[TR] FreeSync monitors will sample next month, start selling next year

[NTMBK]

http://techreport.com/news/26919/freesync-monitors-will-sample-next-month-start-selling-next-year

 

[ShintaiDK]

So much for the BS. So now people have to choose between regular, gsync or freesync.

Not to mention the GPU requirement:

The AMD Radeon™ R9 295X2, 290X, R9 290, R7 260X and R7 260 GPUs additionally feature updated display controllers that will support dynamic refresh rates during gaming.

 

[Mand]

So much for the BS.

The only BS is what comes out of Huddy's mouth. He has lied so many times about it he has precisely zero credibility. I guess he did manage to contradict some of AMD's earlier statements with this, and one would think they can't both be wrong, yes?

I'll believe it when they actually show it, and not a moment before.

There is no "regular" by the way - there is only ever G-Sync and (maybe) FreeSync. There is no GPU-independent solution, no matter how much people would like you to think that a VESA spec makes all our problems go away. It was always going to be proprietary, for both camps, and a display capable of one won't automatically be capable of doing the other. At least AMD's owning up to it though, even though they're going to pretend they never said anything different.

It'd be nice if they gave some rationale for the $10-20 number, though. Everything that third parties have ever said has indicated that it would take significant hardware development, and even AMD itself said the whole point was to spur that development. If it is something quick and cheap, why the need for spurs?


Also, I take issue with TR saying this:

"Like the rest of the standard—and unlike G-Sync—this "Adaptive-Sync" feature is royalty-free."

There is no evidence whatsoever that Nvidia is charging royalties for G-Sync. Yes, it's proprietary, but that doesn't mean they're charging royalty fees. Being proprietary because they don't want to, as Nvidia put it, "do (AMD)'s job for them" is a very different thing from charging royalty fees to those who want to implement the technology in monitors. It's not in Nvidia's interest to nickle-and-dime display manufacturers, it's in their interest to get G-Sync in as many products as they possibly can. And given how much engineering time and development money they're putting into helping display OEMs integrate G-Sync, it makes no sense to turn around and charge them fees.

Just because AMD makes a big hoot about not charging fees does not mean that Nvidia is charging fees.

 

[MisterLilBig]

At the moment you need an NV card/chip to use G-Sync. Why complain about pushing this feature to the rest of the world? This benefits even Intel, just not NV.

 

[Abwx]

Not to mention the GPU requirement:

More precisely :

Radeon R9 290X, 290, R7 260X et 260

APU Kaveri, Kabini, Temash, Beema et Mullins

http://www.hardware.fr/news/13841/freesync-limite-gcn-1-0.html

 

[richaron]

Not to mention the GPU requirement: *snip*

Ermmm. Yes. The GPU needs to support DisplayPort 1.2a (or the pertinant subset). I think that's obvious. Are you trying to shame GPU companies out of following the latest standards...?

It'd be nice if they gave some rationale for the $10-20 number, though. Everything that third parties have ever said has indicated that it would take significant hardware development, and even AMD itself said the whole point was to spur that development. If it is something quick and cheap, why the need for spurs?

Yes, "significant hardware development" can lead to $10-20 B.O.M. on a product (including R&D recoup). See: everything electronic with a $10-20 BOM.

 

[Leadbox]

There is no "regular" by the way - there is only ever G-Sync and (maybe) FreeSync. There is no GPU-independent solution, no matter how much people would like you to think that a VESA spec makes all our problems go away. It was always going to be proprietary, for both camps, and a display capable of one won't automatically be capable of doing the other. At least AMD's owning up to it though, even though they're going to pretend they never said anything different.

Where and when was anything claimed to be GPU independent?
I also think you have your vesa adaptive sync and amd freesync tied up and confused, one is the open non-proprietary one and the other is radeon hardware and catalyst software.

 

[sontin]

So, some unannounced products are sampled next month.

Funny, how AMD is trying to avoid any mentions of their "partners" while nVidia was very open about them.

 

[monstercameron]

So, some unannounced products are sampled next month.

Funny, how AMD is trying to avoid any mentions of their "partners" while nVidia was very open about them.

different products require different marketing strats, don't see the point of this comment.

 

[jackstar7]

So, some unannounced products are sampled next month.

Funny, how AMD is trying to avoid any mentions of their "partners" while nVidia was very open about them.

What's funny about it?

 

[sontin]

AMD talks about it as it would be real. But up to now no company announced a real public statement that they will support Adaptive-Sync.

It's like talking about a new API which is used by 75 studios right now, when even one of their first partners cant bring the Mantle API to the market within 6 weeks. Oh wait...

 

[monstercameron]

AMD talks about it as it would be real. But up to now no company announced a real public statement that they will support Adaptive-Sync.

It's like talking about a new API which have is used by 75 studios right now, when even one of their first partners cant bring the Mantle API to the market within 6 weeks. Oh wait...

yea, because designing games are so easy, especially a low level 3d engine with a beta api.

 

[sontin]

You mean like Freesync?

"Easy" is talk. Asus showed the ROG G-Sync monitor at CES - 8 months before the launch. AMD cant even announce a partner 6-8 months before the launch.

Every month there is a new "Huddy" update about everything. But the reality is that nothing exists - like Mantle and Sniper Elite v3.

 

[jackstar7]

AMD talks about it as it would be real. But up to now no company announced a real public statement that they will support Adaptive-Sync.

It's like talking about a new API which is used by 75 studios right now, when even one of their first partners cant bring the Mantle API to the market within 6 weeks. Oh wait...

So you are supposing that when this is developed no one will actually make monitors with this feature, because none have made an announcement about it.

That's quite an insight.

You mean like Freesync?

"Easy" is talk. Asus showed the ROG G-Sync monitor at CES - 8 months before the launch. AMD cant even announce a partner 6-8 months before the launch.

Every month there is a new "Huddy" update about everything. But the reality is that nothing exists - like Mantle and Sniper Elite v3.

AMD hasn't announced any partners. You saying "can't" is speculation at best.

What do you stand to gain from this being vaporware? Do you win something?

Warning issued for inflammatory language.
-- stahlhart

 

[richaron]

AMD talks about it as it would be real. But up to now no company announced a real public statement that they will support Adaptive-Sync.

It's like talking about a new API which is used by 75 studios right now, when even one of their first partners cant bring the Mantle API to the market within 6 weeks. Oh wait...

Sure, because using Mantle is the same as complying with future display standards :thumbsup:

And there would be more than a handful of companies developing scaling chips or controllers for monitors...

 

[BrightCandle]

If we have samples of monitors next month I would have expected some details of what was expected to be coming. If nothing else the marketing is odd. We still haven't seen Freesync working, its only ever been shown on a fixed frame rate and we don't really know what "sampling" means. It could be another Catleap monitor but with software that allows changing frame rate (ie AMD has their side of this working now) or it could be genuine products that are pre production.

 

[96Firebird]

Can't wait to see a proper demo!

 

[jackstar7]

Can't wait to see a proper demo!

Agreed.

Considering how infrequently people tend to purchase a new monitor, I'd love to see more compelling reasons to consider a monitor when "upgrading" other components.

 

[96Firebird]

Considering how infrequently people tend to purchase a new monitor, I'd love to see more compelling reasons to consider a monitor when "upgrading" other components.

Definitely. I've been rocking the same 22" 1680x1050 Acer monitor that I got open box (display model) from Circuit City back in 2007. I've been debating getting a new one for a while now, but nothing is really wrong with the one I have now. I expect the next one I purchase to last me just as long...

 

[sontin]

So you are supposing that when this is developed no one will actually make monitors with this feature, because none have made an announcement about it.

That's quite an insight.

No.
I said that there is no announcement of any Adaptive V-Sync product from any company while AMD claims that "partners" will sample next month. If they sample they have products. Why would they not announce them? :hmm:

What do you stand to gain from this being vaporware? Do you win something?

I gain nothing from it. It's not my fault that Freesync has written Vaporware all over it.
For me it is obvious that AMD will bring montly "nonsense" updates about anything without any proof. Rebellion announced Mantle support in November 2013 for Sniper Elite v3. They even said that the Mantle patch will come within 4 weeks after the release - still MIA.

Oh and Dave Baumann said in the Techreport comments again that G-Sync introduces additional lag. Why would anyone believe in such people who are repeating their lies after they got corrected?

 

[jackstar7]

No.
I said that there is no announcement of any Adaptive V-Sync product from any company while AMD claims that "partners" will sample next month. If they sample they have products. Why would they not announce them? :hmm:

I gain nothing from it. It's not my fault that Freesync has written Vaporware all over it.
For me it is obvious that AMD will bring montly "nonsense" updates about anything without any proof. Rebellion announced Mantle support in November 2013 for Sniper Elite v3. They even said that the Mantle patch will come within 4 weeks after the release - still MIA.

I'm sure I'm misreading your tone here. There's simply no way you're actually that hostile towards a computer hardware company. I'm just reading it wrong.

 

[Mand]

I'm sure I'm misreading your tone here. There's simply no way you're actually that hostile towards a computer hardware company. I'm just reading it wrong.

I'm hostile toward anyone who lies to me and thinks I'm too dumb to notice.

 

[3DVagabond]

It's almost like all these people hating think it is going to stop it from happening. It's coming whether the detractors like it or not.

 

[richaron]

I said that there is no announcement of any Adaptive V-Sync product from any company while AMD claims that "partners" will sample next month. If they sample they have products. Why would they not announce them?

Has anyone announced support for Directx 12 yet? What about 13? 14? To assume they are not going to support a standard seems stupid to me.

It's in their own interest to support current & future standards. AMD doesn't need to bribe anyone, nor name names. Even if name dropping does impress some of you so..

 

[ShintaiDK]

Huddy reminds me of John Fruehe. Its the same about FirePro and Mantle.

A number of software vendors, some of which are "not small," are already on board. Huddy was reluctant to name names, but he sounded very pleased.

All these secret companies he cant mention again.