Transcript of the speech given by actor Tim Robbins.....and UPDATE!

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NightTrain

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" Our help is needed at community centers to tutor children, to teach them to read. Our work is needed at old-age homes to visit the lonely and infirmed; in gutted neighborhoods to rebuild housing and clean up parks, and convert abandoned lots to baseball fields. I imagined leadership that would take this incredible energy, this generosity of spirit and create a new unity in America born out of the chaos and tragedy of 9/11, a new unity that would send a message to terrorists everywhere: If you attack us, we will become stronger, cleaner, better educated, and more unified. You will strengthen our commitment to justice and democracy by your inhumane attacks on us. Like a Phoenix out of the fire, we will be reborn.

And then came the speech: You are either with us or against us. And the bombing began."

LOL what drivel. Someone murders thousands of our citizens on our soil and terrorists will leave us alone if we clean up some parks.
 
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tcsenter

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Ah yes, where else but the far-flung socialist website 'commondreams.org' would one go to find such tripe?
 
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Mrburns2007

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Originally posted by: NightTrain
" Our help is needed at community centers to tutor children, to teach them to read. Our work is needed at old-age homes to visit the lonely and infirmed; in gutted neighborhoods to rebuild housing and clean up parks, and convert abandoned lots to baseball fields. I imagined leadership that would take this incredible energy, this generosity of spirit and create a new unity in America born out of the chaos and tragedy of 9/11, a new unity that would send a message to terrorists everywhere: If you attack us, we will become stronger, cleaner, better educated, and more unified. You will strengthen our commitment to justice and democracy by your inhumane attacks on us. Like a Phoenix out of the fire, we will be reborn.

And then came the speech: You are either with us or against us. And the bombing began."

LOL what drivel. Someone murders thousands of our citizens on our soil and terrorists will leave us alone if we clean up some parks.
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Terrorist don't mess with countries that have clean parks:)

 
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yowolabi

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Originally posted by: NightTrain
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Great speech. Didn't know he had it in him.
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So you were against any retaliation for 9/11?
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I was totally for finding and arresting Osama Bin Laden and anyone who had anything to do with the attacks.

From what he said in the speech, you have no way of knowing if he feels like me or not because he didn't go that much into it. That's your own interpretation of what he said.

By the way, his speech was about 30 paragraphs long. You quoted less than 1 paragraph, spun it to mean something objectionable, and then called the whole thing drivel.

When I said it was a great speech, I was referring to the whole thing. When you have something that long, if there isn't one or two things you don't totally agree with, you're probably a mindless follower of whoever wrote it. I did agree with the sentiments he was expressing.
 
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yllus

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Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
Originally posted by: NightTrain
" Our help is needed at community centers to tutor children, to teach them to read. Our work is needed at old-age homes to visit the lonely and infirmed; in gutted neighborhoods to rebuild housing and clean up parks, and convert abandoned lots to baseball fields. I imagined leadership that would take this incredible energy, this generosity of spirit and create a new unity in America born out of the chaos and tragedy of 9/11, a new unity that would send a message to terrorists everywhere: If you attack us, we will become stronger, cleaner, better educated, and more unified. You will strengthen our commitment to justice and democracy by your inhumane attacks on us. Like a Phoenix out of the fire, we will be reborn.

And then came the speech: You are either with us or against us. And the bombing began."

LOL what drivel. Someone murders thousands of our citizens on our soil and terrorists will leave us alone if we clean up some parks.
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Terrorist don't mess with countries that have clean parks:)
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"Their imperialism makes me shake with rage, but their clean grass and evenly spaced wastebins fill me with girlish glee"
 
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Originally posted by: yowolabi
Originally posted by: NightTrain
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Great speech. Didn't know he had it in him.
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So you were against any retaliation for 9/11?
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I was totally for finding and arresting Osama Bin Laden and anyone who had anything to do with the attacks.

From what he said in the speech, you have no way of knowing if he feels like me or not because he didn't go that much into it. That's your own interpretation of what he said.

By the way, his speech was about 30 paragraphs long. You quoted less than 1 paragraph, spun it to mean something objectionable, and then called the whole thing drivel.

When I said it was a great speech, I was referring to the whole thing. When you have something that long, if there isn't one or two things you don't totally agree with, you're probably a mindless follower of whoever wrote it. I did agree with the sentiments he was expressing.
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I read the whole speech and feel dumber for having done so.

NightTrain got it right... pure drivel. I'm glad Cooperstown wouldn't let that hippy use the Baseball Hall of Fame for his little pro-Saddam nonsensical ramblings.

Now, let's go clean up a park and show those terrorists what we're made of.
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Originally posted by: NightTrain
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Great speech. Didn't know he had it in him.
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So you were against any retaliation for 9/11?
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We did retaliate against Osama. I think this is more about the current situation and the effects it has on our own country.

 
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NightTrain

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Originally posted by: yowolabiFrom what he said in the speech, you have no way of knowing if he feels like me or not because he didn't go that much into it. That's your own interpretation of what he said. By the way, his speech was about 30 paragraphs long. You quoted less than 1 paragraph, spun it to mean something objectionable, and then called the whole thing drivel.
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His speech started out blaming Bush for attacking Afghanistan instead of celebrating unity and cleaning up some parks. The rest was nothing but whining because people have reacted in a less than positive way to his stupidity.

When I said it was a great speech, I was referring to the whole thing. When you have something that long, if there isn't one or two things you don't totally agree with, you're probably a mindless follower of whoever wrote it. I did agree with the sentiments he was expressing.
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His sentiment can be expressed more succinctly: "Bush is wrong and everything is his fault".

 
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NightTrain

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Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: NightTrain
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Great speech. Didn't know he had it in him.
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So you were against any retaliation for 9/11?
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We did retaliate against Osama.
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Of course we did. Tim Robbins seems to think that was the wrong thing to do.

I think this is more about the current situation and the effects it has on our own country.
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No it isn't. "And then came the speech: You are either with us or against us. And the bombing began."

His meaning is quite clear. We shouldn't not have bombed Afghanistan. We should have celebrated our unity after the attacks and showed any potential terrorists that "You will strengthen our commitment to justice and democracy by your inhumane attacks on us. Like a Phoenix out of the fire, we will be reborn."

All that is a load of horsesh*t when we just dug several thousand dead out of the rubble of the WTC.

 
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NightTrain

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
this part makes me really sick:

A teacher in another nephew's school is fired for wearing a T- shirt with a peace sign on it.
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Anyone got a link to this story? Surely this would have gotten some press somewhere.
 
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jjones

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Most of this speech is garbage, some of it has shades of truth to it, but the part that is really BS during this eulogy to the loss of free speech is when he talks about his friends and associates who are afraid to speak out. They are afraid of repercussions he says.

What they are actually afraid of is money, and the loss of it, from their bottom line. They are free to speak all they want. And people who disagree with them are free to quit lining some celeb's pockets. People are free to quit endorsing them. I guess people like Tim Robbins feel that when the people who don't agree with him choose to act according to their beliefs, well, then they're just trampling all over his right to free speech. Maybe Tim needs to wake up and realize people are not required to put their money where his mouth is.
 
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Originally posted by: flavio
He gave specific examples of repurcussions right?
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You have the right to free speech. The Constitution does not say that there will be no repercussions. You are also responsible for your actions.

 
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NightTrain

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Originally posted by: flavio
He gave specific examples of repurcussions right?
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He said a teacher was fired for wearing a tshirt. I would like to see a link to it.
 
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"Maybe Tim needs to wake up and realize people are not required to put their money where his mouth is."

nice one jjones..

didn't read the article, don't really need to hear some anti-war actor give his view from his myopic world view, the average steel workers opinion is more valid and representative than his....
 
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flavio

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
"Maybe Tim needs to wake up and realize people are not required to put their money where his mouth is."

nice one jjones..

didn't read the article, don't really need to hear some anti-war actor give his view from his myopic world view, the average steel workers opinion is more valid and representative than his....
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You keep that mind closed tight like a clam eh?

 
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