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TR Slams ATI on Availability
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It's obvious the persons writing the review do not understand how transportation and inventory systems work...just another computer nerd talking trash.
That article is retarded. They claim that the 7900 GTX is available from Newegg and go check for yourself. :roll:
The x1800gto is a stop gap solution. I expect Ati to transition to the r580 core completely in the coming months, so that rumor of the x1900gto is most likely true.
WelshBloke
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I'm guessing that your not posting this from your disapointment in not being able to buy said cards.
I'm thinking this is just another episode in the pointless vid card bickering and trolling series.
And what is the point of an 513mb x1800xl when the x1800xt's are so cheap
Golgatha
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Yeap, just awful I tell you :roll:. The X1800XT selling for what that chart lists for a X1800XL and the X1900 series selling below MSRP. I do agree that Crossfire Master card support could use a shot in the arm.
He's pretty easy on the 7900GT and 7900GTX too considering they've not been available at MSRP since about 2 weeks after launch.
5150Joker
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I'd much rather wait on a sparsely available card than have to deal with nVidia's subpar needle in your eye AF.
Come on, it's not THAT bad. And anyway, ATi has MUCH better availability than nVidia. Find me a store where 5-6 7900GTX's are in stock, and then we'll talk. You can get an X1900 anywhere, but 7900? No.
ATI doesn't need the X1800XL, they have the X1800XT (256MB or 512MB) which is faster and can be found cheaper, I'm really not sure what the authors point is who cares if the X1800XL is unavailable when you can find a better card for cheaper.
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Those needles are called "details" something ATI's AF leaves out to get better performance.
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33849418
After they remove the details, their AA blurs the image so it's easier on your poor eyes.
ATI could move the X1800XL to the $200 if they wanted to do that. That's what I'd do at least rather than totally throw the thing off the shelf. An X1800XL for $200 would be a pretty good deal, also, IMO.
akugami
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You hit the nail right on the head. The OP is an admitted nVidia fanboy and a troll so I don't even know why he's posting this as he's never going to buy an ATI card anyways.
Now, to be honest, it's pretty disappointing for ATI to be announcing this card and it's close to 3 weeks before it's suppose to be available. I really feel as competitive as the GPU industry is and the direction it was moving towards I had hoped that most product announcements would be about products available in one week at the most. Disappointing that it's not. However, most of the people doing the whining are usually fanboys who would never buy the cards in the first place. And this goes both ways btw, and not just aimed at the nVidia fanboys. I've seen the ATI fanboys do it as well.
If we really wanted to be anal about things, lots of industries can be said to paper launch products. Heck, Nokia has announced their N80 so long ago for launch in Q1'06 and it's still not out. I've been wanting this phone too. Let's all post many threads on Nokia paper launches. Game consoles are usually announced anywhere from 3 to 6 months ahead of times. Let's all post more threads at Sony, Nintendo and MS for paper launching consoles. Vista has been announced years in advance. Let's all post more threads screaming about MS's OS paper launches. Or how about Apple's paper launches?
At some point, constant screaming about paper launches gets tiring and pointless. If a company wants to tarnish it's own image with paper launches and bad products, let it. Constantly harping on it is just plain tiring. Like I said, I'm pretty tired of the delays in the Nokia N80, a phone I wanted to buy, and I'm just about to just say F it and buy a different phone.
I've stated this in another thread but the bottom line is if you weren't going to buy the card in question, why do you care if it's a paper launch or not?
Wreckage if you read that thread they come to the conclusion that the issue is the draw distance is set lower on ATI cards and a simple edit of the cfg file will fix it, it has nothing to do with HQAF.
5150Joker
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Big deal you found a driver bug in an SP game that 99% of people have already finished: http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p=1334251360&postcount=37 I'd rather deal with a driver bug that is easily remedied than be stuck with permanent hardware limited subpar AF like the 7800/7900 series have. Not to mention having an old architecture that needs emergency bug ridden beta drivers just to prevent slideshow framerates in newer shader heavy games like Oblivion and FEAR - too bad they come at the cost of OpenGL performance. nVidia: Subpar AF + emergency release drivers needed for a subpar architecture. It's quite a win for ATi when a hardcore troll like you can only find one bug that is easily fixed vs. nVidia's known architectural flaws that lead to subpar IQ and poor performance in shader games that require special drivers.
Then if I was ATI, I would just throw out the X1800GTO. I don't know why the companies can't just use the older high end cards for the new midrange parts or something and not spend the money on R&D for making the new midrange parts. I mean like, the X850XT was last generation's high end card and it's now very popular now since it's at $150-170 at www.newegg.com
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I did not write the article. Although your reply in this topic is trolling.
Again, I did not write the article. My posting of it is because ATI fanboys like you seem to be calling out how available ATI is these days.
As opposed to Farcry which is even older and needs a beta patch to do HDR+AA. Funny, never saw you jump all over that issue in the various threads about it.
Then don't buy a X1800.
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It's funny how you can ignore the heat, noise, power suckage, bloated drivers, subpar AA, limited warranty, Terrible opengl + Linux support of your card and yet still troll. :roll:
I did not write the article. They make a valid point. I'm just using it as a counterpoint to many statements made in other threads.
LOL, this is just hilarious. Let's see all the bad stuff about the x1900xtx:
Heat - dont's care
Noise - I got a vf900 on the way, it's about to get even quieter than the 7900gtx. I usually replace the stock coolers in all my cards and OC.
power suckage - dont care
bloated drivers - only CCC is bloated. Replace CCC with ATT, problem solved
Subpar AA - Nv's making all the alpha textures extra thick is not a superior feature
Limited warranty - dont care, I mostly buy OEM parts
Terrible OpenGL - about as terrible as Nv's DX9. DX9 just happens to be more widely used than OpenGL
Linux support - dont care
Not to mention newer feature set, better IQ, faster single card performance... the things that actually matter.
Heat - dont's care
Noise - I got a vf900 on the way, it's about to get even quieter than the 7900gtx. I usually replace the stock coolers in all my cards and OC.
power suckage - dont care
bloated drivers - only CCC is bloated. Replace CCC with ATT, problem solved
Subpar AA - Nv's making all the alpha textures extra thick is not a superior feature
Limited warranty - dont care, I mostly buy OEM parts
Terrible OpenGL - about as terrible as Nv's DX9. DX9 just happens to be more widely used than OpenGL
Linux support - dont care
Not to mention newer feature set, better IQ, faster single card performance... the things that actually matter.
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Well it sounds like the card could just about spit on you and you would not care. Some people have higher standards.
As for IQ and performance that varies by the game and if your willing to sacrifice all that for a few games.....a fool and his money are soon parted.
I think the X1800GTO, like the X800GTO and GTO2 is to clear out the surplus R520 cores. The big question will be if the disabled quad in the X1800GTO will be possible to re-enable (like on the GTO2). If so, ATI's got a hit in the making, if not, it's not so hot...
akugami
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Uhh...no, I'm not constantly harping about the availability of the X1900. If you can prove me constantly doing so then show the many threads where I do so. Otherwise, it's just another one of your baseless claims which you can't back up.
For you to be calling someone else a fanboy is laughable. I'm relatively fair in my assessment of both companies though I do lean towards ATI. I don't make that a secret. However unlike you, I don't constantly start threads about the shortcomings of nVidia nor do I do so about ATI. I don't bash ATI in an nVidia discussion thread and I don't bash nVidia in an ATI discussion thread. I don't use out of context quotes to belittle others because I have no intelligent response. My stated mission on these forums are not to rile up fans of another company's video cards.
It's just funny you keep calling me a fanboy, especially in another thread in which my first post was in defense of nVidia. Even funnier was you took the opportunity to bash ATI when it was a discussion about nVidia only and until you butted your nose into the thread, it was free of the usually fanboy head butting.
Regardless, the X1800GTO is a better deal than the 7600GT. When you start applying AA/AF the 7600GT's 128-Bit MI is just going to keel over on you.
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