Transgender awareness: Charlize Theoren's child born a boy identifies as a girl

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UglyCasanova

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And there we are.

You understand that she is a world famous actress, yes? Since the 90s? Golden Globe and Academy Award? Hello? She has no damn need to resort to the pettiness of your imagination you shallow, pompous twat.


Right. Famous Hollywood types never resort to pettiness. They’re definitely above all that.
 

Atreus21

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The South African-born goddess announced that Jackson, the 7-year-old whom she adopted as a baby is, in fact, a girl.

Wait, is the child in fact a girl or not?
 

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Theron only made a few statements so we don't really know what happened after her son said he was not a boy at 3. Did she embrace it immediately and begin the transition or did she let it play out so she was sure that her son was a trans girl? Theron is a long time LGBTQA+ activist and enjoys the Hollywood spotlight. I would hate to think that she pushed this issue with her son so she could show her off.

Yeah, I would hope so but the quote in the article very much points to a single moment and that is all we have to go by right now. The part that gives me the most pause though is her support for the LGBTQA+ gives her a reason for this to be true. This could be like so many other things encouraged by parents into their young children just because that is what they want them to believe like religion, Trump, anti-vaxx, etc. If this story was about a 12 year old boy deciding to be a girl I would be much more understanding.
 
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Given how the topic has evolved, I suppose folks know what to expect from topics like these. So perhaps I don't need to censor so heavily. I will try to be constructive and focus on just a snippet. Pun not intended.

Gender itself. A social construct.

So if we were absent a society, if children did not contract ideas and have pressure applied to them from peers and/or adults, Gender Dysphoria would not exist. As Gender would not exist. This concept is something we developed to get people to conform, to fit them nice and snug into the little boxes and assigned roles that we expect out of them. Dysphoria, then, is a rebellion against fitting into society's box. However, it does not mean your biological sex has changed, or is wrong in any way.

A child has a very limited understanding of identity, of gender, of anything really. But the parents do. And as soon as that child is curious or does something benign but does not fit inside that box... poof, the parent assigns greater meaning... tells the child this "decision" should carry permanence in their lives. Here... have some drugs to alter your body. Later you'll have a surgeon.

But anyone with Gender Dysphoria is outside the box society has created. It can be masked, but biological sex cannot be changed. The closer someone gets to you, the more likely they'll start to notice. That's a lot of pain, time, and money to do something... to solve an issue of not fitting into society's box, when the end result isn't going to fit either. Not 100%. So why do it, why change Gender in the first place? Why would anyone encourage it?

IMO, a much preferred idea is to just be queer and enjoy your natural body. Piss on society, do not bow for them. Do not take drugs for them. Do not take a knife for them. Complete the rebellion and grab life by the horns. Find comfort in yourself, learn to love yourself. You are who you are and you do not need a mask. You do not need to be told by others to wear one.

My 2 cents.
 
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Wait, is the child in fact a girl or not?



What has been reported is that when Theron adopted the baby it was physically a boy. He announced he was not a boy at 3 years old. Fast forward to 7 years old and she is wearing dresses. We don’t know if Theron has taken any actions medically - physical, hormones, mental, etc.
 

Sonikku

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Children say things. But we don't go around chopping off a leg just because they want to be a pirate.
Your analogy is stupid. Doctors don't go around performing sexual reassignment surgery at age 3 either. Regardless of what a child says.

A kid says they're trans, so what. Maybe they'll grow out of it and they weren't trans at all, maybe they won't. A parent can be supportive without pushing ideas down their throats until an answer emerges. Any lasting measures generally aren't taken until puberty at the earliest, around the 10-12 mark. And even then hormone blockers can pause the clock on puberty to allow a child more time to develop mentally before committing to hormone replacement therapy. Even after hormone replacement begins, surgery isn't an option until 18 unless a physician is convinced it is medically necessary and cannot wait, in which case it's possible it can happen at 16.
 
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The questions being, at what age is a child wise and mature enough to decide for themselves what gender they know they are and want to be for the remainder of their lives?

What of the parents, who have never ever had to deal with such an issue, having none of the knowledge nor experience to properly deal with such an issue or how to go about educating themselves to deal with this time-critical occurrence? How do these parents balance their own interests with that of the child?

For sure, the priority for the parents is of course what's in the best interests of the child, how they decide what those interests are and how to pursue those interests while protecting, nurturing and assisting the child in their journey toward adulthood. So where do these parents turn to in order to accomplish those goals? Their church who have their own agenda and priorities? Support groups who may or may not have their own hidden agendas? The gov't of which is mired down in fiefdom wars, religious conflicts of interests and subject to the whims of whatever party is in control at that critical juncture in time?
Don't you know? The answer is always to just listen and believe.

For they are wiser and more knowledgeable than grown adults.
 
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I can see why people accuse you of being an ass. Apart from your curious take on abuse and the faux empathy, I'm curious, what are Theron's politics that you take umbrage with? Is it the pro-choice stuff or gay rights? Sounds like you have issues with personal liberty.

Yeah, there would be a lot less 'hardship' for the child if Theron disowned her, maybe sent someone off to religion camp to Jesus the demons out. Then there's the old fashioned 'beat them until no one is thinking about dresses' cure, right? You social authoritarians are always a hoot, acting like you have something to stand on. Did you take this attitude when Cheney advocated for gay rights due to having a lesbian daughter? When do conservatives start extending the same courtesy to others, this concept of being able to think logically about an issue when it affects them directly?

Pretty sure her politics were the same as this before she adopted and before her child brought up gender at all, although I could be wrong.
Of course you think he's an ass. Because he is spot on and 100% correct and you're butt-hurt that it doesn't align with your irrational thoughts.

It is 100% virtue signaling and attention whoring to go around proclaiming shit and seeking media attention when your kid declares that he/she is the opposite sex at the age of 3. Do you go around bragging to your friends when your kid identifies as an attack helicopter? How about when they proclaim to be a princess? Or a pirate? Or a dragon?

But somehow they are completely serious and not at all irrational when they proclaim to be the opposite sex. You really are that stupid aren't you? You must be one shit parent if you actually have kids to be at that peak level of stupid.

If you have kids I hope they can learn to be a sane adult on their own, because they sure aren't getting it from you.
 
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Your analogy is stupid. Doctors don't go around performing sexual reassignment surgery at age 3 either. Regardless of what a child says.

A kid says they're trans, so what. Maybe they'll grow out of it and they weren't trans at all, maybe they won't. A parent can be supportive without pushing ideas down their throats until an answer emerges. Any lasting measures generally aren't taken until puberty at the earliest, around the 10-12 mark. And even then hormone blockers can pause the clock on puberty to allow a child more time to develop mentally before committing to hormone replacement therapy. Even after hormone replacement begins, surgery isn't an option until 18 unless a physician is convinced it is medically necessary and cannot wait, in which case it's possible it can happen at 16.
Im fine with most of your points up until one part: You can't be supportive and not be craming it down your children's throats. They are taught instinctively to mimmick you and do as they are told. When you indicate that what they are doing is correct, they will believe it in full.
 

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Of course you think he's an ass. Because he is spot on and 100% correct and you're butt-hurt that it doesn't align with your irrational thoughts.

It is 100% virtue signaling and attention whoring to go around proclaiming shit and seeking media attention when your kid declares that he/she is the opposite sex at the age of 3. Do you go around bragging to your friends when your kid identifies as an attack helicopter? How about when they proclaim to be a princess? Or a pirate? Or a dragon?

But somehow they are completely serious and not at all irrational when they proclaim to be the opposite sex. You really are that stupid aren't you? You must be one shit parent if you actually have kids to be at that peak level of stupid.

If you have kids I hope they can learn to be a sane adult on their own, because they sure aren't getting it from you.

Dude, we get it. The most important thing in the universe is that you should get to tell other people how you think they should live their own lives. Because, like, only you aren't stupid or something like that.
 

Sonikku

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Im fine with most of your points up until one part: You can't be supportive and not be craming it down your children's throats. They are taught instinctively to mimmick you and do as they are told. When you indicate that what they are doing is correct, they will believe it in full.
I think you can. You can be a straight/cis gender parent and create a neutral living environment to raise a child in and simply allow them to grow into themselves without going out of your way to bias them one way or the other. If they claim to be a girl and insist on wearing girls clothes, you needn't indicate to them that that is correct. Because it may not be. Simply do not deny them if, after laying out what is typical, they still insist otherwise. Without biasing them one way or another, they will eventually either grow out of it or upon reaching puberty age begin to consider if they really are transgender.
 
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Gender dysphoria? Why do any of you freaking care why someone wants to dress and act like the sex opposite of that assigned at birth?

Each and every one of you who has a problem with this should seriously self-reflect and ask what it is about this that really bothers you. It's not affecting you in any way if a Hollywood actress has a child who is transgendered, gender dysmorphic, or whatever the hell you want to call it. Honestly, this question of why they are like this isn't that interesting. More interesting is the question of why any of you gives a damn.

No one is getting surgery before they're an adult. Beyond that, it's none of your business how someone else chooses to raise their child. I'm sure those of you with kids would be none too pleased if Charlize Theron had vocal opinions about how you raised your kids.
 
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I. Dont. Care.

Wtf.

Unless its being shoved down the child-persons throat I cant imagine a scenario I could possibly care?

Let people people god damnit.

Its something the Slows/Pences of the world is having a real hard time about... STAYING TF OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES BUSINESS.

It doesnt concern you. FUCK OFF.
 

SlowSpyder

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I wonder where you heard this before......... Hehe

I know your mighty efforts to be outrageous reward you with laughter at those you offend, but you make me laugh too.


This is how far gone the left is today. You think it is "outrageous" to call a human being with an x and y chromosome in every cell in his body a boy.
 

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I think after billions of years of evolutuon we know what a boy or a girl is at this point. If someone has a penis. They are a boy. If not. A girl. Really simple. That said The only transgender I knew who was before puberty was openly encouraged by his family to be a girl and when he was picked on in school he revered back to a boy. The parents were forced to allow him to be a boy again.
 

cytg111

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This is how far gone the left is today. You think it is "outrageous" to call a human being with an x and y chromosome in every cell in his body a boy.

Again, another IQ test failed.
You are a clown. Some might find you funny. I for one, do not.
 

cytg111

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I think after billions of years of evolutuon we know what a boy or a girl is at this point. If someone has a penis. They are a boy. If not. A girl. Really simple. That said The only transgender I knew who was before puberty was openly encouraged by his family to be a girl and when he was picked on in school he revered back to a boy. The parents were forced to allow him to be a boy again.

After a billion years we stand on the eve of mankind's greatest achievements, for one, the technology to rewrite the very definition of what we are, we command our own genome to the actual letter.
And you fools hold deer opinions on an X and an Y. Are you fucking kidding me? WAKE UP FOOLS.
 

Atreus21

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Gender dysphoria? Why do any of you freaking care why someone wants to dress and act like the sex opposite of that assigned at birth?

Is age also "assigned" at birth? Are the number of chromosomes "assigned"? Can a physician make a Down syndrome child normal by "assignment"?

Biological facts are acknowledged, not assigned.

The left is so far down the path of subjectivity that even scientific fundamentals are a matter of interpretation.
 

cytg111

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The left is so far down the path of subjectivity that even scientific fundamentals are a matter of interpretation.

Whats the difference counting towards religion? Sure, scientifically speaking there is an X and there is an Y and there is no God... in the real world that doesnt stop us from having faith and me respecting your faith, what you believe in. How come you cant respect theirs?
 

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Gender dysphoria? Why do any of you freaking care why someone wants to dress and act like the sex opposite of that assigned at birth?

I find it interesting that children constantly cope with the revelation that life isn't quite as simple as they previously understood, and more or less take it in their stride. Many adults however have a real problem with such revelations.
 

Jaskalas

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Your analogy is stupid. Doctors don't go around performing sexual reassignment surgery at age 3 either. Regardless of what a child says.

It was a quip to wrap up the actual points from the rest of the argument. Censored in that post, and not censored in the follow up after I saw how far down the rabbit hole this topic had gone.

Mine are questions of identity and of existential beliefs. Not to be taken lightly, and if anyone is questioning themselves they probably shouldn't be lead down that thought process. The consequences to the psyche could be quite... severe for someone who has struggled with accepting themselves their entire life. I wouldn't want to do that to anyone, even though there is quite a discussion to be had on the subject.

In short, Gender is a social construct. Gender Dysphoria is a mental misalignment with social expectations. No society, no expectation, no Dysphoria. Therefore, the concept of "transition" is itself just another bow to social expectations. But one that cannot actually be fulfilled. So my conclusion is that people should love themselves, as they were born, and tell society to !@#$ off sans drugs, sans knife.

But again, that's just me.
 

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Biological facts are acknowledged, not assigned.

The left is so far down the path of subjectivity that even scientific fundamentals are a matter of interpretation.

Ah, the standard Atreus21 response where thinks he knows science, but has utterly no clue and wrongfully chastises others because of his ignorance.

What gender is a person with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome? That person can have female external genitalia but the chromosomes are XY.What about 5alpha reductase deficiency, De la Chapelle syndrome, or Swyer Syndrome?

There are many examples of "biological facts" that it is far from the black and white world you want to live in.