Traffic rule question

NeoPTLD

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Who's right of way?

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The tubular looking things are sidewak.

I'm taking the red path. I go east on a two lane one way road and come to a stop. I had started to make a legal left turn to north.

I was already in the intersection when a guy on a bike comes west on the sidewalk and cross through a crosswalk in blue path(wasn't marked with white stripes although).

He says: "it's a cross walk, I have the right of way"

I say "that's right, it's a cross WALK. You're not a pedestrian."

He was attempting to ride through in my path at above and beyond reasonable "pedestrian pace" and my understanding is that a bicycle is a VEHICLE when it is being ridden.

I'm sure it varies from state to state, although there must be something in common everywhere. This is in State of Oregon.
 

Ness

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I don't even need to read to tell you that pedestrians (bicycles included) ALWAYS have the right of way.

Regardless of what laws they are breaking, or whether they are crossing a major intersection against oncoming traffic.
 

Isshinryu

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As far as I know, when on a bike people have to adhere to the laws of the road, and are not considered pedestrians. Of course, I don't know much...
 

ThisIsMatt

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Your drawing doesn't make much sense...where are the streets? If he was on a street and there's no stop sign, then he had the right of way.
 

NeoPTLD

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Originally posted by: Ness
I don't even need to read to tell you that pedestrians (bicycles included) ALWAYS have the right of way.

I don't know about your state, but here in Oergon, bicycles are considered vehicles which means they can use the road with cars in most cases. They have the same right and obligation. That means they can make a left turn on a protected turn from the road unlike pedestrians and they MUST stop for red and stop signs.

There is no law saying they can pick 'n choose from pedestrian and vehicle codes at their convenience.
 

ThisIsMatt

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Originally posted by: Ness
I don't even need to read to tell you that pedestrians (bicycles included) ALWAYS have the right of way.

Regardless of what laws they are breaking, or whether they are crossing a major intersection against oncoming traffic.
No, bicyclists must follow rules of the road.
 

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Uh yeah, if he didn't have a stop sign, then it doesn't matter if you were already in the intersection. Would it matter if he was in a car? No. Now if he had a stop sign, sounds like you're right.

I don't like his crosswalk reasoning though.
 

NeoPTLD

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Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
Your drawing doesn't make much sense...where are the streets? If he was on a street and there's no stop sign, then he had the right of way.

obviously there was no stop sign for him

First because he was riding through a crosswalk.

Second, because he was riding west on east bound ONE WAY street.
 

boyRacer

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Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
Originally posted by: Ness
I don't even need to read to tell you that pedestrians (bicycles included) ALWAYS have the right of way.

Regardless of what laws they are breaking, or whether they are crossing a major intersection against oncoming traffic.
No, you're a retard. Bicyclists must follow rules of the road.

Originally posted by: Ness
Originally posted by: Roger
Rules of the road

I guess I stand corrected.

In before the edit. :p
 

ThisIsMatt

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Originally posted by: NeoPTLD
Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
Your drawing doesn't make much sense...where are the streets? If he was on a street and there's no stop sign, then he had the right of way.

obviously there was no stop sign for him

First because he was riding through a crosswalk.

Second, because he was riding west on east bound ONE WAY street.
Then you are correct.
 

ThisIsMatt

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Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
Originally posted by: Ness
I don't even need to read to tell you that pedestrians (bicycles included) ALWAYS have the right of way.

Regardless of what laws they are breaking, or whether they are crossing a major intersection against oncoming traffic.
bR, you're a retard. Bicyclists must follow rules of the road.

Originally posted by: Ness
Originally posted by: Roger
Rules of the road

I guess I stand corrected.

In before the edit. :p
Takes talent, huh? See sig, last line.
 

boyRacer

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Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
Originally posted by: Ness
I don't even need to read to tell you that pedestrians (bicycles included) ALWAYS have the right of way.

Regardless of what laws they are breaking, or whether they are crossing a major intersection against oncoming traffic.
bR, you're a retard. Bicyclists must follow rules of the road.

Originally posted by: Ness
Originally posted by: Roger
Rules of the road

I guess I stand corrected.

In before the edit. :p
Takes talent, huh? See sig, last line.

:Q
 

mechBgon

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Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
Originally posted by: Ness
I don't even need to read to tell you that pedestrians (bicycles included) ALWAYS have the right of way.

Regardless of what laws they are breaking, or whether they are crossing a major intersection against oncoming traffic.
No, bicyclists must follow rules of the road.
Excuse me. In the United States, people must follow rules of the road. Their vehicle is about as relevant as their ethnicity. Which is to say, not at all. In my state, legal code states that people have the same rights and duties on the road whether using a bicycle or a motor vehicle. Above our state laws, there is the Uniform Vehicle Code of the United States.

Now about your question, NeoPTLD. I think if you examine Portland's city code, the other person is probably not allowed to drive his bicycle on the sidewalk to start with, assuming you were in a business district (although I realize Portland is a little different in how they do that :D). If this were a two-way street and he were operating vehicularly (in the traffic lane), then you would yield to him. If he had been actually a pedestrian (walking or even running with his bike) then again you would yield to him by law. Being on a bicycle on crosswalks and sidewalks, even where legal, does NOT qualify for the privileges of a pedestrian in my state, and probably not in yours either.

That being said, if you see him coming and deliberately put your vehicle in his path anyway, even if you are technically right, then you might want to ask yourself why you chose to do that. Not a good practice to set yourself up for an accident simply because you're technically in the right.

As an editorial remark from a guy who commutes by bicycle summer and winter:

It really is remarkable that people cannot see past the vehicle, to see the person who is their legal equal and who bears the same rights, slower vehicle or not. But no... :roll: instead of "oh look, there's another guy heading home after a hard day at work, just like I am," instead they say "what is that damn bicycle doing in my way?! :| I almost spilled my latte!" At the same time, it's rare to see cyclists actually hold up their end of the deal by driving lawfully and predictably. No wonder our reputation is as bad as it is.
 

Kelemvor

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In WI it's technically illegal to ride your bike on the sidewalk. Bikes are considered vehicles when they are being ridden which means they need to stop at stop signs and obey all other traffic signals.

Now if the person was walking his bike, then he's a pedestrian.

Actually it's the same for rollerblading too. If you go across a street when you have a don't walk sign, it's not jay walking, it's running a red light.

So end result, bike was illegal and if you're riding/driving illegally, you can't possibly have the right of way.
 

ThisIsMatt

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Originally posted by: mechBgon
Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
Originally posted by: Ness
I don't even need to read to tell you that pedestrians (bicycles included) ALWAYS have the right of way.

Regardless of what laws they are breaking, or whether they are crossing a major intersection against oncoming traffic.
No, bicyclists must follow rules of the road.
Excuse me. In the United States, people must follow rules of the road. Their vehicle is about as relevant as their ethnicity. Which is to say, not at all. In my state, legal code states that people have the same rights and duties on the road whether using a bicycle or a motor vehicle. Above our state laws, there is the Uniform Vehicle Code of the United States.

Now about your question, NeoPTLD. I think if you examine Portland's city code, the other person is probably not allowed to drive his bicycle on the sidewalk to start with, assuming you were in a business district (although I realize Portland is a little different in how they do that :D). If this were a two-way street and he were operating vehicularly (in the traffic lane), then you would yield to him. If he had been actually a pedestrian (walking or even running with his bike) then again you would yield to him by law. Being on a bicycle on crosswalks and sidewalks, even where legal, does NOT qualify for the privileges of a pedestrian in my state, and probably not in yours either.

That being said, if you see him coming and deliberately put your vehicle in his path anyway, even if you are technically right, then you might want to ask yourself why you chose to do that. Not a good practice to set yourself up for an accident simply because you're technically in the right.

As an editorial remark from a guy who commutes by bicycle summer and winter:

It really is remarkable that people cannot see past the vehicle, to see the person who is their legal equal and who bears the same rights, slower vehicle or not. But no... :roll: instead of "oh look, there's another guy heading home after a hard day at work, just like I am," instead they say "what is that damn bicycle doing in my way?! :| I almost spilled my latte!" At the same time, it's rare to see cyclists actually hold up their end of the deal by driving lawfully and predictably. No wonder our reputation is as bad as it is.
Yes, please do excuse yourself, as the rules of the road do not apply to pedestrians. So what exactly was your effing point?
 

mechBgon

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Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
Originally posted by: mechBgon
Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
Originally posted by: Ness
I don't even need to read to tell you that pedestrians (bicycles included) ALWAYS have the right of way.

Regardless of what laws they are breaking, or whether they are crossing a major intersection against oncoming traffic.
No, bicyclists must follow rules of the road.
Excuse me. In the United States, people must follow rules of the road. Their vehicle is about as relevant as their ethnicity. Which is to say, not at all. In my state, legal code states that people have the same rights and duties on the road whether using a bicycle or a motor vehicle. Above our state laws, there is the Uniform Vehicle Code of the United States.

Now about your question, NeoPTLD. I think if you examine Portland's city code, the other person is probably not allowed to drive his bicycle on the sidewalk to start with, assuming you were in a business district (although I realize Portland is a little different in how they do that :D). If this were a two-way street and he were operating vehicularly (in the traffic lane), then you would yield to him. If he had been actually a pedestrian (walking or even running with his bike) then again you would yield to him by law. Being on a bicycle on crosswalks and sidewalks, even where legal, does NOT qualify for the privileges of a pedestrian in my state, and probably not in yours either.

That being said, if you see him coming and deliberately put your vehicle in his path anyway, even if you are technically right, then you might want to ask yourself why you chose to do that. Not a good practice to set yourself up for an accident simply because you're technically in the right.

As an editorial remark from a guy who commutes by bicycle summer and winter:

It really is remarkable that people cannot see past the vehicle, to see the person who is their legal equal and who bears the same rights, slower vehicle or not. But no... :roll: instead of "oh look, there's another guy heading home after a hard day at work, just like I am," instead they say "what is that damn bicycle doing in my way?! :| I almost spilled my latte!" At the same time, it's rare to see cyclists actually hold up their end of the deal by driving lawfully and predictably. No wonder our reputation is as bad as it is.
Yes, please do excuse yourself, as the rules of the road do not apply to pedestrians. So what exactly was your effing point?
The rules of the road apply to pedestrians just as they apply to any other class of road users. But if you're implying that the person driving the bicycle is a pedestrian, then you'd better check your state's traffic code.
 

mechBgon

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Hmm, that was easy: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21200.htm

21200. (a) Every person riding a bicycle upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle by this division, including, but not limited to, provisions concerning driving under the influence of alcoholic beverages or drugs, and by Division 10 (commencing with Section 20000), Section 27400, Division 16.7 (commencing with Section 39000), Division 17 (commencing with Section 40000.1), and Division 18 (commencing with Section 42000), except those provisions which by their very nature can have no application.
 

ThisIsMatt

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Originally posted by: mechBgon
Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
Originally posted by: mechBgon
Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
Originally posted by: Ness
I don't even need to read to tell you that pedestrians (bicycles included) ALWAYS have the right of way.

Regardless of what laws they are breaking, or whether they are crossing a major intersection against oncoming traffic.
No, bicyclists must follow rules of the road.
Excuse me. In the United States, people must follow rules of the road. Their vehicle is about as relevant as their ethnicity. Which is to say, not at all. In my state, legal code states that people have the same rights and duties on the road whether using a bicycle or a motor vehicle. Above our state laws, there is the Uniform Vehicle Code of the United States.

Now about your question, NeoPTLD. I think if you examine Portland's city code, the other person is probably not allowed to drive his bicycle on the sidewalk to start with, assuming you were in a business district (although I realize Portland is a little different in how they do that :D). If this were a two-way street and he were operating vehicularly (in the traffic lane), then you would yield to him. If he had been actually a pedestrian (walking or even running with his bike) then again you would yield to him by law. Being on a bicycle on crosswalks and sidewalks, even where legal, does NOT qualify for the privileges of a pedestrian in my state, and probably not in yours either.

That being said, if you see him coming and deliberately put your vehicle in his path anyway, even if you are technically right, then you might want to ask yourself why you chose to do that. Not a good practice to set yourself up for an accident simply because you're technically in the right.

As an editorial remark from a guy who commutes by bicycle summer and winter:

It really is remarkable that people cannot see past the vehicle, to see the person who is their legal equal and who bears the same rights, slower vehicle or not. But no... :roll: instead of "oh look, there's another guy heading home after a hard day at work, just like I am," instead they say "what is that damn bicycle doing in my way?! :| I almost spilled my latte!" At the same time, it's rare to see cyclists actually hold up their end of the deal by driving lawfully and predictably. No wonder our reputation is as bad as it is.
Yes, please do excuse yourself, as the rules of the road do not apply to pedestrians. So what exactly was your effing point?
The rules of the road apply to pedestrians just as they apply to any other class of road users. But if you're implying that the person driving the bicycle is a pedestrian, then you'd better check your state's traffic code.
What exactly are you getting at? I said bicyclists must follow the rules of the road. Maybe not where you're from, but "rules of the road" generally refers to driving, so saying "rules of the road" apply to a bicyclist infers that a bicyclist has to follow the same rules as someone who is driving. You, on the other hand, said "people" must follow the rules of the road, in which I disagree because "people" aren't necessarily driving.