but I definitely miss China. If you're used to living a cushy life, China makes you feel like you're out on the frontier or something. Every time you go out into the city, it's an adventure.
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: Locut0s
Originally posted by: Koing
I disagree with the women. I was in Beijing for 3 weeks for the Olympics.

We went out to the the Great Wall and saw some stunning countryside along the way.

The food was awesome man!

The traffic was okay (Olympic rules, half cars on the roads on even or odd calender dates) but the driving was INSANE, people cutting the f0ck up of each other.

Koing

You mean you disagree there are a lot of beauties? It's mostly statistics. 1+ billion people + people liking to dress skimpily = lots of hot women but it also = a lot more unattractive women. Math.

Yeah if you were there during the Olympics you didn't see traffic the way it usually is. Take the same "people cutting the f0ck up of each other" and add 3x more cars :)

I know statistics but I just didn't think they were all that. Same when I went to Tokyo and HK in 2005. I guess I don't have yellow fever :p but yeah different strokes for different folk.

I can only imagine the crazy traffic when not during the Olympics.

I didn't think the traffic was that bad in HK either. The drivers were fine from my experience. Nothing crazy.

Koing
 

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Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
I lived in China for ten months from Sept. 06 to July 07. It really was awesome! Most of the time I was in Xi'an, but I visited Qingdao, Shanghai, and Beijing as well. I think I actually liked Shanghai the best. It definitely had the most exposure to modern Chinese culture. And while Beijing may have more historical stuff, that was sort of lost on me since Beijing's historic sights are nothing compared to Xi'an's. Xi'an is an older city with more history than Beijing and there was no shortage of cool old stuff to look at. Qingdao was pretty; it actually reminded me a bit of Europe. After all, much of the city's development took place under German rule in the early 20th century. It was much more sparsely populated than the other cities, despite being large. The view from the top of one of the many hills in the city showed hundreds of red tile roofs, just like what you'd see in, say, an old Spanish or Italian city.

I agree with you on the street food. That may be one of the biggest things I miss about China. The food in general was almost always good and cheap. In fact, in many cases, the cheaper it was, the better it was; expensive restaurants tended to have worse food. Street food was really fun though. One of my favorite things to do when I was there was to hit up a club with some friends, leave at 2 or 3 am, and then we'd be hungry again so we'd hit up a street vendor selling baozi or kao rou (grilled meat skewers, usually lamb: Pic).

If you are going to travel to China you have to do so with a completely open mind and a willingness to have adventures, even if it's not totally comfortable. Yes, it was nice to come home and have a soft bed for once, and all the other comforts of the U.S., but I definitely miss China. If you're used to living a cushy life, China makes you feel like you're out on the frontier or something. Every time you go out into the city, it's an adventure.

Nice, Xi'an would definitely be a great place to visit! Talk about historical! That's farther inland than we will be going though. You got to love the Baozi and I've had several different types of Kao Rou, yum. Good Jaozi still can't be beat in my mind though. Only thing I stay away from is seafood but then I hate seafood anywhere so it's win win.
 

AstroManLuca

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I also like jiaoze, but baozi have the advantage of being easier to eat with your hands, an important quality in street food. And if you haven't had any yet, you should see if you can find a place that has soup-filled baozi. You'll probably get hot soup all over your hands but they taste good anyway! There's sort of a trick to eating them.