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Toyota's solution to the mat problem

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Originally posted by: brblx
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Bravo Toyota, Bravo. This has to be the laziest recall fix I've ever heard about.

:laugh:
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there was the ford fix where a problem with wiring fires was addressed by putting a fusible link in line, rather than actually fixxing what was causing the circuit to overload. that tops my list.
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Oh man, a recall on a recall would be priceless.

 
Idiot solution for Idiot's problem. What if you get a coke bottle stuck in the pedal... recall diet cokes?
 
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: BassBomb
My family has an ES350. I am sure it will work. You'd have to pass it through hole before hooking the holes down though
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So as a Lexus owner you're OK with the solution to this problem being some ugly cheap zip ties?
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I have an IS250 and am not taking it in for this if we get a notification on it. If they put the zip ties on I'll be clipping them off.
 
Originally posted by: mwmorph
It's too bad companies can't just tell people having problems that problem exists between steering wheel and chair.

Also I hear so much crap about the IS-F exhaust. You know who else uses those designs? Bugatti Veyron. Lamborghini Murcielago. Audi R8. Mazdaspeed 6. Any sort of design element exhaust tip requires it to be built that way. I guess haters will hate though.
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You can add Ferrari to that list... both the California and the 458

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/1069/63600454.jpg
 
Originally posted by: halik
Idiot solution for Idiot's problem. What if you get a coke bottle stuck in the pedal... recall diet cokes?
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I agree. This is a non-issue. People are getting dumber.
 
Originally posted by: halik
Idiot solution for Idiot's problem.
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This.

Reminds me of that episode of Seinfeld where Jerry is supposed to buy back his father's Cadillac from Jack Klompus, but Jack somehow drove it into a swamp.

"It drove itself into the swamp!!"
 
Originally posted by: reallyscrued
Originally posted by: halik
Idiot solution for Idiot's problem.
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This.

Reminds me of that episode of Seinfeld where Jerry is supposed to buy back his father's Cadillac from Jack Klompus, but Jack somehow drove it into a swamp.

"It drove itself into the swamp!!"
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Btw, OP:

This belongs in the recall thread. Not sure why this warrants a thread of its own.
 
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: BassBomb
My family has an ES350. I am sure it will work. You'd have to pass it through hole before hooking the holes down though
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So as a Lexus owner you're OK with the solution to this problem being some ugly cheap zip ties?
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I said that?

No, I was just slightly improving on their terrible idea.
 
Customer, "I just paid $85,000 for this Lexus and I heard there is a recall on the floormats. People got killed and they are not safe."

Dealer, "Yes, there is a recall on the OEM floormats. We have a fix in place for this, but you have a couple choices. We can zip-tie the floormats for free, or you can opt for the 'self-locking nylon strips' for extreme strength and safety. This option is only $300 and we will replace the nylon strips for only $50 whenever you need them re-done. You can opt for the 'lifetime' nylon strip package for only $500, and includes unlimited replacements for the self-locking nylon strips."

Customer, "The lifetime option sounds good. Can I get that with your $200 oil change as well?"

Dealer, "Sure. We would be glad to assist you."
 
Sounds like someone can make a killing making aftermarket clips that lock the carpet in place. Those plastic clips couldn't cost $.50 to produce. I'm sure people would pay $10 to be zip tie free.
 
yeah, you could probably make some little clips that rivet to the floor or something that would be 100x better.

but then, in addition to parts cost, they'd have to pay the dealer techs more than .1 hours to do the fix. on over three million cars. it's all a money thing.
 
This is the beginning of the end... The machines are taking over and slowly killing the retarded that can't figure out how to shift into neutral in a situation like that.


I understand the panic situation but wtf. The accelerator sticks - my very first instant thought is neutral. Not even getting into putting my foot under the pedal..

Hell - it takes a good 15 seconds to connect a call through to 911 like that. Exception is if that car won't allow you to shift into N or something but otherwise... RIP to the friends/family though
 
Originally posted by: brblx
yeah, you could probably make some little clips that rivet to the floor or something that would be 100x better.

but then, in addition to parts cost, they'd have to pay the dealer techs more than .1 hours to do the fix. on over three million cars. it's all a money thing.
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Yeah uh too bad toyota already did that.. All the cars that are affected by the recall just so happen to have the tie down anchors, problem is nobody uses them.
 
yeah uh too bad those are plastic clips that don't solidly attach to the floor.

i wouldn't expect you to know what a rivet is. go inflate your tires.
 
Originally posted by: brblx
yeah uh too bad those are plastic clips that don't solidly attach to the floor.

i wouldn't expect you to know what a rivet is. go inflate your tires.
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Who the hell are you? First of all, those things are PLENTY sufficient, in all the cases where I've seen the mat crawl up, the anchors were still attached to the floor and the mat was never on them and since the anchors are designed like a fish hook, I don't really believe that the mats got disconnected from the anchors simply because the anchors don't do a good enough job of grabbing onto the mats. Anchors work FINE when you use them, problem is a lot of people don't use them because they don't know any better or are too lazy. The point of the zipties is to supplant the anchors by ALWAYS being attached and aren't able to be removed w/o removing the zipties which is a lot different than the anchors where you're still able to remove the mat when you want to.


So much hostility, how about YOU go inflate your tires to sidewall and try to save some gas in the process.
 
Originally posted by: fleabag
Originally posted by: brblx
yeah uh too bad those are plastic clips that don't solidly attach to the floor.

i wouldn't expect you to know what a rivet is. go inflate your tires.
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Who the hell are you? First of all, those things are PLENTY sufficient, in all the cases where I've seen the mat crawl up, the anchors were still attached to the floor and the mat was never on them and since the anchors are designed like a fish hook, I don't really believe that the mats got disconnected from the anchors simply because the anchors don't do a good enough job of grabbing onto the mats. Anchors work FINE when you use them, problem is a lot of people don't use them because they don't know any better or are too lazy. The point of the zipties is to supplant the anchors by ALWAYS being attached and aren't able to be removed w/o removing the zipties which is a lot different than the anchors where you're still able to remove the mat when you want to.


So much hostility, how about YOU go inflate your tires to sidewall and try to save some gas in the process.
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If its a hook it would come unhooked as soon as the mat shifted back less than an inch.
 
Originally posted by: Bignate603
Originally posted by: fleabag
Originally posted by: brblx
yeah uh too bad those are plastic clips that don't solidly attach to the floor.

i wouldn't expect you to know what a rivet is. go inflate your tires.
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Who the hell are you? First of all, those things are PLENTY sufficient, in all the cases where I've seen the mat crawl up, the anchors were still attached to the floor and the mat was never on them and since the anchors are designed like a fish hook, I don't really believe that the mats got disconnected from the anchors simply because the anchors don't do a good enough job of grabbing onto the mats. Anchors work FINE when you use them, problem is a lot of people don't use them because they don't know any better or are too lazy. The point of the zipties is to supplant the anchors by ALWAYS being attached and aren't able to be removed w/o removing the zipties which is a lot different than the anchors where you're still able to remove the mat when you want to.


So much hostility, how about YOU go inflate your tires to sidewall and try to save some gas in the process.
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If its a hook it would come unhooked as soon as the mat shifted back less than an inch.
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Yes that's true, however in most cases, the reason why it gets unhooked is because the passenger removes the mat to clean it and when they're done they just lay the mat flat against the floor without bothering to reattach the hooks. The reason why the hooks are like that is because in 99% of circumstances, people are pushing on the mat towards the front of the car and not pulling back on it. Most of the movement of the mat is restricted by the rubber spikes on the bottom of the mat so rearward movement is extremely unlikely.
 
Originally posted by: Bignate603
Originally posted by: fleabag
Originally posted by: brblx
yeah uh too bad those are plastic clips that don't solidly attach to the floor.

i wouldn't expect you to know what a rivet is. go inflate your tires.
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Who the hell are you? First of all, those things are PLENTY sufficient, in all the cases where I've seen the mat crawl up, the anchors were still attached to the floor and the mat was never on them and since the anchors are designed like a fish hook, I don't really believe that the mats got disconnected from the anchors simply because the anchors don't do a good enough job of grabbing onto the mats. Anchors work FINE when you use them, problem is a lot of people don't use them because they don't know any better or are too lazy. The point of the zipties is to supplant the anchors by ALWAYS being attached and aren't able to be removed w/o removing the zipties which is a lot different than the anchors where you're still able to remove the mat when you want to.


So much hostility, how about YOU go inflate your tires to sidewall and try to save some gas in the process.
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If its a hook it would come unhooked as soon as the mat shifted back less than an inch.
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It can't in the ES350. It takes extreme prying with your hands bending the mat to get that mat off the hooks... It was terribly hard to clean

edit: shouldn't say it can't, but it took a great deal of force to get it off
 
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