Toyota's solution to the mat problem

[zoiks]

Nice solution Toyota. Why not use duct tape.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/1...oormats-tie-them-down/

 

[Strk]

They're nylon self-locking wire ties! 😉

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: Strk
They're nylon self-locking wire ties! 😉

Analagous to the Hybrid synergy drive or perhaps the exhaust dissipators in the back of the IS-F.

 

[Ktulu]

Bravo Toyota, Bravo. This has to be the laziest recall fix I've ever heard about.

:laugh:

 

[mwmorph]

It's too bad companies can't just tell people having problems that problem exists between steering wheel and chair.

Also I hear so much crap about the IS-F exhaust. You know who else uses those designs? Bugatti Veyron. Lamborghini Murcielago. Audi R8. Mazdaspeed 6. Any sort of design element exhaust tip requires it to be built that way. I guess haters will hate though.

 

[sdifox]

So what happens when you want to wash those things?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
It's too bad companies can't just tell people having problems that problem exists between steering wheel and chair.

Also I hear so much crap about the IS-F exhaust. You know who else uses those designs? Bugatti Veyron. Lamborghini Murcielago. Audi R8. Mazdaspeed 6. Any sort of design element exhaust tip requires it to be built that way. I guess haters will hate though.

my beef was that they pointed it out as a design feature. an"exhaust resonator" or some nonsense

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: sdifox
So what happens when you want to wash those things?

Dealers will happily clean your floormats for the low, low price of $600 including reinstallation of floormats and their mounting hardware.

 

[Mermaidman]

Stolen from Jalopnik, for all you Elvis fans:

As the blame flies
On a warm and balmy Torrance morn
A poor little recall plan is born
It's so ghetto (it's so ghetto)

And the drivers cry
Cause if there's one thing that just doesn't mix
It's another half-assed dealer fix
It's so ghetto (it's so ghetto)

People, don't you understand
These cars all need a helping hand
Or they'll burn to be an empty old shell some day
Take a look at you and me,
Are we too blind to see,
Do we simply turn our heads
And look the other way?

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: sdifox
So what happens when you want to wash those things?

Dealers will happily clean your floormats for the low, low price of $600 including reinstallation of floormats and their mounting hardware.

laser calibrated no doubt. But that price does not include taxes right?

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: mwmorph
It's too bad companies can't just tell people having problems that problem exists between steering wheel and chair.

Also I hear so much crap about the IS-F exhaust. You know who else uses those designs? Bugatti Veyron. Lamborghini Murcielago. Audi R8. Mazdaspeed 6. Any sort of design element exhaust tip requires it to be built that way. I guess haters will hate though.

my beef was that they pointed it out as a design feature. an"exhaust resonator" or some nonsense

http://www.autospies.com/news/...ew-Lexus-beat-it-22777

In the rear the most noticeable change from the IS 350 is the ?F? badge and the addition of the stacked quad exhaust tips. While previous reports have surfaced showing pre-production placeholders for the upper tips, our test vehicle was full-functional for all four.

Ypu can clearly see, the tips actually directly connect and fill the entire area inside the fake tips on production models. Edmunds and mags got pre-production models with placeholder exhaust tips.
http://www.autospies.com/news/...d=28034&galleryId=1215
It's actually better than most cars in this manner in that they fit tightly and well with the custom tips. The only cars that I can remember off the top of my head that also use custom tips to fill out the area correctly are the Veyron(great craftmanship on the tips) and Reventon/Murcielago (to a lesser extent).


The thing with car reviews are that with the exclusive first few reviews, they are almost guaranteed to be preproduction press cars with some minor niggles that aren't finished yet.

Don't get me mixed up though, I wouldn't nuy any Toyota/Lexus/Scion in the forseeable future, but as a company, I do respect the engineering. They're following their mission statement very well, though it may not be a direction I agree in just like Subaru or Audi, it's not all black/white wrong/right, it is what it is and i'm fine with it, they cater to different tastes.

 

[BassBomb]

Whywouldn't they zip tie through the existing hole?

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
It's too bad companies can't just tell people having problems that problem exists between steering wheel and chair.

Also I hear so much crap about the IS-F exhaust. You know who else uses those designs? Bugatti Veyron. Lamborghini Murcielago. Audi R8. Mazdaspeed 6. Any sort of design element exhaust tip requires it to be built that way. I guess haters will hate though.

Sorry but the IS-F exhaust is not the same thing as the other vehicles you mentioned. The IS-F has 2 exhaust tips and faked out to be shown as 4. The other vehicles show the tips as the extension of the exhaust.
http://www.autospies.com/news/...ed-exhaust-tips-22601/

 

[IcePickFreak]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
It's too bad companies can't just tell people having problems that problem exists between steering wheel and chair.

Also I hear so much crap about the IS-F exhaust. You know who else uses those designs? Bugatti Veyron. Lamborghini Murcielago. Audi R8. Mazdaspeed 6. Any sort of design element exhaust tip requires it to be built that way. I guess haters will hate though.

They're really not the same thing as on the Bugatti or Lambo. If you look at either of those they are long pieces with the outlet from the actual exhaust pipe inside the fake tip. That's to change resonance. If you look at the IS-F, or the R8's for that matter, they're short pieces tacked on to the bumper with several inches between the actual exhaust outlet and the fake tip(s). Heck they don't even line up on the IS-F, not that it matters as they're not going to do anything for resonance/exhaust note.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: BassBomb
Whywouldn't they zip tie through the existing hole?

I believe the stock tabs are still kept in also so it wouldn't work.

Originally posted by: IcePickFreak

Originally posted by: mwmorph
It's too bad companies can't just tell people having problems that problem exists between steering wheel and chair.

Also I hear so much crap about the IS-F exhaust. You know who else uses those designs? Bugatti Veyron. Lamborghini Murcielago. Audi R8. Mazdaspeed 6. Any sort of design element exhaust tip requires it to be built that way. I guess haters will hate though.

They're really not the same thing as on the Bugatti or Lambo. If you look at either of those they are long pieces with the outlet from the actual exhaust pipe inside the fake tip. That's to change resonance. If you look at the IS-F, or the R8's for that matter, they're short pieces tacked on to the bumper with several inches between the actual exhaust outlet and the fake tip(s). Heck they don't even line up on the IS-F, not that it matters as they're not going to do anything for resonance/exhaust note.

please see my followup, the production models actually incorporate the tip into the rear fascia.

The real reason for so many companies to do this is pretty simple, appearance. Exhausts will rust, even stainless steel will eventually oxidize to a point after some time in adverse weather. This keeps the exhaust tips looking new-ish throughout the life of the car.

 

[BassBomb]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: BassBomb
Whywouldn't they zip tie through the existing hole?

I believe the stock tabs are still kept in also so it wouldn't work.

Originally posted by: IcePickFreak

Originally posted by: mwmorph
It's too bad companies can't just tell people having problems that problem exists between steering wheel and chair.

Also I hear so much crap about the IS-F exhaust. You know who else uses those designs? Bugatti Veyron. Lamborghini Murcielago. Audi R8. Mazdaspeed 6. Any sort of design element exhaust tip requires it to be built that way. I guess haters will hate though.

They're really not the same thing as on the Bugatti or Lambo. If you look at either of those they are long pieces with the outlet from the actual exhaust pipe inside the fake tip. That's to change resonance. If you look at the IS-F, or the R8's for that matter, they're short pieces tacked on to the bumper with several inches between the actual exhaust outlet and the fake tip(s). Heck they don't even line up on the IS-F, not that it matters as they're not going to do anything for resonance/exhaust note.

please see my followup, the production models actually incorporate the tip into the rear fascia.

You could still use the stock hooks while a zip tie is fished through the same hole..

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: BassBomb
Whywouldn't they zip tie through the existing hole?

I believe the stock tabs are still kept in also so it wouldn't work.

Originally posted by: IcePickFreak

Originally posted by: mwmorph
It's too bad companies can't just tell people having problems that problem exists between steering wheel and chair.

Also I hear so much crap about the IS-F exhaust. You know who else uses those designs? Bugatti Veyron. Lamborghini Murcielago. Audi R8. Mazdaspeed 6. Any sort of design element exhaust tip requires it to be built that way. I guess haters will hate though.

They're really not the same thing as on the Bugatti or Lambo. If you look at either of those they are long pieces with the outlet from the actual exhaust pipe inside the fake tip. That's to change resonance. If you look at the IS-F, or the R8's for that matter, they're short pieces tacked on to the bumper with several inches between the actual exhaust outlet and the fake tip(s). Heck they don't even line up on the IS-F, not that it matters as they're not going to do anything for resonance/exhaust note.

please see my followup, the production models actually incorporate the tip into the rear fascia.

It's interesting but the IS-F's that I've seen (2 of them) didn't have that and I'm pretty sure those were production models.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: BassBomb

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: BassBomb
Whywouldn't they zip tie through the existing hole?

I believe the stock tabs are still kept in also so it wouldn't work.

Originally posted by: IcePickFreak

Originally posted by: mwmorph
It's too bad companies can't just tell people having problems that problem exists between steering wheel and chair.

Also I hear so much crap about the IS-F exhaust. You know who else uses those designs? Bugatti Veyron. Lamborghini Murcielago. Audi R8. Mazdaspeed 6. Any sort of design element exhaust tip requires it to be built that way. I guess haters will hate though.

They're really not the same thing as on the Bugatti or Lambo. If you look at either of those they are long pieces with the outlet from the actual exhaust pipe inside the fake tip. That's to change resonance. If you look at the IS-F, or the R8's for that matter, they're short pieces tacked on to the bumper with several inches between the actual exhaust outlet and the fake tip(s). Heck they don't even line up on the IS-F, not that it matters as they're not going to do anything for resonance/exhaust note.

please see my followup, the production models actually incorporate the tip into the rear fascia.

You could still use the stock hooks while a zip tie is fished through the same hole..

Depends on the clearances and location, I don't own a Toyota so cant say for sure, but it probably wouldn't work.

 

[KIAman]

Next recall will be for the zip-ties. All affected Toyota drivers will be issued a new zip-tie first class mail.

 

[BassBomb]

My family has an ES350. I am sure it will work. You'd have to pass it through hole before hooking the holes down though

 

[PhoKingGuy]

This has got to be the worst thing i've ever seen. The funny part is if GM or Ford did this everyone would be knocking them to hell and back. But since its Toyota, its ok.


If my car came back like that I would have a brand new set of floor mats installed at their cost. No way in hell does any new car have a ziptie holding any part of it together.

 

[theeedude]

If you can't duck it, fvck it 😉

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: BassBomb
My family has an ES350. I am sure it will work. You'd have to pass it through hole before hooking the holes down though

So as a Lexus owner you're OK with the solution to this problem being some ugly cheap zip ties?

 

[theeedude]

I'd rather risk burning to death in unintended acceleration incident than use zip ties in my luxury car 🙂
I don't even zip tying speed sensor to my bicycle.

 

[brblx]

Originally posted by: Ktulu
Bravo Toyota, Bravo. This has to be the laziest recall fix I've ever heard about.

:laugh:

there was the ford fix where a problem with wiring fires was addressed by putting a fusible link in line, rather than actually fixxing what was causing the circuit to overload. that tops my list.

personally i don't see why toyota didn't just address this with new plastic hooks that lock into the mat and floor better. only other good (read: cheap) option would be some kind of bracket to move the gas pedal up a bit.