Toyota recalling more than 770,000 vehicles in US

[ShotgunSteven]

One of my co-workers drives a Toyota Tundra. They had the front wheel of their truck fold up under the body while they were driving. According to Toyota theirs is the first such failure in the country due to this problem.

 

[labgeek]

Originally posted by: sniperruff

but im sure toyota isn't thinking "eh nobody will notice... those suckers will just have to fork over money later. oh well" like dodge or ford.

If you've registered your vehicle with Toyota, or ever had work done on it at a dealer, they send you a card if you're affected. You take the card to the dealer to have the work done at no cost... Short answer - you have no clue about which you are talking.

 

[labgeek]

It is one of the largest safety recalls ever by Toyota Motor Corp. in north America and in the company's history.

What I like is how people are going bananas over "3/4 of a million cars recalled" and "largest recall for Toyota". That's a BIG deal... but

General Motors recalls 3.5 million SUVs, pickups and vans equipped with anti-lock brake systems due to problems that may cause extended braking distances.

So 700,000 is huge but 3.5 MILLION isn't? Hmm... Oh and take a look at a couple of posts ago... Add them up for the top 10...

In Millions...
GM 22.9
Ford 16.3
Honda 3.7
VW 3.7

So out of a total 46.6 Million cars, the percentages are "American" makes 84%, German 8%, and Japanese 8%...

Rational thought seems to have escaped some around here.

 

[MasterAndCommander]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
One of my co-workers drives a Toyota Tundra. They had the front wheel of their truck fold up under the body while they were driving. According to Toyota theirs is the first such failure in the country due to this problem.

Sorry to hear that - I hope no one was hurt when it happened.
Someone posted a biased, but still interesting Ford Infomercial a few days back, I think it was called "The truth about trucks" or something like that. Although it was obvioulsly designed to show the F-150 in the most favorable light, some of the components used in the Toyota Tundra and Nissan Titan did look a bit flimsy compared to the F-150. The Tundra was on the top of my list for a future truck purchase, but it's fallen quite a few notches now. I want something that can take punishment, not some luxo-cruiser with a truck bed.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
One of my co-workers drives a Toyota Tundra. They had the front wheel of their truck fold up under the body while they were driving. According to Toyota theirs is the first such failure in the country due to this problem.

Sorry to hear that - I hope no one was hurt when it happened.
Someone posted a biased, but still interesting Ford Infomercial a few days back, I think it was called "The truth about trucks" or something like that. Although it was obvioulsly designed to show the F-150 in the most favorable light, some of the components used in the Toyota Tundra and Nissan Titan did look a bit flimsy compared to the F-150. The Tundra was on the top of my list for a future truck purchase, but it's fallen quite a few notches now. I want something that can take punishment, not some luxo-cruiser with a truck bed.

No one hurt, though if they had been on a highway at speed instead of on a sideroad, they might have slid to the shoulder of the road and rolled into the ditch.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Bah, 770,000 vehicles is nothing. GM recalls a million vehicles every week.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
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[Acanthus]

This is the 1st major safety recall for toyota in quite a while.

GM and ford are in the dozens in the last 3 years.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander

Originally posted by: Armitage
GM Recalls 2 Million
GM Recalls 300 Thousand
GM Recalls 150 Thousand - may expand to 1.28 Million
800 Thousand vehicle Ford recall could expand to 6 MillionA better article on the last bit
Ford recalls 155 Thousand Crown Vics

Nissan Recalls 2.5 Million Cars
...so what's your point? 😕 Recalls are a part of the automotive industry, as are TSB's..ever look at at the NHTSA's website?

I have and American makes have many many more recalls TSB's issued than Toyota or Honda. When I bought my Tundra I checked and I think it was something like 3 or 4 times as many TSB's for the American makes trucks vs Toyota trucks.

YMMV.

 

[Quixfire]

Originally posted by: rahvin
Outstanding service.

You know what GM would have done? An economic analysis of the time of failure of the part to determine how many of the repairs would be required in warranty, if the majority fell outside the warranty and it was cheaper for them to get repair the few that did fail in warranty they would have ignored the issue. I know of a dozen such issues, the one that pops to mind right now is fords V8 5.0 and it's little oil problem that's existed for 10 years but because the vast majority occur after the warranty they haven't recalled and they haven't even bothered to fix the design problem.

Toyota is fixing something that probably doesn't even cause failure in warranty and isn't a safety problem, that's an anathma to GM and Ford.

What oil problem on the Ford 5.0L V8? I've worked on Ford for over 20 years and I'm not aware of any design issues involving the 5.0L V8.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Bah, 770,000 vehicles is nothing. GM recalls a million vehicles every week.

Right... which is why GM just scored 2nd for reliability among all manufacturers in a recent JD Power survey (after Toyota of course).

edit: Though the AT fanboi crowd rejects news they don't want to hear, the fact of the matter is that American brands overall are just as reliable as Japanese brands now (let's not forget that Japanese brands include consistently unreliable makes like Nissan and Mazda). You want truly unreliable? Buy a VW, Audi, Mercedes, or BMW. Otherwise, several GM makes, Like Buick for example, have consistenly ranked as the most reliable cars year after year.

 

[Hottie]

To all you N/A car hater, try google any of the following "honda recall" "Toyota recall" or "xxx recall". Every manufacture issue recall, the question is will they get to the press or not. exp Honda recalled all TSX last yr do you know it?

As for big 3 cover things up, who doen't? Try search for Toyota refuse to repair tons of early 90s camry engine OR Honda's problematic auto tranny. At least N/A manufacture have the ball to issue recall unlike Jap company.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Hottie
To all you N/A car hater, try google any of the following "honda recall" "Toyota recall" or "xxx recall". Every manufacture issue recall, the question is will they get to the press or not. exp Honda recalled all TSX last yr do you know it?

As for big 3 cover things up, who doen't? Try search for Toyota refuse to repair tons of early 90s camry engine OR Honda's problematic auto tranny. At least N/A manufacture have the ball to issue recall unlike Jap company.

The left headlight might short from a leak is a little different than "your car can burst into flame while off" (ford).

Just like "the key can come out of the ignition while in operation" (Acura) is a little different than "heater coil defect can cause fire" (ford).

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
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[MasterAndCommander]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Hottie
To all you N/A car hater, try google any of the following "honda recall" "Toyota recall" or "xxx recall". Every manufacture issue recall, the question is will they get to the press or not. exp Honda recalled all TSX last yr do you know it?

As for big 3 cover things up, who doen't? Try search for Toyota refuse to repair tons of early 90s camry engine OR Honda's problematic auto tranny. At least N/A manufacture have the ball to issue recall unlike Jap company.

The left headlight might short from a leak is a little different than "your car can burst into flame while off" (ford).

Just like "the key can come out of the ignition while in operation" (Acura) is a little different than "heater coil defect can cause fire" (ford).

Actually, Toyota's oil sludge problem in the 90's was rather 'slimy' the way they initially tried to cover it up. They made amends by offering an 8 year warranty on lubrication problems, but it took them years to finally owe up to it. Just do a Google search on 1MZ-V6, oil, and sludge. Luckily, my Camry had the previous generation, uber reliable 3VZFE.

Anyways, my point to bringing up this thread, was not to bash imports, just to show that no one manufacturer does everything right. As a smart consumer - don't buy just on brand name alone - look at all choices imports or domestics and decide what gives you the most bang for your buck.

Dont assume all domestic = crap or
all imports = jap crap/eurotrash/whatever...these are rather narrow minded views.

 

[Doggiedog]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
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only racist in so-cali....abbreviation everywhere else :roll:

BS. It is NOT an abbreviation. The abbreviation is JPN. If he can spell American which has just as many letters, he can spell Japanese.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Toyota's success is closely linked to their reputation. They understand that future sales could potentially be lost if the problem wasn't addressed in a responsible manner. In short, they looked at the bigger picture.

Exactly.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
One of my co-workers drives a Toyota Tundra. They had the front wheel of their truck fold up under the body while they were driving. According to Toyota theirs is the first such failure in the country due to this problem.

Scary!

Sounds like it's a little more than a scratch, in some cases at least.....

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Bah, 770,000 vehicles is nothing. GM recalls a million vehicles every week.

Right... which is why GM just scored 2nd for reliability among all manufacturers in a recent JD Power survey (after Toyota of course).

edit: Though the AT fanboi crowd rejects news they don't want to hear, the fact of the matter is that American brands overall are just as reliable as Japanese brands now (let's not forget that Japanese brands include consistently unreliable makes like Nissan and Mazda). You want truly unreliable? Buy a VW, Audi, Mercedes, or BMW. Otherwise, several GM makes, Like Buick for example, have consistenly ranked as the most reliable cars year after year.

I wouldn't buy a German car either because they are way overpriced and unreliable.

I don't care if it had a 1,000,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty, I wouldn't be caught dead in a Buick.

It's not that I hate American cars or that I think they are horrible piles of crap (some of them are) it's just that they are so freaking ugly/boring. Pontiac only makes one car that is remotely interesting and that's the GTO, which they don't even make ironically. Other than that and the Corvette I don't see anything in their lineup that I'd actually spend my money on or that I'd want to own. Not one single car or truck!!!

This thread is flamebait though and it isn't going to change my mind about anything related to cars.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
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only racist in so-cali....abbreviation everywhere else :roll:

BS. It is NOT an abbreviation. The abbreviation is JPN. If he can spell American which has just as many letters, he can spell Japanese.

I think the point there is because the two words rhyme...
I suppose the should've been a period there, but JPN is definitely not abbeviation for japanese.

For example if you have something like

Seeing the success of Japanse car manufacturesr on the US market, Korean companies are eager to renter the US with a new image. However they will be hard pressed to compete with Japanese companies due to the low manuf. costs achieved by the Jap. heavy industries.

putting JPN insted of Jap. doesn't make any sense... most people wouldn't know what you're talking about.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
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only racist in so-cali....abbreviation everywhere else :roll:

BS. It is NOT an abbreviation. The abbreviation is JPN. If he can spell American which has just as many letters, he can spell Japanese.

I think the point there is because the two words rhyme...
I suppose the should've been a period there, but JPN is definitely not abbeviation for japanese.

For example if you have something like

Seeing the success of Japanse car manufacturesr on the US market, Korean companies are eager to renter the US with a new image. However they will be hard pressed to compete with Japanese companies due to the low manuf. costs achieved by the Jap. heavy industries.

putting JPN insted of Jap. doesn't make any sense... most people wouldn't know what you're talking about.

Yeah, but it doesn't really matter what you think. The mods have the final say and if they want to ban your ass for it there's not a damned thing you can do about it.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
jap crap

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only racist in so-cali....abbreviation everywhere else :roll:

BS. It is NOT an abbreviation. The abbreviation is JPN. If he can spell American which has just as many letters, he can spell Japanese.

I think the point there is because the two words rhyme...
I suppose the should've been a period there, but JPN is definitely not abbeviation for japanese.

For example if you have something like

Seeing the success of Japanse car manufacturesr on the US market, Korean companies are eager to renter the US with a new image. However they will be hard pressed to compete with Japanese companies due to the low manuf. costs achieved by the Jap. heavy industries.

putting JPN insted of Jap. doesn't make any sense... most people wouldn't know what you're talking about.

Yeah, but it doesn't really matter what you think. The mods have the final say and if they want to ban your ass for it there's not a damned thing you can do about it.

I just think the whole "issue" is funny because it's really a non issue, but more of a localized PC-attempt to make a word taboo.

Around here, the word "jap" is actually more known as an abreviation of "jewish american princess".

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Toyota's success is closely linked to their reputation. They understand that future sales could potentially be lost if the problem wasn't addressed in a responsible manner. In short, they looked at the bigger picture.

Exactly.

Yep. Back in the 70s and 80s, Honda and Toyota used to hold classes for new owners on how to properly maintain their new car. They saw big picture and wisely knew that reliability is more than just how well the car is built, but also how well the car is maintained (as you well know, Eli 🙂 ). The domestics were way behind on this, and are paying the price now -- now just because they sold a lot of crap at one time, but also because they didn't encourage proper and strict maintenance among their cars' owners.

You see, JD Power and Consumer Reports surveys don't tell you how a car was treated and maintained, and yet maintenance is every bit as crucial to long-term reliability as is build quality.

 

[MasterAndCommander]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Bah, 770,000 vehicles is nothing. GM recalls a million vehicles every week.

Right... which is why GM just scored 2nd for reliability among all manufacturers in a recent JD Power survey (after Toyota of course).

edit: Though the AT fanboi crowd rejects news they don't want to hear, the fact of the matter is that American brands overall are just as reliable as Japanese brands now (let's not forget that Japanese brands include consistently unreliable makes like Nissan and Mazda). You want truly unreliable? Buy a VW, Audi, Mercedes, or BMW. Otherwise, several GM makes, Like Buick for example, have consistenly ranked as the most reliable cars year after year.

I wouldn't buy a German car either because they are way overpriced and unreliable.

I don't care if it had a 1,000,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty, I wouldn't be caught dead in a Buick.

It's not that I hate American cars or that I think they are horrible piles of crap (some of them are) it's just that they are so freaking ugly/boring. Pontiac only makes one car that is remotely interesting and that's the GTO, which they don't even make ironically. Other than that and the Corvette I don't see anything in their lineup that I'd actually spend my money on or that I'd want to own. Not one single car or truck!!!

This thread is flamebait though and it isn't going to change my mind about anything related to cars.

My God man..the '04/'05 GTO is one of the most un-inspiring, un-imagninative designs ever. The performance is another thing...definitely kick-ass with the LS1/LS2 offerings.

 

[Doggiedog]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
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only racist in so-cali....abbreviation everywhere else :roll:

BS. It is NOT an abbreviation. The abbreviation is JPN. If he can spell American which has just as many letters, he can spell Japanese.

I think the point there is because the two words rhyme...
I suppose the should've been a period there, but JPN is definitely not abbeviation for japanese.

For example if you have something like

Seeing the success of Japanse car manufacturesr on the US market, Korean companies are eager to renter the US with a new image. However they will be hard pressed to compete with Japanese companies due to the low manuf. costs achieved by the Jap. heavy industries.

putting JPN insted of Jap. doesn't make any sense... most people wouldn't know what you're talking about.

Yeah, but it doesn't really matter what you think. The mods have the final say and if they want to ban your ass for it there's not a damned thing you can do about it.

I just think the whole "issue" is funny because it's really a non issue, but more of a localized PC-attempt to make a word taboo.

Around here, the word "jap" is actually more known as an abreviation of "jewish american princess".

Let me ask you something, what makes you the expert in deciding what is considered racist or not? Are you Japanese? I am Japanese American and I've been called Jap this or Jap that so I get offended when it happens. Jap is a derogatory word. Look it up. Just because you are too damn lazy to write out Japanese does not make writing Jap proper. Its not a matter of being politically correct, its a matter of civility. If a word has a derogatory connotation, you should not use it unless you are purposely trying to offend them.