Some of the frames look like they were pulled from the ocean.
http://www.thebostonchannel.co...e/19294250/detail.html
http://www.thebostonchannel.co...e/19294250/detail.html
Toyota trucks == Rust Buckets
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Been known for quite some time. They extended the warranties on hundreds of thousands of trucks, and offered to buy them back of the corrosion was significant enough.
That was on Tacomas, this story is about the newwer trucks which Toyota says there is no problem.
If this turns out to be true on a large scale toyota will have a hard time selling trucks in the future. Of course the few that left GM/Ford would come back.
GasX
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I'm not a Toyota fanboi but lets see
You have a rusty truck? here lets make that right for you!
Sometimes they do the 'wha? not us' gig like with engine sludge but a lot of the time they stand behind their stuff
You have a rusty truck? here lets make that right for you!
Sometimes they do the 'wha? not us' gig like with engine sludge but a lot of the time they stand behind their stuff
I didn't read that article but another where Toyota's stance is better represented
Short of it is, they know about it are investigating it and working towards some resolution
"According to Lyons, 1995-2004 Tacoma pickups and 2000-01 Tundras shared the same frame supplier: Toledo, Ohio-based Dana Holding Corporation. In investigating the Tacoma?s rust complaints, Toyota discovered that Dana hadn?t properly prepped Tacoma frames to resist corrosion before they were shipped to Toyota?s NUMMI manufacturing plant, where the Tacoma is assembled.
?Because of the Tacoma, we are taking a look at other vehicles of similar make and production elements. This includes the Tundra,? Lyons said. ?[Dana] used the same rust treatment [for the Tacoma and Tundra] during manufacturing.?
2000 was the Toyota Tundra?s inaugural model year. It was introduced as a replacement for the earlier Toyota T100 pickup. The first trucks were built in 1999. In 2000, 100,455 were sold, and another 108,863 were sold in 2001.
Most rust-damaged Tundras have been reported in what Toyota defines as severe cold-weather states, like Massachusetts, where brutal winter road conditions can take their toll on under-protected metal.
For now, a team of Toyota engineers and technicians out in the field is inspecting reports of rusted Tundras as they?re flagged by Toyota dealers or Toyota?s national Customer Experience Center. Toyota has yet to send out a formal letter about the issue to its dealers or to Tundra owners, like it did for the Tacoma in 2008.
?We need to look at each vehicle and understand its history ? where it?s been driven and how it?s been driven," Lyons said. ?It?s a little complicated because the warranty on these 2000-01 vehicles has run out. We can?t just warranty the frame. We have to deal with them on a case-by-case basis.?
Lyons says Toyota is still trying to figure out how it will support customers complaining about these vehicles, but part of Toyota?s short-term response could be paying for repairs even though the trucks are well past their factory warranty periods.
Over the long term, if the situation warrants, Toyota could take similar blanket action with the Tundra as it did with the Tacoma.
Lyons says 2000-01 Toyota Tundra owners with questions or trucks showing frame rust problems should call Toyota?s Customer Experience Center at 1-800-331-4331.
Short of it is, they know about it are investigating it and working towards some resolution
"According to Lyons, 1995-2004 Tacoma pickups and 2000-01 Tundras shared the same frame supplier: Toledo, Ohio-based Dana Holding Corporation. In investigating the Tacoma?s rust complaints, Toyota discovered that Dana hadn?t properly prepped Tacoma frames to resist corrosion before they were shipped to Toyota?s NUMMI manufacturing plant, where the Tacoma is assembled.
?Because of the Tacoma, we are taking a look at other vehicles of similar make and production elements. This includes the Tundra,? Lyons said. ?[Dana] used the same rust treatment [for the Tacoma and Tundra] during manufacturing.?
2000 was the Toyota Tundra?s inaugural model year. It was introduced as a replacement for the earlier Toyota T100 pickup. The first trucks were built in 1999. In 2000, 100,455 were sold, and another 108,863 were sold in 2001.
Most rust-damaged Tundras have been reported in what Toyota defines as severe cold-weather states, like Massachusetts, where brutal winter road conditions can take their toll on under-protected metal.
For now, a team of Toyota engineers and technicians out in the field is inspecting reports of rusted Tundras as they?re flagged by Toyota dealers or Toyota?s national Customer Experience Center. Toyota has yet to send out a formal letter about the issue to its dealers or to Tundra owners, like it did for the Tacoma in 2008.
?We need to look at each vehicle and understand its history ? where it?s been driven and how it?s been driven," Lyons said. ?It?s a little complicated because the warranty on these 2000-01 vehicles has run out. We can?t just warranty the frame. We have to deal with them on a case-by-case basis.?
Lyons says Toyota is still trying to figure out how it will support customers complaining about these vehicles, but part of Toyota?s short-term response could be paying for repairs even though the trucks are well past their factory warranty periods.
Over the long term, if the situation warrants, Toyota could take similar blanket action with the Tundra as it did with the Tacoma.
Lyons says 2000-01 Toyota Tundra owners with questions or trucks showing frame rust problems should call Toyota?s Customer Experience Center at 1-800-331-4331.
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Despite an arctic-inspired name, certain Toyota Tundra full-size pickups may have problems withstanding harsh winter climates. Toyota is investigating reports of frame rust problems in 2000 and 2001 Tundras similar to those that caused the Japanese auto giant to extend warranties, buy back entire trucks, or repair or replace severely rusted frames in its 1995-2000 and 2001-04 Toyota Tacoma midsize pickups last year
We contacted Toyota after reading a story from Boston television station WCVB about Tundra owners with frames so badly corroded that some trucks might not be considered fit for work or resale.
?At this stage, we?re trying to grasp the situation,? said Brian Lyons, Toyota?s Safety and Quality communications manager. ?We don?t know whether we have an issue with Tundra or not.?
Other Tundra owners have filed similar complaints with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, where more than two dozen corrosion claims about 2000 and 2001 Tundra frames are on record
According to Lyons, 1995-2004 Tacoma pickups and 2000-01 Tundras shared the same frame supplier: Toledo, Ohio-based Dana Holding Corporation. In investigating the Tacoma?s rust complaints, Toyota discovered that Dana hadn?t properly prepped Tacoma frames to resist corrosion before they were shipped to Toyota?s NUMMI manufacturing plant, where the Tacoma is assembled.
?Because of the Tacoma, we are taking a look at other vehicles of similar make and production elements. This includes the Tundra,? Lyons said. ?[Dana] used the same rust treatment [for the Tacoma and Tundra] during manufacturing.?
2000 was the Toyota Tundra?s inaugural model year. It was introduced as a replacement for the earlier Toyota T100 pickup. The first trucks were built in 1999. In 2000, 100,455 were sold, and another 108,863 were sold in 2001.
Most rust-damaged Tundras have been reported in what Toyota defines as severe cold-weather states, like Massachusetts, where brutal winter road conditions can take their toll on under-protected metal.
For now, a team of Toyota engineers and technicians out in the field is inspecting reports of rusted Tundras as they?re flagged by Toyota dealers or Toyota?s national Customer Experience Center. Toyota has yet to send out a formal letter about the issue to its dealers or to Tundra owners, like it did for the Tacoma in 2008.
We need to look at each vehicle and understand its history ? where it?s been driven and how it?s been driven," Lyons said. ?It?s a little complicated because the warranty on these 2000-01 vehicles has run out. We can?t just warranty the frame. We have to deal with them on a case-by-case basis.?
Lyons says Toyota is still trying to figure out how it will support customers complaining about these vehicles, but part of Toyota?s short-term response could be paying for repairs even though the trucks are well past their factory warranty periods.
Over the long term, if the situation warrants, Toyota could take similar blanket action with the Tundra as it did with the Tacoma.
Lyons says 2000-01 Toyota Tundra owners with questions or trucks showing frame rust problems should call Toyota?s Customer Experience Center at 1-800-331-4331
My god man, over two dozen complaints of rusted frames out of over 200,000 trucks sold.
The sky is falling.
And did you notice, the frames were made by Ohio-based Dana Holding Corporation?
Toyota discovered Dana didn't properly prep the frames to resist corrosion.
If true, there was no problem with the Toyota design or the steel, it was the prep done by an American supplier.
Meanwhile, my '87 Toyota Corolla continues to run, rust free, with over 214K.
Despite an arctic-inspired name, certain Toyota Tundra full-size pickups may have problems withstanding harsh winter climates. Toyota is investigating reports of frame rust problems in 2000 and 2001 Tundras similar to those that caused the Japanese auto giant to extend warranties, buy back entire trucks, or repair or replace severely rusted frames in its 1995-2000 and 2001-04 Toyota Tacoma midsize pickups last year
We contacted Toyota after reading a story from Boston television station WCVB about Tundra owners with frames so badly corroded that some trucks might not be considered fit for work or resale.
?At this stage, we?re trying to grasp the situation,? said Brian Lyons, Toyota?s Safety and Quality communications manager. ?We don?t know whether we have an issue with Tundra or not.?
Other Tundra owners have filed similar complaints with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, where more than two dozen corrosion claims about 2000 and 2001 Tundra frames are on record
According to Lyons, 1995-2004 Tacoma pickups and 2000-01 Tundras shared the same frame supplier: Toledo, Ohio-based Dana Holding Corporation. In investigating the Tacoma?s rust complaints, Toyota discovered that Dana hadn?t properly prepped Tacoma frames to resist corrosion before they were shipped to Toyota?s NUMMI manufacturing plant, where the Tacoma is assembled.
?Because of the Tacoma, we are taking a look at other vehicles of similar make and production elements. This includes the Tundra,? Lyons said. ?[Dana] used the same rust treatment [for the Tacoma and Tundra] during manufacturing.?
2000 was the Toyota Tundra?s inaugural model year. It was introduced as a replacement for the earlier Toyota T100 pickup. The first trucks were built in 1999. In 2000, 100,455 were sold, and another 108,863 were sold in 2001.
Most rust-damaged Tundras have been reported in what Toyota defines as severe cold-weather states, like Massachusetts, where brutal winter road conditions can take their toll on under-protected metal.
For now, a team of Toyota engineers and technicians out in the field is inspecting reports of rusted Tundras as they?re flagged by Toyota dealers or Toyota?s national Customer Experience Center. Toyota has yet to send out a formal letter about the issue to its dealers or to Tundra owners, like it did for the Tacoma in 2008.
We need to look at each vehicle and understand its history ? where it?s been driven and how it?s been driven," Lyons said. ?It?s a little complicated because the warranty on these 2000-01 vehicles has run out. We can?t just warranty the frame. We have to deal with them on a case-by-case basis.?
Lyons says Toyota is still trying to figure out how it will support customers complaining about these vehicles, but part of Toyota?s short-term response could be paying for repairs even though the trucks are well past their factory warranty periods.
Over the long term, if the situation warrants, Toyota could take similar blanket action with the Tundra as it did with the Tacoma.
Lyons says 2000-01 Toyota Tundra owners with questions or trucks showing frame rust problems should call Toyota?s Customer Experience Center at 1-800-331-4331
My god man, over two dozen complaints of rusted frames out of over 200,000 trucks sold.
The sky is falling.
And did you notice, the frames were made by Ohio-based Dana Holding Corporation?
Toyota discovered Dana didn't properly prep the frames to resist corrosion.
If true, there was no problem with the Toyota design or the steel, it was the prep done by an American supplier.
Meanwhile, my '87 Toyota Corolla continues to run, rust free, with over 214K.
Zenmervolt
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Drive it through 5 winters in a place that gets actual weather and see how it lasts. You cannot compare a California car with a car that sees harsh weather and road salt. (And no, the salt from the ocean in CA doesn't even come close.)
Yeah. Toyota couldn't possibly have a vested interest in passing the blame. It's also not like Toyota would have inspected the finished frames before use to ensure that their specs were met. Nah.
Dana supplies parts to Domestic trucks too. They have for decades. Yet somehow Domestic trucks don't have a history of rusting in half. In fact, Dana axles and driveline components are widely recognized by offroaders as being among the best products in the business. Dana supplies parts to almost every major vehicle manufacturer, including commercial and offroad use.
ZV
I picked one up here in Kentucky last year. Same year, the little hatch tercel. Rust city. Carb was ugly stupid too.
Maybe some rednecks that don't like Toyota failed to apply a treatment? Possibly the prototypes were done correctly and the production frames were not.
I know you don't like the fact that it was an American made part that was the problem.
Dana may make some good parts for other companies. But these frames were a problem.
I'm not comparing a California car to one that sees harsh weather and salt, you are.
I'm just pointing out that not all Toyotas are rust buckets that are falling apart.
Bignate603
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Toyota is big on quality control. They spot check their products constantly. It's one of the things that the US auto makers are now trying to copy. If they didn't catch an issue with their supplier it's still their fault.
Also, as has been stated before, Dana's products are recognized as some of the best truck hardware out there. If there's an issue I'd really suspect its an issue with the design (like the frame not being able to drain properly and rusting from the inside out) or that Toyota is requesting a special treatment or process that Dana doesn't typically do. If Toyota is saying to spray the part with their special XYZ chemical instead of ABC Dana will do it, even if it makes the quality terrible.
Toyota is the only one having issues and Dana parts are all over the place. That points to the issue being with Toyota, not Dana.
:laugh: Are you serious? It's all a big redneck conspiracy to sabotage Toyota's new big truck so that it rusts out in 8 years?? LMAO
I know you don't like the fact that it is a Japanese truck that likes to rust in half. Dana makes good parts for other companies that provide them with an appropriate spec to follow. It appears likely that Toyota skimped (or just f'd up) on their spec, and got bad parts as a result. Not to mention the Tacoma debacle before this.
No, actually, you are.
You're saying that just because he picked an article that mentioned areas that are especially prone to rust isn't a comparison when he lives in an area that isn't?
I guess it helps if you read what you post.
And seriously, you're just like LOUISSSS with the crap you post. Dana builds products to the company's specification.
If you want to crap on the American auto companies, go for it, but I hate to break it to you, Dana supplies parts for every Japanese automaker selling cars in the US. Is Honda having rust issues? How about Nissan? Any word from Mazda? They all use Dana and their parts seem to be just fine.
Originally posted by: JLee
I got over twice what I paid for my Tacoma, and I drove it for years. I'm not complaining about Toyota..
Exactly the reaason I hope my '97 Tacoma gets tagged for recall - I've heard the buybacks are especially generous, and I've love a new one! Come on, rust!
iamwiz82
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Originally posted by: Strk
You're saying that just because he picked an article that mentioned areas that are especially prone to rust isn't a comparison when he lives in an area that isn't?
I guess it helps if you read what you post.
And seriously, you're just like LOUISSSS with the crap you post. Dana builds products to the company's specification.
If you want to crap on the American auto companies, go for it, but I hate to break it to you, Dana supplies parts for every Japanese automaker selling cars in the US. Is Honda having rust issues? How about Nissan? Any word from Mazda? They all use Dana and their parts seem to be just fine.
This is exactly why Toyota isn't going back to Dana demanding them to cover the repairs. Don't think that the OEMs haven't shut down suppliers by suing them to cover the costs of quality concerns that ended up causing recalls/TSBs.
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