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Toyota enters Big 3 engine territory; move spurred by full-sized trucks


Looks like the Big 3 better get their act together. Cause their main profits comes from full size trucks...
 
they don't have anything to worry about in the full size truck arena for a while. Most of the people that buy full size trucks would never buy one from Toyota, at least not right away.
 
What kept me from buying the Tundra was not the V8 available in 2000, but the lack of space and smaller cargo bed.
 
Question about the 'two new full-size SUVs from Nissan'...are these going to be V8-powered Titan derivatives? Have they been shown at any recent auto shows? Will they be the new Pathfinder and QX5??
 
i forsee Nissan having a lot of rear axle issues in the future. Putting a Dana 44 behind 375lb-ft of torque 33" tires, and a locker is asking for trouble.
 
I've never really cared for trucks and SUVs but Toyota seems to make some nice ones.

All they need to do now is to build a V8 muscle car and I'll sell my left nut to buy it. 😀
 
Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
Question about the 'two new full-size SUVs from Nissan'...are these going to be V8-powered Titan derivatives? Have they been shown at any recent auto shows? Will they be the new Pathfinder and QX5??
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Yeah they are based of the Titan, and will be using massive 5.6L V8s. The Pathfinder Armada (the Nissan full size SUV) was shown at the New York auto show, while the Infinti hasn't been revealed yet.

EDIT: In the article they talked about "transplants", wat do they mean by that?
 
Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
Originally posted by: ElFenix
5.6L is massive?
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To me it is. Anything bigger than 3.6L is pretty big displacement to me, and means more $$ for gas.

transplants being foreign auto makes building cars in the US
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Oh ok.
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That's cause you're an import man. Domestics have been using big engines for a long, long time.
 
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
Originally posted by: ElFenix
5.6L is massive?
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To me it is. Anything bigger than 3.6L is pretty big displacement to me, and means more $$ for gas.

transplants being foreign auto makes building cars in the US
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Oh ok.
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That's cause you're an import man. Domestics have been using big engines for a long, long time.
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I know that. But we come from a place where 2L is considered massive and gas prices are extremely expensive. 🙂

Had my parents been brought up in the States during the 70s then they may have thought differently.
 
Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
"They fully recognize the threat now. But there's really nothing they can do about it."
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There's nothing to do...Toyota and Nissan will continue to barely sell 100,000 and the Big 3 can point and laugh at them.
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The domestics sat back and laughed in the early 80's when Japanese cars were rising. Now look at the domestics getting ass-r@ped from all fronts in that sector😉
 
Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
"They fully recognize the threat now. But there's really nothing they can do about it."
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There's nothing to do...Toyota and Nissan will continue to barely sell 100,000 and the Big 3 can point and laugh at them.
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EDIT: NFS4 basically said the same as me 😛

 
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
"They fully recognize the threat now. But there's really nothing they can do about it."
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There's nothing to do...Toyota and Nissan will continue to barely sell 100,000 and the Big 3 can point and laugh at them.
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The domestics sat back and laughed in the early 80's when Japanese cars were rising. Now look at the domestics getting ass-r@ped from all fronts in that sector😉
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Exactly!! All of you domestic guys should read the book on Chyrsler and Lee Iacocca. The book talked about how the Big Three sat back thinking the Japanese couldnt' build decent cars and then just watched them eat up their market share in a few years. Only now are the Domestic companies recovering and gaining ground with great new products (car-based).

History can repeat itself in the truck industry if they aren't careful.
 
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Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
"They fully recognize the threat now. But there's really nothing they can do about it."
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There's nothing to do...Toyota and Nissan will continue to barely sell 100,000 and the Big 3 can point and laugh at them.
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You can't really predict the future.
 
And another thing...the Japanase have only been in the "full-size" truck market since the '00 model year. They're still going through growing pains.

The Titan is the next logical step. The next-gen Tundra will be another big step. By the year 2010, we may see Tundras and Titans selling at a rate of about 250,000 to 300,000 a year. By 2015, we may see them at even higher levels.

The Big 3 won't be laughing then. They'll be too busy adding incentives to push their trucks out b/c once Americans get a taste of superior technology and quality, domestic brand loyalty goes out the door. It happened first with cars, then SUVS...full-size import trucks are next.
 
Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
"They fully recognize the threat now. But there's really nothing they can do about it."
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There's nothing to do...Toyota and Nissan will continue to barely sell 100,000 and the Big 3 can point and laugh at them.
Click to expand...

The domestics sat back and laughed in the early 80's when Japanese cars were rising. Now look at the domestics getting ass-r@ped from all fronts in that sector😉
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Exactly!! All of you domestic guys should read the book on Chyrsler and Lee Iacocca. The book talked about how the Big Three sat back thinking the Japanese couldnt' build decent cars and then just watched them eat up their market share in a few years. Only now are the Domestic companies recovering and gaining ground with great new products (car-based).

History can repeat itself in the truck industry if they aren't careful.
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Do you really see Nascar guy driving a Japanese truck regardless of the quality or superiority? The only change that will occur is all those rednecks will have to start buying the "Calvin pi$$ing on Toyota and Nissan" stickers for their back windows instead of the competing domestic mfger.

 
Toyota just announced earnings that make them bigger than the "Big Three" PUT TOGETHER!

They could literally buy and sell GM, Chrysler and Ford and a lot of industry analyists are amazed by it.

I think if Toyota put their minds into making a decent truck then the US automakers are in big trouble as that is the only market they really control right now.

Also, the Japanese automakers are probably getting into bigger engines (well, for them), because they have future plans to enter NASCAR.


 
"The domestics sat back and laughed in the early 80's when Japanese cars were rising. Now look at the domestics getting ass-r@ped from all fronts in that sector."

Apples and oranges. What econoboxes were the big three offering in the early '70's? The brass was thinking the same way I was, "Who the hell is going to want to give up a V8 cruiser for these wimp-mobiles?" They misjudged the fickle American consumer, who flocked to these weenie-mobiles in droves.

Can't say that about the full sized trucks, though. They're treading on our turf now, trying to build what we've been building for eons. I don't give a damn what Japan, Germany or Korea puts out there, so long as it's fulfilling the market for full size, full framed, V8 vehicles. That would mean our consumers finally came to their senses again!
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
"The domestics sat back and laughed in the early 80's when Japanese cars were rising. Now look at the domestics getting ass-r@ped from all fronts in that sector."

Apples and oranges. What econoboxes were the big three offering in the early '70's? The brass was thinking the same way I was, "Who the hell is going to want to give up a V8 cruiser for these wimp-mobiles?" They misjudged the fickle American consumer, who flocked to these weenie-mobiles in droves.

Can't say that about the full sized trucks, though. They're treading on our turf now, trying to build what we've been building for eons. I don't give a damn what Japan, Germany or Korea puts out there, so long as it's fulfilling the market for full size, full framed, V8 vehicles. That would mean our consumers finally came to their senses again!
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Thank you. Cars and trucks are two completely different markets. You have average schmuck family Joe Blow consumers buying cars. You do have a small percentage of those schmucks buying trucks as well, but the large majority wouldn't be caught dead in an import truck.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
"The domestics sat back and laughed in the early 80's when Japanese cars were rising. Now look at the domestics getting ass-r@ped from all fronts in that sector."

Apples and oranges. What econoboxes were the big three offering in the early '70's? The brass was thinking the same way I was, "Who the hell is going to want to give up a V8 cruiser for these wimp-mobiles?" They misjudged the fickle American consumer, who flocked to these weenie-mobiles in droves.
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The Big Three started offering the Vega & Pinto & and some other models in the 80s. They still lagged behind the Japanese. They were surprised how Toyota and Honda managed to put out new cars every 4 years when it took the Big Three almost 5 to 6 years to churn out new models. The average developing time for Toyota was considerably less than that of the Big Three while still maintaining high quality standards. The Big Three were so envious of the Japanese production techniques that they formed a research team to analyze them and report the info. I have posted a few lengthy posts regarding why the Big Three were lagging behind. No one responded to those so I didn't bother going in more detail. You can search for them and PM me about it. I'd love to discuss the causes of why the Big Three were suffering at that time. I find it to be an interesting topic. I'd do it here, but no one seems interested.

Can't say that about the full sized trucks, though. They're treading on our turf now, trying to build what we've been building for eons. I don't give a damn what Japan, Germany or Korea puts out there, so long as it's fulfilling the market for full size, full framed, V8 vehicles. That would mean our consumers finally came to their senses again!
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So what you trying to say is that the correct choice for consumers are large, inefficient, RWD V8 cars while FWD, V6, unibody cars can provide the same interior room (Altima is as big inside as the Crown Vic), more power than the V8 cars (Again, Maxima/Altima/Accord are more powerful than the Grand Marquis/Crown Vic), and reliability?

I really don't see why you think cars such as the Crown Vic and Caprice are superior to their Japanese counterparts and why the consumers of today should embrace them. Not everyone can afford the gas to fill up those beasts or the inpracticality of driving those cars on congested tiny streets and parking lots. Its fun watching those in full size cars trying to manuver and park in crowded lots (those in Scarborough who are familiar with Pacific Mall know what I am talking about). Its bad enough that the general drivers can't park Accords, I'd hate to see them park the Grand Marquis.

As for reliability, those that buy Accords & Camrys usually keep them for over 10 years and have to replace very little parts. My friend's 1988 Camry just rolled over the big 300k km mark and its still running smooth. He finally replaced the tie-rod connector piece whihc cost $30CDN and got it replaced in 10mins. He is still on his original CV boots/connector and pretty much everything except the battery/tires/brakes/fluids are original. So there goes your 'expensive to maintain' idea.

As for safety: I have two first hand experiences to account for the safety of these so-called tin cans. My family's 91 Corolla was rear-ended by a Ford F150 truck travelling at around 60km/h. We were untouched. Sure the rear end got crumpled, but nothing occured to the occupants (us). We got it fixed (yeah it was declared totalled, but we got it fixed for cheap and still used it since we couldn't afford another car at the time). Another story: My dad was driving the 240SX on the highway at fast speeds (~130km/h) , when he hit black ice, lost control and hit the guard rail. Then he swept across three lanes and hit the guardrail on the other side. He hit another car in the process too. Quite a horrific crash, the car looked like a mangle of metal. But you know what? The interior was untouched (apart from the airbag deploying and leaving that white powder stuff everywhere), and my dad walked away withouht any injuries..not even a cut or bruise. That's how safe these so called 'tin cars' are.

Btw wasn't your Lincoln or Grand Marquis (I forgot) declared totalled after it rear ended a Mustang at 15 mph?? And the Mustang was practically untouched you said. I'm not to make light of the acciden, but just saying that a large full-framed car like that got totalled in an accident that was fairly small.

 
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