Toyota recalling more than 770,000 vehicles in US

[MasterAndCommander]

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[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Toyota's success is closely linked to their reputation. They understand that future sales could potentially be lost if the problem wasn't addressed in a responsible manner. In short, they looked at the bigger picture.

Exactly.

Yep. Back in the 70s and 80s, Honda and Toyota used to hold classes for new owners on how to properly maintain their new car. They saw big picture and wisely knew that reliability is more than just how well the car is built, but also how well the car is maintained (as you well know, Eli ). The domestics were way behind on this, and are paying the price now -- now just because they sold a lot of crap at one time, but also because they didn't encourage proper and strict maintenance among their cars' owners.

You see, JD Power and Consumer Reports surveys don't tell you how a car was treated and maintained, and yet maintenance is every bit as crucial to long-term reliability as is build quality.

Makes you wonder if there is any merit to the free maintenance that the luxury brands offer while under warranty besides just pure customer service.

I wonder if free maintenance and scheduled checkups that are covered under the sticker price even out or come out ahead in the long run on filling warranty work that could have been avoided.

I know that service departs can deny warranty claims under conditions of poor, or complete lack of proper service, but for every one of those, there are probably 10 others that they do fill that could have been avoided with regular checkups that weren't done.

Just a thought.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
One of my co-workers drives a Toyota Tundra. They had the front wheel of their truck fold up under the body while they were driving. According to Toyota theirs is the first such failure in the country due to this problem.

Scary!

Sounds like it's a little more than a scratch, in some cases at least.....

It's not like it was being used to off-road or anything either, though the original owner may have done so. It had some oversized tires on it when he bought the thing that looked to be specially made for such purposes. It was only a year or so old trade-in when they got it. Apparently Toyota may send some national-level engineer or mechanic type up to look at the thing.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Thinking about going by the dealership where they have my co-worker's vehicle and snapping a few pictures. It's hidden away at the back edge of their lot, but it isn't fenced in or anything.

 

[chiwawa626]

You realize reguardless of what car manufacturer you are a fanboy of, they've all have had recalls. :roll: you guys have too much time to selectivly grill car manufacturers, especially when you've never driven the car yourself.

 

[billandopus]

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
jap crap

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Regardless of your opinion of the product, another racist slur from you will be your last post on our forums.

No further warnings No further time outs. Do it again ONLY if you are sure you want a permanent exit.

AnandTech Moderator

only racist in so-cali....abbreviation everywhere else :roll:

BS. It is NOT an abbreviation. The abbreviation is JPN. If he can spell American which has just as many letters, he can spell Japanese.

I think the point there is because the two words rhyme...
I suppose the should've been a period there, but JPN is definitely not abbeviation for japanese.

For example if you have something like

Seeing the success of Japanse car manufacturesr on the US market, Korean companies are eager to renter the US with a new image. However they will be hard pressed to compete with Japanese companies due to the low manuf. costs achieved by the Jap. heavy industries.

putting JPN insted of Jap. doesn't make any sense... most people wouldn't know what you're talking about.

Yeah, but it doesn't really matter what you think. The mods have the final say and if they want to ban your ass for it there's not a damned thing you can do about it.

I just think the whole "issue" is funny because it's really a non issue, but more of a localized PC-attempt to make a word taboo.

Around here, the word "jap" is actually more known as an abreviation of "jewish american princess".

Let me ask you something, what makes you the expert in deciding what is considered racist or not? Are you Japanese? I am Japanese American and I've been called Jap this or Jap that so I get offended when it happens. Jap is a derogatory word. Look it up. Just because you are too damn lazy to write out Japanese does not make writing Jap proper. Its not a matter of being politically correct, its a matter of civility. If a word has a derogatory connotation, you should not use it unless you are purposely trying to offend them.

Well said.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Bah, 770,000 vehicles is nothing. GM recalls a million vehicles every week.

Right... which is why GM just scored 2nd for reliability among all manufacturers in a recent JD Power survey (after Toyota of course).

edit: Though the AT fanboi crowd rejects news they don't want to hear, the fact of the matter is that American brands overall are just as reliable as Japanese brands now (let's not forget that Japanese brands include consistently unreliable makes like Nissan and Mazda). You want truly unreliable? Buy a VW, Audi, Mercedes, or BMW. Otherwise, several GM makes, Like Buick for example, have consistenly ranked as the most reliable cars year after year.

I wouldn't buy a German car either because they are way overpriced and unreliable.

I don't care if it had a 1,000,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty, I wouldn't be caught dead in a Buick.

It's not that I hate American cars or that I think they are horrible piles of crap (some of them are) it's just that they are so freaking ugly/boring. Pontiac only makes one car that is remotely interesting and that's the GTO, which they don't even make ironically. Other than that and the Corvette I don't see anything in their lineup that I'd actually spend my money on or that I'd want to own. Not one single car or truck!!!

This thread is flamebait though and it isn't going to change my mind about anything related to cars.

My God man..the '04/'05 GTO is one of the most un-inspiring, un-imagninative designs ever. The performance is another thing...definitely kick-ass with the LS1/LS2 offerings.

Agreed x 100. I test drove one Saturday. I give it a solid meh.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
jap crap

Made by American Workers.

Engineered by Japanese Workers :evil:

And assembled in the U.S. I doubt the Japanese workers designed scratches on the ball joints!

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: rahvin
Outstanding service.

You know what GM would have done? An economic analysis of the time of failure of the part to determine how many of the repairs would be required in warranty, if the majority fell outside the warranty and it was cheaper for them to get repair the few that did fail in warranty they would have ignored the issue. I know of a dozen such issues, the one that pops to mind right now is fords V8 5.0 and it's little oil problem that's existed for 10 years but because the vast majority occur after the warranty they haven't recalled and they haven't even bothered to fix the design problem.

Toyota is fixing something that probably doesn't even cause failure in warranty and isn't a safety problem, that's an anathma to GM and Ford.

That's one of the first things that came to mind. Ford has had a few repetitive problems that were never addressed... oil pans rusting out from the inside, high frequency of head gasket failures on one of their motors, etc.

 

[Mildlyamused]

for some odd reason I like recalls.. it just feels like my vehicle is getting complimentary service, which it is..

 

[Robor]

Pfft! At least Toyota is doing a recall. My 2000 VW went through 5 window drops due to a faulty regulator design and what did VW do about it? Replace it with another faulty regulator. It only took them a little over 2 years to get it right and put in a redesigned regulator.

I'm not going to take the time to list the many other probelms with my VW - all I can say is I wouldn't buy another one and I'd recommend others to do the same.

 

[Jenova314]

Originally posted by: Vic

[...] Otherwise, several GM makes, Like Buick for example, have consistenly ranked as the most reliable cars year after year.

I don't feel I should have to sacrifice the soul of the car in exchange for reliability.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
One of my co-workers drives a Toyota Tundra. They had the front wheel of their truck fold up under the body while they were driving. According to Toyota theirs is the first such failure in the country due to this problem.

Scary!

Sounds like it's a little more than a scratch, in some cases at least.....

It's not like it was being used to off-road or anything either, though the original owner may have done so. It had some oversized tires on it when he bought the thing that looked to be specially made for such purposes. It was only a year or so old trade-in when they got it. Apparently Toyota may send some national-level engineer or mechanic type up to look at the thing.

Well, the story is over. Toyota's grand-high poobah called my co-worker. Things didn't go well. They sent people up to inspect it, then sent parts up to install. Toyota local said that the parts they were installing were the same type of defective parts, because the new ones were not manufactured yet. Toyota national said that the parts being installed were the new and improved ones, which they were not.

Co-worker called them on the lie, Toyota national quit returning calls. They wanted my co-worker to just take the truck back despite the fact that the body had damage, it pulls hard to the right, and some of the tires are somewhat shredded now.

Toyota local rocked though, gave them value as if it were undamaged, bonuses, equity they had in it, and cut them a sweet deal on a 2005 Tacoma. Fsck Toyota at the national level, they're just like all the rest, but the local dealer rocked.

 

[MasterAndCommander]

Sounds like that is an upstanding local Toyota dealership...bravo to them :thumbsup:
And pooh to Toyota USA :thumbsdown:

 

[billandopus]

Just to add fuel to the fire, so to speak ... anyone read about the "millions of Ford vehicles - fire risk?"

Looks interesting ....

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/16/ford.vehicles/index.html

 

[thechinesehero]

masterandcommander what happened to your ford GT? why you got a mustang now? didnt you have that 150k car?

 

[MasterAndCommander]

Originally posted by: thechinesehero
masterandcommander what happened to your ford GT? why you got a mustang now? didnt you have that 150k car?

It was never mine to begin with, they just let me touch it :thumbsup:
I did offer to trade up for it, but they said no....