Traitor or hero?

[arsbanned]

Katherine Gun worked as a "language expert" (essentially a spy) at "Britain's Government Communications Headquarters listening station..."
She presumably had a top secret government clearance. That means what you see and hear is...TOP SECRET.
She accidently runs across a document showing American interest in possibly spying on the UN.
Now, regardless of my feelings regarding WHAT she revealed (yeah, what the U.S. was doing should not be done), she's a traitor. She's also a hypocrit since the nature of her job was...SPYING, apparently on the Chinese, since her language specialty is Mandarin.
Thoughts, comments?

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[sandorski]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Katherine Gun worked as a "language expert" (essentially a spy) at "Britain's Government Communications Headquarters listening station..."
She presumably had a top secret government clearance. That means what you see and hear is...TOP SECRET.
She accidently runs across a document showing American interest in possibly spying on the UN.
Now, regardless of my feelings regarding WHAT she revealed (yeah, what the U.S. was doing should not be done), she's a traitor. She's also a hypocrit since the nature of her job was...SPYING, apparently on the Chinese, since her language specialty is Mandarin.
Thoughts, comments?

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Assuming it to be true(that what she leeked is accurate), No she is not a Traitor. Top Secret or not Criminal Activity is Criminal Activity.

 

[Orsorum]

It's only criminal if we're not the ones not doing the wiretapping!

 

[arsbanned]

Tapping into Russian communications was wrong too, but we did it-and if someone involved had divulged it, they would have -correctly-been hung.

Keep in mind I'm not defending the idea of bugging the UN. However, there could be things we're not aware of-and that KG wasn't aware of-that made spilling it to a newspaper a traitorous thing to do.
That's why people have clearances. So they're not sitting there going-gee, should I tell everyone about this or....
Anyway, just my opinion, obviously the lawyers in Britain couldn't bring a case against her....

Also, you guys don't see the irony in her position? She's a spy.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Katherine Gun worked as a "language expert" (essentially a spy) at "Britain's Government Communications Headquarters listening station..."
She presumably had a top secret government clearance. That means what you see and hear is...TOP SECRET.
She accidently runs across a document showing American interest in possibly spying on the UN.
Now, regardless of my feelings regarding WHAT she revealed (yeah, what the U.S. was doing should not be done), she's a traitor. She's also a hypocrit since the nature of her job was...SPYING, apparently on the Chinese, since her language specialty is Mandarin.
Thoughts, comments?

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1. I'm going to split hairs a little bit. Having a Top Secret clearance means you will be exposed to TS information. I know people with TS clearances that have to deal with TS info. twice a year. I also know people who have TS clearances that do nothing more than physically destroy hard drives that had TS info. on them.

2. IMO no one should ever leak any classified info to the public. There are ways to deal with any "issues" that might arise without going public. She admittedly had an agenda and should have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

 

[Moonbeam]

2. IMO no one should ever leak any classified info to the public. There are ways to deal with any "issues" that might arise without going public. She admittedly had an agenda and should have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.


What if those ways are part of the corruption?

 

[ElFenix]

i wonder if the whistleblower law would protect her

 

[tnitsuj]

 

[tnitsuj]

She shouldn't go public with that sort of thing ever, even if thier was some criminal activity involved. Thier should be internal cleared mechanisms to deal with that sort of thing, thier is in the US.

 

[maluckey]

Neither traitor nor hero, just breaking Federal Regulations regarding release of information. With a TS (Top Secret) clearance (or any clearance for that matter), comes the possibility that the person may view classified material. If it is TS classified, neither the information, nor any part theiren may be released to anyone not in the "need to know", and even then, they must have the approproate level of clearance. The release to of the information is NOT covered by any protection. They are open to prosecution if the Government wants it so.

Releasing that information was a stupid thing to do.

 

[Jhhnn]

Unlike my own govt, the Brits have been extremely embarassed by the uber-thin pretext for invasion of Iraq, as well they should be. Gunn's defense strategy would have meant disturbing the skunks in the woodpile all over again, something they'd rather avoid...

Yeh, she broke the law while revealing even more egregious breaches in the law, by her own govt, and mine, too...

At least she'll never have to invoke the common defense used (unsuccessfully) at Nuremberg- "I was just following orders".

 

[chess9]

She's a heroine.

-Robert

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Unlike my own govt, the Brits have been extremely embarassed by the uber-thin pretext for invasion of Iraq, as well they should be. Gunn's defense strategy would have meant disturbing the skunks in the woodpile all over again, something they'd rather avoid...

Yeh, she broke the law while revealing even more egregious breaches in the law, by her own govt, and mine, too...

At least she'll never have to invoke the common defense used (unsuccessfully) at Nuremberg- "I was just following orders".

Exactly. She no doubt broke a Domestic law, but no one is above the Law, even Governments.

 

[arsbanned]

trea·son ( P ) Pronunciation Key (trzn)
n.

1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.

1 has some applications here and 2 certainly does.

Sandorski, you are contradicting yourself. You insist no one is above the law, and then defend her right to be above the law....
?????

What's it going to be, your cake and eat it too?

Also, nobody has commented on the irony of her position as a spy and then revealing the fact that her gov't was going to...SPY.

Hello?