Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: sandorski
They spent money, sure. It still pales compared to the Economic Downturn. How many times do I have to say it?? Look at the Industry, everyone is hurting bad.
Nobody is denying that everyone else is hurting as well, but the amount of money that Toyota is losing is Big 3 numbers. Why isn't anyone else posting ~$8billion losses? Just admit it, they made some bad moves too. It's ok, so they're not the perfect company, big whoop.
I did admit it. It's just not the biggest part of their problem. Far from it.
Thank you :beer:
And yes you're right, it really isnt' the biggest part. Just like GM/Ford, they were both in the middle of restructuring when the economy took a shit.
Originally posted by: sandorski
No, it's nothing like GM/Ford/Chrysler. The Big 3 were hit too, but they've been hurting for years now, unlike Toyota which was just seeing Record Profits last fiscal year.
Originally posted by: senseamp
Toyota's problem is they are not moving forward. There is very little compelling reason to buy a new boring Toyota over a used boring Toyota that you already have. Look at Camry and Corolla, almost zero progress since 1989, that's 20 years. Sure people may refresh their garage when times are good, but in these times if you have a car that is running fine, something really has to be appealing to get you to spend the money, and Toyota doesn't have any appealing products that make you say I gotta have this, aside maybe FJ Cruiser for off road enthusiasts, but that's a fairly niche product.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: sandorski
No, it's nothing like GM/Ford/Chrysler. The Big 3 were hit too, but they've been hurting for years now, unlike Toyota which was just seeing Record Profits last fiscal year.
They're about to run out of money. It's pretty dire. All of the profits from north america were used to fund capital projects to build trucks/suvs/motors for them, etc.
That capital investments are still on the book and giving no return at all.
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: senseamp
Toyota's problem is they are not moving forward. There is very little compelling reason to buy a new boring Toyota over a used boring Toyota that you already have. Look at Camry and Corolla, almost zero progress since 1989, that's 20 years. Sure people may refresh their garage when times are good, but in these times if you have a car that is running fine, something really has to be appealing to get you to spend the money, and Toyota doesn't have any appealing products that make you say I gotta have this, aside maybe FJ Cruiser for off road enthusiasts, but that's a fairly niche product.
I like my 08 Tundra, and you see new Tacomas EVERYWHERE around here.
Originally posted by: senseamp
Toyota's problem is they are not moving forward. There is very little compelling reason to buy a new boring Toyota over a used boring Toyota that you already have. Look at Camry and Corolla, almost zero progress since 1989, that's 20 years. Sure people may refresh their garage when times are good, but in these times if you have a car that is running fine, something really has to be appealing to get you to spend the money, and Toyota doesn't have any appealing products that make you say I gotta have this, aside maybe FJ Cruiser for off road enthusiasts, but that's a fairly niche product.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: sandorski
Mostly just Market in general. Their choice of Vehicles have very little to do with it.
Umm, have you been paying attention to Toyota's capital investments over the last 5 years? They have all been for truck/suv plants and motors. The last two assembly plants they built were for a truck and an SUV.
Originally posted by: senseamp
Toyota's problem is they are not moving forward. There is very little compelling reason to buy a new boring Toyota over a used boring Toyota that you already have. Look at Camry and Corolla, almost zero progress since 1989, that's 20 years. Sure people may refresh their garage when times are good, but in these times if you have a car that is running fine, something really has to be appealing to get you to spend the money, and Toyota doesn't have any appealing products that make you say I gotta have this, aside maybe FJ Cruiser for off road enthusiasts, but that's a fairly niche product.
Originally posted by: sandorski
Mostly just Market in general. Their choice of Vehicles have very little to do with it.
Originally posted by: Hacp
Toyota still pays too much for workers here compared to wages in Asia. If they were allowed to pay minimum wage or less, they wouldn't be bleeding money.
Originally posted by: Cattlegod
Originally posted by: sandorski
Mostly just Market in general. Their choice of Vehicles have very little to do with it.
nope, not at all.
it was a strategic decision to build as much capacity as they did. they could have stayed a medium player before and had appropriate capacity, but decided not to. pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. toyota is a hog.
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Cattlegod
Originally posted by: sandorski
Mostly just Market in general. Their choice of Vehicles have very little to do with it.
nope, not at all.
it was a strategic decision to build as much capacity as they did. they could have stayed a medium player before and had appropriate capacity, but decided not to. pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. toyota is a hog.
Incorrect
Originally posted by: Cattlegod
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Cattlegod
Originally posted by: sandorski
Mostly just Market in general. Their choice of Vehicles have very little to do with it.
nope, not at all.
it was a strategic decision to build as much capacity as they did. they could have stayed a medium player before and had appropriate capacity, but decided not to. pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. toyota is a hog.
Incorrect
it is correct
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Cattlegod
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Cattlegod
Originally posted by: sandorski
Mostly just Market in general. Their choice of Vehicles have very little to do with it.
nope, not at all.
it was a strategic decision to build as much capacity as they did. they could have stayed a medium player before and had appropriate capacity, but decided not to. pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. toyota is a hog.
Incorrect
it is correct
It's the Economy. Read the damned article(s).
Originally posted by: Cattlegod
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Cattlegod
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Cattlegod
Originally posted by: sandorski
Mostly just Market in general. Their choice of Vehicles have very little to do with it.
nope, not at all.
it was a strategic decision to build as much capacity as they did. they could have stayed a medium player before and had appropriate capacity, but decided not to. pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. toyota is a hog.
Incorrect
it is correct
It's the Economy. Read the damned article(s).
The job of a firm strategy is to address the issues of the exterior environment. Toyota incorrectly did that. End of story.
Originally posted by: Cattlegod
The job of a firm strategy is to address the issues of the exterior environment. Toyota incorrectly did that. End of story.
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Cattlegod
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Cattlegod
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Cattlegod
Originally posted by: sandorski
Mostly just Market in general. Their choice of Vehicles have very little to do with it.
nope, not at all.
it was a strategic decision to build as much capacity as they did. they could have stayed a medium player before and had appropriate capacity, but decided not to. pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. toyota is a hog.
Incorrect
it is correct
It's the Economy. Read the damned article(s).
The job of a firm strategy is to address the issues of the exterior environment. Toyota incorrectly did that. End of story.
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